New Product - Q5, SQ5 MkII CETE Air Suspension Controller...

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@SurfTek's SQ5 looking on point

[SpeedyFred]

I've seen that a lot of you installed the cete controler, but how is the ride quality compared to lowering links. Is there any difference other than the easy to use interface? Maybe more reliable in the long run?

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The ride quality does not change in the sense that neither lowering links or the air suspension controllers alter how the damper (shock) is controlled. When you go into dynamic the dampers are firmed up, comfort they are softened.

The huge selling point with the air suspension controller over the lowering links is that links only lower the same amount across every suspension mode. The air suspension controller allows you to pick the amount of lowering, or lifting, for each main suspension mode.

Example with an air suspension module:
Dynamic -22mm
Auto -30mm
Comfort +10mm

Lowering links would just roughly be the same lowering amount in every mode. The air suspension module gives you the full range of air suspension to work with and allows for exact lowering/lifting per mode as the user wants. The module remembers the settings so once you lock in what you like you never have to use the app again.

If you do want to use your app you can hit the Show Mode button and drop the car while parked by hitting one button. Another neat benefit of the air suspension controller.

In terms of reliability, suspension components that are subjected to being bottomed out from overlowing and smashing into terrible things like huge potholes are going to have issues. That can happen with lowering links or a controller. That's more user error than anything else.

If you have more questions don't hesitate to ask or shoot me an email: [email protected]

Cheers,

[SpeedyFred]

Thanks for clearing that up! I've been reading comments of people switching out from links to cete because the ride was getting to bouncy... So basically they've just lowered it to much?

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Thanks for clearing that up! I've been reading comments of people switching out from links to cete because the ride was getting to bouncy... So basically they've just lowered it to much?

Well could be that you've gone a bit low on the spectrum. There is a built in bumpstop inside of the air suspension and if you go low enough you can end up riding on that which gives a bouncy feel since it's rubber vs. using the air pressure inside of the bag to act like a spring.

The nice part about doing a CETE module would be that if you really want to have a specific type of ride but it be quite a bit lower you can do something sort of non intuitive:

Example of softer and lower:
Dynamic -10mm
Auto -25mm
Comfort -50mm

You can actually make the comfort suspension mode lower than the rest. You get a softer damper/shock setting and then use the app to set the module to lower the car more since comfort has a higher factory height setting. So you get a softer ride with the height you want.

That's what's nice about these modules is you can really use the full factory height range and play around with what combination of settings works for you specifically.

Cheers,

[SurfTek]

Thanks for clearing that up! I've been reading comments of people switching out from links to cete because the ride was getting to bouncy... So basically they've just lowered it to much?

In my experience when things get bouncy is when you are in comfort mode and you lower the car from stock settings. Comfort was very bouncy when you aggressively lower the car. Before the CETE, I would use comfort at times. Now I only use dynamic mode since I stay below stock heights. It dampens a lot of the bouncing. I do find myself changing settings fairly often. For example I have gone up 1mm 3 times in the last month in dynamic. At the height I have the car, just 1mm makes a noticeable difference in ride quality. 25% better for the first change, about an additional 15% better for the second change ect. Changing just 1mm with links (assuming they are adjustable) I imagine would be a pita. Audi charges a lot of coin for the air suspension. Mine as well use the instant height adjust-ability. Think that's why many sell their links and go CETE. I went for the CETE first, and it's a perfect mod for the stance vs. ride quality battle.

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When you take air out of an airbag it will inherently get softer. So the lower you go the softer the car will feel and without the control of the damper in dynamic the car can get a pretty uncomfortable ride, at least to me. Ride quality is a subjective thing, personally I like a firmer suspension even on a daily driver, but there are times it's nice to have the ability to put a car in comfort on horrible roads like we have here in the SF Bay Area but keep it dynamic when on the highway or smoother roads.

