Poll: Is the B7 the biggest piece of shit care ever made?

[rhfosu]

Answer: Yes.

I love my B7. I pour my heart and soul and much of my spare cash into keeping her looking good and running perfect, but she just doesn't love me back.

Since January of last year, I have been chasing down and fixing issues one after another, beginning with my APR K04 blowing up. That lead to a number of expensive repairs, which lead to upgrades, which lead to $4300 in paint (since it looked like I'll be keeping this car for longer than I thought to get my money back). Oil and coolant leaks and CELs and on and on and on. One by one, I have fixed them all and barely uttered a complaint. Cost of ownership I tell myself. You knew it was a 10 year old modified Audi when you bought it, I tell myself. Along the way I have met some good dudes on on this forum...guys that have helped me out with time and parts and elbow grease. I can't thank those guys enough.

Aside from the mechanical issues, I had one very VERY annoying problem...after a very big storm early this summer, I had water...2 gallons of it...in my passenger footwells (front and rear). I sucked it all out, ripped out my seats, tore up the carpet, and dried it out with a hair dryer for 3 days. This lead to checking all kinds of shit for the source, the condenser drains, all the sunroof drains, the drains in the battery tray...every possible entry point for water. Having checked and cleaned everything, finally, the car was dry and stayed dry. Shortly after that, the fucking headliner started sagging. So, I replaced the headliner and the carpet. Then, I was good to go for months.

We got a shit ton of rain this weekend...all day saturday and most of sunday, still, I didn't think much of it.

I come out to my car after work this PM, and all my windows are fogged. Curious and troubling.

I look in the rear passenger footwell, and sure enough, there was enough goddamn water to submerge my all weather floor mat. Driving home with the radio off, I could hear it sloshing around every time I made a turn. I ripped out all the seats, tore up the carpet and sucked out 7-8 gallons of fucking water. 7-8 GALLONS. There was even 16oz or so under the bench on the passenger side and the cushion was soaked. Rear passenger seatbelt is dry, headliner and pillars are dry. Oddly enough, rear driver seatbelt is damp, and there is a little water in that footwell, but by far the most water was on the passenger side.

I have been messing with it all night. The carpet is propped up front to back on both sides with pieces of 2x4 and the hair dryer is running, again.

I checked the battery tray, clear as a whistle. It better have been, i literally ripped out the drain grommets.

Tomorrow I check the rear sunroof drains. I will have to take off work...again...as I have at least a dozen times since I bought this car...because I can't drive it and I have to spend all day working on it. However, all of these drains were clean 4 months ago. I refuse to believe they are clogged, and I find it impossible to believe that, even if they were, 7-8 gallons of water could get in through the gap around the edge of the sunroof glass.

I love this car, but I can't take much more. I've never owned a car that has given me this much trouble with only 86k miles on it. And that includes 5 previous Volkswagens.

Thanks for reading. Any alternative theories on where the water is coming from would be appreciated.

[Gosser]

Have you checked/removed the bottom half of the ecu tray? And remove the bottom of the cabin filter to see if the seal is still there.

[Audibot]

Hey man, sorry to hear that! I went through that once before. Was the rear sunroof drain on the passenger side. Had to use clear silicone to reattach the tube to the tray. Never had a leak again.

W.r.t worst pos car ever, well, I believe the C5 allroad still takes the cake.

[Theiceman]

Hey man, sorry to hear that! I went through that once before. Was the rear sunroof drain on the passenger side. Had to use clear silicone to reattach the tube to the tray. Never had a leak again.

W.r.t worst pos car ever, well, I believe the C5 allroad still takes the cake.

hard to beat the B8 with the engine terminating tensioner issues and oil consumption issues that require a new engine or tearing down to the block.....



ask me how I know.... I love my B7

[rhfosu]

Hey man, sorry to hear that! I went through that once before. Was the rear sunroof drain on the passenger side. Had to use clear silicone to reattach the tube to the tray. Never had a leak again.

W.r.t worst pos car ever, well, I believe the C5 allroad still takes the cake.

I went through this this summer already lol. Those lines were all clear, though now I'm wondering if the tube popped off. I still can't believe the sheer volume of water, man.

