420HP in 2.0 TFSI A4 B8 (2013-15) IS20 VAG Hybrid CNCD Upgrade-Turbo PNP LM430

[AudiTFSIGen3]

Hi A4 B8 guys! When having the reliable 2.0 TFSI engine in your AUDI A4 B8 (Year 04/2013 - 08/2015) with 165KW (225HP) CNCD engine simply double the performance up to ca. 420HP by adding the PNP LM430 - the VAG Upgrade turbocharger - the first available IS20 Audi Hybrid on the world market. It is manufactured by Ladermanufaktur Germany, who uses the stable original stock housings to keep the original Audi look and all weak stock internals are removed !!! and the famous TD05+ Racing Premium basic unit is used instead. They combine it with a bigger & lighter HighFlow compressor wheel for impressively broad torque range (2500 - 7200 rpm) and a new & highly efficient exhaust wheel for very early turbo spooling. The combined development is called OptiRate technology and has worked in the PNP LM440, PNP LM500, PNP LM6XX, etc. very successfully so far making tuners happy for its stability, extraordinary performance and reliability. When buying a hybrid - generally make sure you invest in a stable basic unit because the most other turbo builders just re-use the old weak IHI core or use Chinese copies to make fast money but the weak basic units have been responsible for thousands of blown IS38 and IS20 turbochargers worldwide (see all forums). When buying, always keep an eye on a very stable core/basic unit (TD05+, etc.) and very early turbo spooling.
Ask your personal tuners first for hardware needed like a downpipe, etc. to get 420HP. Your tuner who gives the software tune also programs your DSG/S-Tronic, which is able to keep 600NM torque perfectly nowadays with modern software.

Here a video of the LM440 IS20 (Cupra) which has exactly the SAME technology (TD05+, dynamic hiflow wheels, etc.) as the LM430 AUDI:



Here some more specs and technical details and the photos of the AUDI IS20 PNP LM430:

LM430 Upgradeturbo August 2018.jpg

LM430_by_PNP Germany.jpg

[A4 Centaur]

Thanks for posting!

https://kolbenkraft-tuning.com/

I this the same set-up you have described? Wondering which tune you used for this?

[Perry01]

Why not go with an IS38 hybrid instead?

[AudiTFSIGen3]

Why not go with an IS38 hybrid instead?

Good question!
The normal IS38 from Golf MK7 does not fit AUDI longitudinal engines in A4, A5, A6, A7 and needs extremely big (and expensive) modifications - See the picture of a modified IS38 - Picture 1 - to make it fit AUDI longitudinal models.
They work also well!!! (see dyno above, but they collapse after 6500rpm - as usual and have weak IHI stock basic unit/core/bearing). Effort is high and AUDI stock look is lost. That is why tuners look for an upgraded plug&play IS20 (see picture 2).

[AudiTFSIGen3]

[SILVERBACK004]

Will this work on my Audi A4 2016 B8.5 (E85 compatible)?

[AUDIMAN33]

E85 compatible?

[whats77inaname]

Hmmmmmmmm....this is interesting....but $2600+ shipping, and you have to get it tuned, as a tune isn't provided.....

[A4Qwattro]

Hmmmmmmmm....this is interesting....but $2600+ shipping, and you have to get it tuned, as a tune isn't provided.....

To be fair, compare this to the price of an S4 of that gen and the price difference more than swallows this upgrade. Assuming the reliability of the motor and any other hardware needed (intercoolers, etc), then you can get a car that is almost 300lbs lighter than an S4 with more than enough power to have fun, and better weight distribution to boot.

[Nano909]

Interesting.

[AudiTFSIGen3]

Hi! The LM upgrade chargers also play together with E85 very well like a lovely married couple.
There are lots of experiences on the net.

[AudiTFSIGen3]

An AUDI A4 / A5 B8.5 or B9 with Stage 2 is good (300 HP).
I even had an IS38 with Stage 2 (360 HP) and after that the LM440 IS20 installed - there are Woooorlds between them.
That car with an LM440 or LM430 is a totally different car (space shuttle).
And I had a reliable turbo with a stable basic unit / core and NOT the stock IS20/IS38 charger with its original IHI basic unit/core which can be a TIME BOMB when tuned (Stage 1 or 2)
Check all videos on the net - showing acceleration 0-60 / 0-130 / 100-300 to see what the 2.0 TFSI Gen.3 can provide.
You need a downpipe and a tune - exactly what the competent and nice member 'whats77inaname' has very precisely expressed.

[19birel]

Just to clarify, is this for use on A4's equipped with the EA888 Gen 3 engine?

Because here in North America, we only got the B8.5 with the Gen 2 engine, even in the later 2015 & 2016 model years, so I'm not sure this is applicable to the vast majority of us. Still very cool though!