If I were setting up a lowered SQ5 my range of lowering would be:

Personal preference:
Dynamic -25 to 30mm
Auto -20 to 25mm
Comfort -15 to 20mm

I personally use my CETE module on our A8L to lift almost every setting lol

Cheers,

[pabs]

I've been talking to Nima@Nemesis who I ordered the CETE module through and he helped me resolve some connectivity issuers with the module today (tip: disconnect all your Bluetooth devices first from your phone before connecting to the CETE controller!).

I do have a question though: My car appears to be lower in dynamic drive mode despite being set to a more aggressive setting in the app. For example if I'm set at F:-30 R:-28 while in Dynamic profile/drive select, and -38/-36 when in Comfort profile/drive select I see my car raise itself when changing drive modes from Comfort to Dynamic (or lower itself when going Comfort -> Dynamic). From what the app shows this seems to imply the lowering is an offset from the stock heights AND that the stock dynamic height actually lower by default. This also means that the numbers shown aren't an absolute lowering as your "zero height" isn't the same in the modes.


While typing this post I did find this arstechnica article:

"Without the optional air suspension, the SQ5 sports 8.2 inches (208mm) of ride height, the same as the new Allroad. With air suspension, normal ride height is 1.2-in. (30mm) lower, at seven inches (178mm). The five-mode air suspension offers Comfort, Auto, Dynamic, Allroad, and Lift/Off-Road settings, each with its own ride height, through Drive Select.

As the most extreme, Lift/Off-Road mode raises the vehicle two additional inches (nine total inches of ground clearance) and descends to standard height at the threshold of 15mph (24kph). The Allroad setting provides 1.2 inches (30mm) greater lift. Comfort and Auto retain the normal ride height (seven inches, or 178mm). Finally, ride height lowers by 0.6 inches (15mm) in Dynamic mode. Meanwhile, adaptive dampers are standard, offering Comfort, Normal, and Sport settings, all also influenced by which air suspension mode is chosen."


This would mean my -30/-28 Dynamic (in app) is actually -45/-43 when compared to comfort/auto mode and would totally explain the behavior I'm seeing with the car seeming to raise itself. This also might explain some people experiencing a better ride in comfort if they are keeping their in app heights the same between modes as the car is actually sitting on more air in the springs.

I feel kind of dumb now after looking this over this info (and this post I'm still writing for some reason), but I just wanted to confirm that this was the case for the CETE modules height settings and put the info out there for anyone else. If this is NOT how it works...well then I'm pretty confused on how I botched my controller.

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The CETE module lowers from the factory ride height at each drive select mode. This means dynamic is lower than comfort from the factory, but you don't need to compare the height difference from comfort to dynamic, you are just lowering each mode independently.

Set dynamic mode with the car controls - Set your height the way you like it, don't focus on the numbers from comfort or any other mode, just focus on how you want the car to appear in dynamic mode.

Set auto mode with the car controls - Set your height the way you like it.

Set comfort mode mode with the car controls - Set your height the way you like it.

Each of those modes has a different ride height from the factory and you are lowering/raising from that point vs. overall lowering or lifting from another mode.

Cheers,

[pabs]

That's what I figured, thanks Alex for bringing this to the US market!

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That's what I figured, thanks Alex for bringing this to the US market!

You're very welcome! You'll enjoy the setup and over the first few weeks people tend to change the height a few mm here and there until it looks exactly what you like.

If you have other questions you can always PM or email: [email protected]

Cheers,

[Chris.green]

Can someone that has installed this them self DM me? I want to just talk a bit about the install process.

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Can someone that has installed this them self DM me? I want to just talk a bit about the install process.

If you have any questions do let me know here or via email: [email protected]

All kits sold through Europrice or authorized sellers receive instructions and support in English. Some other sources in NA or worldwide only can provide German instructions on some kits.

Cheers,

[Chris.green]

If you have any questions do let me know here or via email: [email protected]

All kits sold through Europrice or authorized sellers receive instructions and support in English. Some other sources in NA or worldwide only can provide German instructions on some kits.

Cheers,

Thanks! I haven’t purchased the system yet. I’m still deciding if I want to or not but I just wanted to see what the install process is like and if I can tackle this in my garage at home.