[Audibot]

Ouch! On the 2.7T, there's always the cam chain tensioner, leaking valve covers, two turbos that like to fail, EGTs (unless you code them out), exploding clutch fans, with the allroad on top for its shitty air suspension. Not to mention random check engine lights for most people, fading/faded cluster display, buttons peeling off.

Car's a maintenance queen--but if you're on top of it, so much fun to drive!

[Audibot]

I went through this this summer already lol. Those lines were all clear, though now I'm wondering if the tube popped off. I still can't believe the sheer volume of water, man.

I didn't know at first--there was just water in the footwell. A later time I saw the wet spot on the headliner When I took it off, it had popped off and would not stay secured by itself. Cheap easy fix. Hoping it will be for you too.

[Charles.waite]

hard to beat the B8 with the engine terminating tensioner issues and oil consumption issues that require a new engine or tearing down to the block.....



ask me how I know.... I love my B7

Lulz. You and me both. I love that VAG can't design a timing chain system that lasts for more than 65k miles. At least I caught mine early.

And now I get to focus on my b7 engine replacement. I love 2.0ts...

[dalmation53]

Haha damn. B7s require a shit load. Of maintenance but i have 176k on mine and still working flawlessly. I guess your car is just and ungrateful pos. I would sell it and get another car.

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[Quattro 4 Life]

I have no tips but I feel your pain. Water intrusion was a never ending battle with my wife’s old Passat (no sunroof!) and had to rip the car apart multiple times but finally got it.

Good luck (seriously) and test literally as much as possible before you reassemble. But I’m sure you know that.

[hvcceducator]

flawlessly? you mean full of flaws

Haha damn. B7s require a shit load. Of maintenance but i have 176k on mine and still working flawlessly. I guess your car is just and ungrateful pos. I would sell it and get another car.

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[dalmation53]

flawlessly? you mean full of flaws

Nope flawlessly

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[EvolutionArmory]

Ever made, no. That honor probably goes to any of the British cars made in the 70’s and 80’s.

Our motor isn’t even the least reliable motor Audi made.

[rhfosu]

I have no tips but I feel your pain. Water intrusion was a never ending battle with my wife’s old Passat (no sunroof!) and had to rip the car apart multiple times but finally got it.

Good luck (seriously) and test literally as much as possible before you reassemble. But I’m sure you know that.

Where was it coming in?

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[Theiceman]

what I like about this thread is we can still laugh about it , lol

true enthusiasts

[Quattro 4 Life]

Where was it coming in?

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Somewhere between the driver windshield cowling and behind the wheel well liner. I covered everything I could in some type of plastic sealant and that did it.

Sold the car like a month later!

[rhfosu]

Somewhere between the driver windshield cowling and behind the wheel well liner. I covered everything I could in some type of plastic sealant and that did it.

Sold the car like a month later!

I really think I have a similar issue. We'll see I guess. Definitely coming in the rear. but with a dry trunk and headliner, I can't imagine from where. Especially 8 fucking gallons of it.

[hvcceducator]

the funny part is atleast you bought it used! imagine paying full price for these pieces of garbage. and the failing cam follower that costs a new camshaft (atleast mine was covered under warrenty)

[wootwoot]

No, it's not a piece of shit. You didn't do your homework and bought a 10 year old car that was heavily modified. It sounds like the seller knew the car was jacked up and you bought their problem. Maybe on the next used car you buy you'll perform more due diligence and ensure the car is working properly before making the purchase.

[rhfosu]

No, it's not a piece of shit. You didn't do your homework on common issues, bought a 10 year old car, and started modding it by swapping out the turbo. That's pretty extreme for any car. But irrespective of that your issue is related to a water leak. Have you had a shop look into it? It sounds like the seller knew the car was jacked up and you bought their problem. Maybe on the next used car you buy you'll perform more due diligence and ensure the car is working properly before dumping thousands of dollars into modifications.

I bought the car from an engineer at APR, and AZ member, who owned the car 7 years. He did all the engine modifications and tuning, and the car was pretty well sorted when I bought it. VAG scan showed 0 codes, dude had complete maintenance records for me, and I drove it back from Alabama myself without any issues. I did plenty of homework on "common issues", including owning a 2007 GTI WITH THE SAME MOTOR running a K04 setup for 6 years. I know exactly how to maintain this engine and what to look for when buying. I knew what I was getting into, but that still didn't prepare me for the past year. Granted, the APR K04 letting go is not Audi's fault (although, I believe now that it let go from excess oil due to a cracked valve cover at 80k miles, which I do blame Audi for), but the 8 gallons of water in the backseat? I'm not so inclined to give them a pass. And yeah, I keep the sunroof drains clean. Thanks for calling me out, tho. If there was more due diligence I could have done, please let me know.