[whats77inaname]

To be fair, compare this to the price of an S4 of that gen and the price difference more than swallows this upgrade. Assuming the reliability of the motor and any other hardware needed (intercoolers, etc), then you can get a car that is almost 300lbs lighter than an S4 with more than enough power to have fun, and better weight distribution to boot.

The reason I picked up the A4 instead of the S4, besides the weight difference, is that the difference in premiums would allow me to execute a small build. So I completely agree with that. But it still doesn't negate that this is rather $$$. I'd be really interested in seeing 1/4 mile times. And I'd be a lot more receptive to this particular option if a canned tune was available to maximize the potential of the setup. You can assemble all the hardware in the world, but if the tune is crappy, the possibility for failure isn't minimal. And this seems like it would require a custom tune.

It is still intriguing, nonetheless.

[Perry01]

...here in North America, we only got the B8.5 with the Gen 2 engine, even in the later 2015 & 2016 model years, so I'm not sure this is applicable to the vast majority of us.

I’ve never heard of an IS20 or IS38 being installed on a EA888 Gen 2 motor. I think the OP may be confused. All of the literature I’ve seen posted in this thread point to the Gen 3 motor.

[19birel]

I’ve never heard of an IS20 or IS38 being installed on a EA888 Gen 2 motor. I think the OP may be confused. All of the literature I’ve seen posted in this thread point to the Gen 3 motor.

From what I understood he was referring to the Gen 3 motor, but only European market B8.5s received the Gen 3 (2014&2015 model years I think).

Seeing as everyone who has posted here expressing interest in the setup is from North America, I think they are confused (not op) as they all have North American-spec cars with Gen 2 motors that aren't compatible with this turbo. A very small amount of people on the B8 forum will be able actually run this setup.

[A4 Centaur]

Guess someone needs to swap in a Gen 3 then. I'm still on the fence for a 2018+ Allroad. Just not sure I want that interior with the iPad looking dash and the Ultra-Quattro, which could be a real weak link.

[AudiTFSIGen3]

Hi guys, this IS20 AUDI upgrade turbocharger fits Audi A4 B8/B.8.5 with newer 2.0 TFSI Gen.3 (2013-2015) with the same turbocharger. Just compare if you have exactly this turbo. Because some nice countries have other specifics than the European Audi models.

430+ PS power + Original IS20 AUDI LOOK + Racing premium stability.
Same technology as in PNP LM440. Buyable: www.kolbenkraft-tuning.com.
Made in Germany. Produced by Ladermanufaktur.de

[qmulus]

Not applicable to North America unfortunately.

[MattRS6]

What kind of HP can the auto transmission handle? Highly doubt this would work with an auto correct?

[qmulus]

Do you make anything for the EA888 gen 2 for our B8 and B8.5 in North American?

[AudiTFSIGen3]

The Audi B8.5 (Gen.3) has DL501 G2 Gearbox which handles 600 NM without software modification and with software modification is keeps 800 NM Torque.
The B9 has DL382 which only handles 500 NM without software modification.

[AudiTFSIGen3]

Available e.g. here: https://kolbenkraft-tuning.com/produ...v=3a52f3c22ed6

[Mars2]

This how a Audi B8 turbo look like:
https://tteglobal.com/audi/a4/b8-2.0...e-turbocharger
So you can see that your turbo form B9 and B8.5 (Europe) has no way to fit.
Audi B8 world wide and B8.5 USA have EA888 Gen 2 not he GEN3.

[SteveVAG]

Digging up an old thread here but i had no idea that in the US you didnt get Gen3 motors in A5's thats sucks.
I'm in Australia and have a gen3 in my 2014 A5 but no way i'd pay this much money for a is20 turbo. The IS38 needs minor modification on the downpipe to fit so this turbo is way overpriced!! You could get a IS38 hybrid for this much.

[Nano909]

Digging up an old thread here but i had no idea that in the US you didnt get Gen3 motors in A5's thats sucks.
I'm in Australia and have a gen3 in my 2014 A5 but no way i'd pay this much money for a is20 turbo. The IS38 needs minor modification on the downpipe to fit so this turbo is way overpriced!! You could get a IS38 hybrid for this much.

Yep, we weren't blessed with the best imports.

[Traptalk]

It’s cool but this will only work on mqb platforms not the ea888.2 most of us have

[SteveVAG]

So do all b8.5 A4 and A5 have the Gen 2 motors which had the oil consumption issues?

Yep, we weren't blessed with the best imports.

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[Nano909]

So do all b8.5 A4 and A5 have the Gen 2 motors which had the oil consumption issues?

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Yes. Although the B8.5 models have updated parts, so they're less likely to have burning oil and timing issues.

[Traptalk]

If you guys decide to make a hybrid based on the oem ihi or k04’s that we can run definitely post it here tho

[Theiceman]

Yes. Although the B8.5 models have updated parts, so they're less likely to have burning oil and timing issues.

Although it has updated tensioner and pcv
It still has b8 ring design and chain.
It is susceptable to chain stretch and oil burning.

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