[itsmatt33]

Thanks! I haven’t purchased the system yet. I’m still deciding if I want to or not but I just wanted to see what the install process is like and if I can tackle this in my garage at home.

It is quite a bit of work I will say. I didnt install but was pretty involved in the process. Nothing that isnt manageable. def get it though worth every penny

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Thanks! I haven’t purchased the system yet. I’m still deciding if I want to or not but I just wanted to see what the install process is like and if I can tackle this in my garage at home.

If you have a way to lift the car front and rear, can be done separately, it's not all that hard. The front has a harness that runs to the two level sensors and then you mount a module underneath an underbody cover.

The rear is the same, harness and module. Then two wires are pushed up into the car through a factory grommet. Those wires tap into two CAN wires after removing a few interior trims. Then test and ensure that all is working so you can pop all the trims back into place.

If you are familiar with working under your car and pulling interior trims it's not all that bad. If you don't generally lift your car or pull interior trims it can seem a little daunting but if done slowly it's not too bad for a day project at home DIY.

Cheers,

[Bezlar]

Took me one hour on a lift and that was me going slow and zip tying things up real nice. I would doubt most techs would even notice the harness. It was about a 2 out 5 for hardness if install. Prob would have given it a 1 out of 5 but you do have to connect some wires. Best mod yet on my sq5.


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[S4MAXSPEED]

Hoping someone can answer this. Does the vehicle actually have to be on a lift/wheels off the ground for install, or can it be installed from in a pit and the wheels on the ground?

I've seen it reference a couple of times that the vehicle needs to be lifted. Then I read that it could be done one axle at time lifted. I have access to a pit and just wondered if I could do the install that way.

[Bezlar]

Hoping someone can answer this. Does the vehicle actually have to be on a lift/wheels off the ground for install, or can it be installed from in a pit and the wheels on the ground?

I've seen it reference a couple of times that the vehicle needs to be lifted. Then I read that it could be done one axle at time lifted. I have access to a pit and just wondered if I could do the install that way.

Pit is just fine. Wheels don’t need to be up.


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[subaruski]

Everybody posting pics slammed out on Cete...

Also took height range measurements. When I'm all the way aired out in show mode it's 29-1/4" Front & Rear and fully lifted it's 33-3/4" Rear & 33-1/2" Front. This is measuring from ground to bottom of fender well.

Curious to know if others see the same?

[1S32K16]

Everybody posting pics slammed out on Cete...

Also took height range measurements. When I'm all the way aired out in show mode it's 29-1/4" Front & Rear and fully lifted it's 33-3/4" Rear & 33-1/2" Front. This is measuring from ground to bottom of fender well.

Curious to know if others see the same?

Off Road Mode engaged. Would be a fun build with all terrain tires.

[Chris.green]

Everybody posting pics slammed out on Cete...

Also took height range measurements. When I'm all the way aired out in show mode it's 29-1/4" Front & Rear and fully lifted it's 33-3/4" Rear & 33-1/2" Front. This is measuring from ground to bottom of fender well.

Curious to know if others see the same?

This seems strange. With my links I’m at 29.5 all around and I have wheels gap, and it’s more then 1/4”. Looks at most people’s pics in show mode then don’t have wheels gap.

[pabs]

This seems strange. With my links I’m at 29.5 all around and I have wheels gap, and it’s more then 1/4”. Looks at most people’s pics in show mode then don’t have wheels gap.

See post 128. TLDR: Use dynamic mode (to get to lowest OEM height) then activate show mode.

[sandman00]

Thanks @alex your customer service is phenomenal, awesome product and easy to use


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Thanks @alex your customer service is phenomenal, awesome product and easy to use

You are very welcome! Always happy to help and glad you are enjoying the suspension controller, and your new tune

[Ornithology]

This looks awesome. Can you PM me on pricing and availibility?

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This looks awesome. Can you PM me on pricing and availibility?