[Ashtonts]

It’s a 10 year old car is the main point here though. Completely uncalled for for him to slam you about the rest of that, but that one point is pretty true: with that age, annoyances start popping up no matter how well-made the car once was.

B7’s are definitely a pain in the ass. But I still love mine

[rhfosu]

It’s a 10 year old car is the main point here though. Completely uncalled for for him to slam you about the rest of that, but that one point is pretty true: with that age, annoyances start popping up no matter how well-made the car once was.

B7’s are definitely a pain in the ass. But I still love mine

I'm fine with most of the PITA aspects. The mechanical ones, anyway. I expected that, and I have some skills, and access to resources, to deal with it. I wasn't expecting the turbo to blow, or the AC compressor to crap out, in the first 6 months anyway, but oh well. The water is what's driving me nuts. You clear all the drains for the sunroof and the battery tray, and what's left? I thought I had this sorted this summer...spent significant time and energy making sure it was sorted...and now I'm not just finding SOME water, I'm finding 8 gallons. I'm just at the end of my rope. I can't go more than a few weeks without a new problem. Not sure what else to do. I guess i pull all the trim and drop the headliner and give it a bath and look for entry points. I've just had that interior apart 3 times in 12 months. I'm not excited to do it again, lol.

[Kolbenringe]

I dunno, I bought a CPO B8 A4 with 28k miles. The warranty paid out over 10k in repairs in the year I had it. I did other stuff the warranty wouldn't cover until there was an issue like the 3 other coils, or the oil separator.

I just did the timing chain tensioner. It's been pretty ok, but now the oil consumption is rising. It's annoying having to carry a gallon of oil on long trips when in my old car, if I had oil, ok, if not, nbd, nothing would happen. By the time I was done with my 300k mile 200TQ, it was consuming only maybe 1 qt every 6k miles. My m111 w203 C200k was consuming close to nothing over 7,000 miles.

Then comes the 320mm front rotors, resolved by changing to s4 front brakes, but there's tons of red tape in doing that in Germany.

Then comes the annoying shit, like when I only want the seat heaters on and not -3c air blowing out of a just-started car, nope, seat heaters turn the air on automatically.

Or the bullshit like the "as long as you are in that area" repairs, where you only need to or want to change one thing, but 45 other items there might blow up, so you have to replace them with revision #81. Those things are the waterpump, intake manifold, camshaft bridge, rear main, oil separator, carbon cleaning without end (though I am so far ok, since we do mostly high-speed driving at distances here). It's been relatively ok since all the repairs were taken care of under warranty, but who knows what will come next. IMO, these are cars only for warranty periods and you should be acquainted with having loaners.

I used to be all in with Audi since the end of the 80s, broke away in 2008, came back in 2017, and will never, ever do this again. The problem is the auto industry basically sucks across the board, the ones that suck the most truly suck. The Audis look and feel great until you do such things as look at the engine and it explodes right in front of you, or the transmission dies and kills you, or your under-dimensioned brakes warp and don't stop you because they outfitted the cars by category class norms and volume, not mass.

B8.5 owners have some engine issues sorted, but not all, particularly S4 people, and then the rest of the car falls apart just the same.

[Gosser]

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...ng-sealing-DIY

[rhfosu]

https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...ng-sealing-DIY

I'll check that out, though I don't have any issues with water on the driver side.

[Snert]

So sell it and get something else. Why hate on the car and Audi community if you don't like? Find something you like and run with it.

[rhfosu]

So sell it and get something else. Why hate on the car and Audi community if you don't like? Find something you like and run with it.

Did you even read my post? I'm not hating on the community. I read yours though, you should DEFINITELY find something else.

[Charles.waite]

I dunno, I bought a CPO B8 A4 with 28k miles. The warranty paid out over 10k in repairs in the year I had it. I did other stuff the warranty wouldn't cover until there was an issue like the 3 other coils, or the oil separator.

I just did the timing chain tensioner. It's been pretty ok, but now the oil consumption is rising. It's annoying having to carry a gallon of oil on long trips when in my old car, if I had oil, ok, if not, nbd, nothing would happen. By the time I was done with my 300k mile 200TQ, it was consuming only maybe 1 qt every 6k miles. My m111 w203 C200k was consuming close to nothing over 7,000 miles.

Then comes the 320mm front rotors, resolved by changing to s4 front brakes, but there's tons of red tape in doing that in Germany.

Then comes the annoying shit, like when I only want the seat heaters on and not -3c air blowing out of a just-started car, nope, seat heaters turn the air on automatically.

Or the bullshit like the "as long as you are in that area" repairs, where you only need to or want to change one thing, but 45 other items there might blow up, so you have to replace them with revision #81. Those things are the waterpump, intake manifold, camshaft bridge, rear main, oil separator, carbon cleaning without end (though I am so far ok, since we do mostly high-speed driving at distances here). It's been relatively ok since all the repairs were taken care of under warranty, but who knows what will come next. IMO, these are cars only for warranty periods and you should be acquainted with having loaners.

I used to be all in with Audi since the end of the 80s, broke away in 2008, came back in 2017, and will never, ever do this again. The problem is the auto industry basically sucks across the board, the ones that suck the most truly suck. The Audis look and feel great until you do such things as look at the engine and it explodes right in front of you, or the transmission dies and kills you, or your under-dimensioned brakes warp and don't stop you because they outfitted the cars by category class norms and volume, not mass.

B8.5 owners have some engine issues sorted, but not all, particularly S4 people, and then the rest of the car falls apart just the same.

Sounds like you got a bad one. I’ve had one issue with my 2012 Q5. Admittedly it’s a big one, I had to replace the timing chains, guides, and tensioners to the tune of $1200 just in parts. It wasn’t a horrible job but it took a while. And the panoramic sunroof is developing the common creak. But otherwise absolutely nothing aside from wear items and maintenance over the past few years with that car. The brakes are perfectly fine at the 320mm size, so not sure what you’re on about there. Cheap rotors or pads will give you problems, as will unmaintained calipers. You have to clean and grease the slide pins when you service them, and replace the fluid every 5 or so years.

However that car has been a trooper. Got it with CPO just in case and literally didn’t use the warranty once.

My b7 has been mixed, with a cam/HPFP failure a month after I bought it but it’s soldiered on with little to no major issues since that repair, so 45k miles over 6 years. Of course I’m prepping a new engine so I can give it a full refresh and not deal with the downtime of rebuilding the engine that’s in the car.

So yea Audi’s require maintenance. Point is though, some have been neglected, used cars are always a gamble, unless you personally know the previous owner and their maintenance habits, it’s likely you’re going to have to deal with some neglect. Audi’s don’t tolerate neglect well at all, so if you want an appliance, get a Subaru or a Honda and never think about them again. My guess is the other German brands are going to be just as bad as Audi from an appliance standpoint.

[Snert]

Sounds like you got a bad one. I’ve had one issue with my 2012 Q5. Admittedly it’s a big one, I had to replace the timing chains, guides, and tensioners to the tune of $1200 just in parts. It wasn’t a horrible job but it took a while. And the panoramic sunroof is developing the common creak. But otherwise absolutely nothing aside from wear items and maintenance over the past few years with that car. The brakes are perfectly fine at the 320mm size, so not sure what you’re on about there. Cheap rotors or pads will give you problems, as will unmaintained calipers. You have to clean and grease the slide pins when you service them, and replace the fluid every 5 or so years.

However that car has been a trooper. Got it with CPO just in case and literally didn’t use the warranty once.

My b7 has been mixed, with a cam/HPFP failure a month after I bought it but it’s soldiered on with little to no major issues since that repair, so 45k miles over 6 years. Of course I’m prepping a new engine so I can give it a full refresh and not deal with the downtime of rebuilding the engine that’s in the car.

So yea Audi’s require maintenance. Point is though, some have been neglected, used cars are always a gamble, unless you personally know the previous owner and their maintenance habits, it’s likely you’re going to have to deal with some neglect. Audi’s don’t tolerate neglect well at all, so if you want an appliance, get a Subaru or a Honda and never think about them again. My guess is the other German brands are going to be just as bad as Audi from an appliance standpoint.