These are in stock in the US now for a quick delivery via USPS Priority to Canada to avoid higher duty/taxes on it. You can always order with this link:

Controller Package | Q5, SQ5 Air Suspension

I will also PM you the same link and you can estimate shipping with the link above as well.

Cheers,

[Chris.green]

Any chance there will be a Black Friday sale for this? 😅

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Any chance there will be a Black Friday sale for this? 😅

Possibly... about the only time of year CETE authorizes any discounting

[Chris.green]

Possibly... about the only time of year CETE authorizes any discounting

Can you update the thread of there happens to be one? I’m pretty settled on getting the controller but IF there is going to be a sale i’ll just wait on it

[Intense4life]

Same here...holding out for a possible sale.

[bmock17]

I have read about having an alignment done after installing the CETE module. I had mine installed about 6 weeks ago. I drive mostly in dynamic and have mine lowered 28mm in the front and 25mm in the rear. I went yesterday to the dealership and had an alignment done and below are the results. The alignment was out a little bit nothing terrible. If I didn’t just have new tires installed I probably would have skipped the alignment.

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[subaruski]

What are your CETE settings in Dynamic Mode?

I have read about having an alignment done after installing the CETE module. I had mine installed about 6 weeks ago. I drive mostly in dynamic and have mine lowered 28mm in the front and 25mm in the rear. I went yesterday to the dealership and had an alignment done and below are the results. The alignment was out a little bit nothing terrible. If I didn’t just have new tires installed I probably would have skipped the alignment.

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[bmock17]

What are your CETE settings in Dynamic Mode?

28mm in the front and 25mm in the rear


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[Chris.green]

What heights and drive select do you guys mostly drive in? I’ve never taken my sq5 out of dynamic but I’m wondering if comfort is nice to ride in when still low?

[4-ring-sleepers]

What heights and drive select do you guys mostly drive in? I’ve never taken my sq5 out of dynamic but I’m wondering if comfort is nice to ride in when still low?

Comfort activates the active dampers so you get softest ride. With cete you can set comfort mode to lower than dynamic mode, and then use individual drive select to chose suspension "comfort" and all others dynamic! So you get best performance and best (softest) lowered height!

[Chris.green]

Comfort activates the active dampers so you get softest ride. With cete you can set comfort mode to lower than dynamic mode, and then use individual drive select to chose suspension "comfort" and all others dynamic! So you get best performance and best (softest) lowered height!

That’s what I figured. I’ll just have to play around with it

[Mops@Nemesis]

I ride at 50/44 in full Dynamic.

Comfort activates the active dampers so you get softest ride. With cete you can set comfort mode to lower than dynamic mode, and then use individual drive select to chose suspension "comfort" and all others dynamic! So you get best performance and best (softest) lowered height!

Definitely going to try this ASAP. You may have made my week Eric


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[4-ring-sleepers]

I ride at 50/44 in full Dynamic.



Definitely going to try this ASAP. You may have made my week Eric


Mops on the Move

just be carefull ride height. keep it modest at 30 and up for daily while in those custom settings or else you will risk throwing the suspension christmas tree lights. which is no issue. just beeps like crazy and lights up the virtual cockpit! quick engine cycle resets. it has to do with factory drive system functions pre-programmed and calibrated for certain heights and angles. Also i think i broke my rear axle (while drag racing. Ha!) at -48R and -50F !?! not much left on the suspension to support all the extra torque in the sub 45mm settings and when the weight shifts to the rear with 60% power to L/R depending on torque vector

[Chris.green]

just be carefull ride height. keep it modest at 30 and up for daily while in those custom settings or else you will risk throwing the suspension christmas tree lights. which is no issue. just beeps like crazy and lights up the virtual cockpit! quick engine cycle resets. it has to do with factory drive system functions pre-programmed and calibrated for certain heights and angles. Also i think i broke my rear axle (while drag racing. Ha!) at -48R and -50F !?! not much left on the suspension to support all the extra torque in the sub 45mm settings and when the weight shifts to the rear with 60% power to L/R depending on torque vector

Interesting..does this only happen when using individual? I’ve never heard anyone mention getting suspension faults before.