I found out last night my car spend most its life in Downtown New York, no sure which district but that right there tells me anything could have happened to it. You don't buy these cars to be cheap and carefree dailies. We buy them because we love them.

[Kolbenringe]

Sounds like you got a bad one. I’ve had one issue with my 2012 Q5. Admittedly it’s a big one, I had to replace the timing chains, guides, and tensioners to the tune of $1200 just in parts. It wasn’t a horrible job but it took a while. And the panoramic sunroof is developing the common creak. But otherwise absolutely nothing aside from wear items and maintenance over the past few years with that car. The brakes are perfectly fine at the 320mm size, so not sure what you’re on about there. Cheap rotors or pads will give you problems, as will unmaintained calipers. You have to clean and grease the slide pins when you service them, and replace the fluid every 5 or so years.

However that car has been a trooper. Got it with CPO just in case and literally didn’t use the warranty once.

My b7 has been mixed, with a cam/HPFP failure a month after I bought it but it’s soldiered on with little to no major issues since that repair, so 45k miles over 6 years. Of course I’m prepping a new engine so I can give it a full refresh and not deal with the downtime of rebuilding the engine that’s in the car.

So yea Audi’s require maintenance. Point is though, some have been neglected, used cars are always a gamble, unless you personally know the previous owner and their maintenance habits, it’s likely you’re going to have to deal with some neglect. Audi’s don’t tolerate neglect well at all, so if you want an appliance, get a Subaru or a Honda and never think about them again. My guess is the other German brands are going to be just as bad as Audi from an appliance standpoint.

I didn't get a bad one. I got one of the many, many bad ones. I realky wished you had asked before you stated, to find out whst the issues were.
.
-well known drive range sensor failure in the stronic
-oil pan leaks
Combiginstrument panel, also well-known
-coil cylinder #3

After we bought the csr, which was refurbished in Ingolstadt prior to sale and had repairs carried out, we bought the car and literally had a failure every two weeks. The stronic couldn't be repaired for six, and in thst time, we had the failure of power transfer that has been implicated in at least one death in Australia.

All of these are well-known problems, not one off issues, like you are pretending. Then everyone in Germany now basically makes fun of the "stupid Americans" when we (and I'm American, btw) read the US forums and see how ypu guys xefend automakers that even nationalists here can't defend anymore. The companies are ripping us off badly.

And you can't keep defending the Audi lie of "oh, only about 15% each of these 45 parts were made wrong" excuse. Those are lots of parts to fail. Just ask the ones who have had camshaft and cam follower failures.

The company is brutally corrupt and lying. In the rest of the world, you at least have consumer rights while in Germany, the CSU party has been protecting them.

Let's not get started about the 45 timing chain tensioner revisions, or is that an exceptional case of cgetting a bad one"?

And the worst part is in Germany, the best cars from outside companies, including Toyota, are not imported here. At least Kia brought the Stinger GT over, and from the various reports, it seems to be ok, but at this point, even pretty unreliable cars are more reliable than audi.

Btw, Audi told me directly the csrs sre only designed for 60k KILOMETERS now before major Instandsetzungen (overhauls) are required. That's why when we complained about our car, thry said right after we bought it at 45k km "it's 15k near to the end of its life".

How much can we misinform others and apologize for corrupt corporations with outsmright conspiracies under their belts?

[Charles.waite]

Lolwut? So you’re bad experience overrules my good experience? Alright buddy.

Seems to me that cancel each other out. Sorry your car is a basket case but my point was the vast majority aren’t like that. I couldn’t care less about Audi as a corporation. I don’t really like any of their newer cars, especially since manuals are now dead. My car is a AWD Wagon with a 6MT that is reasonable efficient and tunable, and has a nice interior and subtle exterior styling. Those were my criteria and pretty much the only car makerS that make that is Audi and BMW. I prefer Quattro to xDrive and Audi’s interiors are far superior therefore the decision was made.

My wife likes her Q5 to death for similar reasons. We’re not married to Audi, I don’t have a personal stake in the company’s success. I simply like the product they produce and am reasonably mechanically inclined to fix the mechanical shortcomings they tends to engineer into the cars.

Sorry you’ve had such a bad shake but maybe slow your roll, man.

[Snert]

I didn't get a bad one. I got one of the many, many bad ones. I realky wished you had asked before you stated, to find out whst the issues were.
.
-well known drive range sensor failure in the stronic
-oil pan leaks
Combiginstrument panel, also well-known
-coil cylinder #3

After we bought the csr, which was refurbished in Ingolstadt prior to sale and had repairs carried out, we bought the car and literally had a failure every two weeks. The stronic couldn't be repaired for six, and in thst time, we had the failure of power transfer that has been implicated in at least one death in Australia.

All of these are well-known problems, not one off issues, like you are pretending. Then everyone in Germany now basically makes fun of the "stupid Americans" when we (and I'm American, btw) read the US forums and see how ypu guys xefend automakers that even nationalists here can't defend anymore. The companies are ripping us off badly.

And you can't keep defending the Audi lie of "oh, only about 15% each of these 45 parts were made wrong" excuse. Those are lots of parts to fail. Just ask the ones who have had camshaft and cam follower failures.

The company is brutally corrupt and lying. In the rest of the world, you at least have consumer rights while in Germany, the CSU party has been protecting them.

Let's not get started about the 45 timing chain tensioner revisions, or is that an exceptional case of cgetting a bad one"?

And the worst part is in Germany, the best cars from outside companies, including Toyota, are not imported here. At least Kia brought the Stinger GT over, and from the various reports, it seems to be ok, but at this point, even pretty unreliable cars are more reliable than audi.

Btw, Audi told me directly the csrs sre only designed for 60k KILOMETERS now before major Instandsetzungen (overhauls) are required. That's why when we complained about our car, thry said right after we bought it at 45k km "it's 15k near to the end of its life".

How much can we misinform others and apologize for corrupt corporations with outsmright conspiracies under their belts?

Dude clearly you're not an Audi fan. Sell it and move on. We love em, not going to change that with your craptastic attitude.

[Kolbenringe]

Lolwut? So you’re bad experience overrules my good experience? Alright buddy.

Seems to me that cancel each other out. Sorry your car is a basket case but my point was the vast majority aren’t like that. I couldn’t care less about Audi as a corporation. I don’t really like any of their newer cars, especially since manuals are now dead. My car is a AWD Wagon with a 6MT that is reasonable efficient and tunable, and has a nice interior and subtle exterior styling. Those were my criteria and pretty much the only car makerS that make that is Audi and BMW. I prefer Quattro to xDrive and Audi’s interiors are far superior therefore the decision was made.

My wife likes her Q5 to death for similar reasons. We’re not married to Audi, I don’t have a personal stake in the company’s success. I simply like the product they produce and am reasonably mechanically inclined to fix the mechanical shortcomings they tends to engineer into the cars.

Sorry you’ve had such a bad shake but maybe slow your roll, man.

My one bad experience? Aren't there hundreds of thousands of illegal cars they put out? Germany can't even figure it out. My experience isn't the only one. If you put weight on forums, go to any German Audi forum and see what the A4 Freunde are saying, for instance. The fans have had enough. We can't defend the company anymore and can't be apologists anymore. There's a reason why there are class action suits all over the place. Or did you not get that memo?

How much is Audi VW paying out for the tining chain tensioner fiasco?

[Kolbenringe]

Dude clearly you're not an Audi fan. Sell it and move on. We love em, not going to change that with your craptastic attitude.

Actually I was, put pressure on Audi to make reliable cars. If you pay me out of this, I will be happy to preserve your feelings by concealing what is actually happening with these cars. And it's not only me, auto press worldwide have had enough.

So you want to buy me out of a Euro spec A4 that has had the transmission and lots of other issues sorted, I just replaced the timing chains, it dynos at 244ps, xespite being listed at 211, has all the latest uodate softwares installed. If it bugs you, pay me out.

You don't necessarily need to be a fan here, you need to be a consumer and owner. We can all speak critically of the internationally - renowned failures of this company. You do realize that the heads of VAG are internationally-wanted fugitives, correct? They have protection from extradition to the US so long as they stay here. Does that hurt?

Did you not realize what would be here from the thread title?

[Snert]

Actually I was, put pressure on Audi to make reliable cars. If you pay me out of this, I will be happy to preserve your feelings by concealing what is actually happening with these cars. And it's not only me, auto press worldwide have had enough.

So you want to buy me out of a Euro spec A4 that has had the transmission and lots of other issues sorted, I just replaced the timing chains, it dynos at 244ps, xespite being listed at 211, has all the latest uodate softwares installed. If it bugs you, pay me out.

You don't necessarily need to be a fan here, you need to be a consumer and owner. We can all speak critically of the internationally - renowned failures of this company. You do realize that the heads of VAG are internationally-wanted fugitives, correct? They have protection from extradition to the US so long as they stay here. Does that hurt?

Did you not realize what would be here from the thread title?

I guess I didn't realize that you think your one complaint has any weight and you came to the wrong place to bitch about these cars. We know what they are, we know what they entail to keep running, we DIY most of the work and mods. Don't like it? Buy a Honda

[Snert]

Actually I was, put pressure on Audi to make reliable cars. If you pay me out of this, I will be happy to preserve your feelings by concealing what is actually happening with these cars. And it's not only me, auto press worldwide have had enough.

So you want to buy me out of a Euro spec A4 that has had the transmission and lots of other issues sorted, I just replaced the timing chains, it dynos at 244ps, xespite being listed at 211, has all the latest uodate softwares installed. If it bugs you, pay me out.

You don't necessarily need to be a fan here, you need to be a consumer and owner. We can all speak critically of the internationally - renowned failures of this company. You do realize that the heads of VAG are internationally-wanted fugitives, correct? They have protection from extradition to the US so long as they stay here. Does that hurt?

Did you not realize what would be here from the thread title?

Point being is we do not buy these because they are reliable daily drivers or at least I know I didn't I bought my Avant because I find it better looking than any other car inside and out, its a wagon so it fits my needs, its a 6MT, AWD and its tuneable. Go ahead and find something else comparable. I'll wait.

[Theiceman]

man id hate to be Kolbe's dog ..

[Kolbenringe]

I guess I didn't realize that you think your one complaint has any weight and you came to the wrong place to bitch about these cars. We know what they are, we know what they entail to keep running, we DIY most of the work and mods. Don't like it? Buy a Honda

My "one complaint"?

https://www.google.de/search?q=audi+...w=1242&bih=569

https://www.google.de/search?num=20&...iz.81Rb5FEnHpA
Google will give you the counts. You may feel free to use translate, particularly the one about the raids by prosecutors, the tens of thousands of cars being recalled, the cars in limbo about to lose their roadworthiness certifications, the timing chain tensioners (steuerkettenspanner), prosecutors preparing more suits and potential arrests, and on and on.

That's only for those two problems. The nationalism here isn't saving Audi anymore.

By the way, we don't get the best Hondas, either.

Once again, did you read the thread title and still get surprised at the thread content? Is it that difficult for you to leave and unsub from this thread?

[A4_PimP]

I'll check that out, though I don't have any issues with water on the driver side.

I don't know if it will help but I had an issue with water getting into the rear footwell on my first car. It's not a Euro but hey more information never hurt. We couldn't figure out where the water was getting in from and it wasn't until one time we dried up all the water in the footwell and still heard water sloshing around. The water was getting into the trunk and filling the spare tire well. Then once it filled up enough it would then go into the rear footwell because the rear seats fold down so the trunk leads into the car.

As for the POS title I think it depends on a ton of things. I think it depends on the mods, who did the mods, how hard the owner drives the car, how it has been maintained througout its life. I had a B5 Passat and when I had it all my friends who had Passats were dealing with sludge issues, that was the main one. I owned my car for years and never had any sludge issues. There are lemons out there and that is compounded by the previous owner not doing the maintenance. Then you modify it so you're pushing all the mechanical components harder. My B7 is fine I've had to fix things but on a 12 year old car I expect to be fixing things. My dad is a mechanic so I've only had to pay the cost of parts so maybe I would see things differently if I was paying the full cost of repairs. I know the car was neglected by the previous owner but it's stock. I don't drive it very far that's just how it is in my case. I only need it to get me to the train station and then home so 5 KMs a day if that. I change the oil every 3 months/5000 KMs whichever comes first. It's what I've always done since I started driving. I check all the fluids regularly and whenever there is an issue I try to get it repaired ASAP if possible. I'm not a granny driver when I have nice weekends in the summer time I'm blasting down the highway at 180KM/h it's just not an every day thing.

[Jay-Bee]

Nope flawlessly

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You literally have a thread from a month ago about how your car is a money pit with issues.