Just did stage 1...And.

[lazz]

Just left the shop with APR Stage 1 93 and either I'm crazy or I drank to much Kool-Aid here but I don't see a Big difference. Could there be a problem? Sure it pulls a little harder, but the spool up is just as long, almost feels longer. Definitely not more boost, I'm not even sure if you're supposed to get that with just a tune so excuse my ignorance. And I realize without before and after test numbers this is all really just throwing shit at the fan. Honestly after reading more then 20 threads about going stage 1,2... I was just expecting more. What are your thoughts guys?

[ramey.schatz]

Should've went stage 2.

What's boost run on stage 1? I see around 23-24 psi on stage 2. The problem I find is the K03 turbo can't keep up above ~4,500 RPM.

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[Shane Horning]

I have apr stage 1 on my 2012 a4 and it definitely made a difference. Dropped 0 to 60 time down by 1 to 1.5 seconds

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[VeeDubbinJetta]

When I had my 14 A4 I went to the local shop and got APR stage 1 done. I left the shop and felt almost no difference. They said it takes some time to adapt so I figured maybe that what it was doing. A week later it still didn’t feel all that fast so I figured maybe the hype was talked up too much. About a week after that I went back and got the fully loaded ecu so I could try different octanes. Guy came out a few minutes after they took the car back laughing. Told me he knows why the car never felt faster, the tune never took on APR’s server for some reason. They got it flashed and correctly this time. Instantly the car felt a whole lot faster. Night and day for sure. If you aren’t noticing this I’d suspect your tune didn’t flash correctly.

[Spawne32]

I have apr stage 1 on my 2012 a4 and it definitely made a difference. Dropped 0 to 60 time down by 1 to 1.5 seconds

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No it didnt. lol

[SexualChocolate]

I didn't notice a big difference in Stage 1 when I did it. It felt more peppy, but it wasn't a "wow" factor.

Stage 2 made a much more noticeable difference.

[Spawne32]

I didn't notice a big difference in Stage 1 when I did it. It felt more peppy, but it wasn't a "wow" factor.

Stage 2 made a much more noticeable difference.

For all the dyno charts posted, stage 1 tunes put down between 200-210awhp, where as stage 2, with the appropriate modifications, put down between 230-240awhp on average. A K04 with mods, between 280-290awhp, assuming these are all pump gas tunes, 91-93 octane. No one here is gaining 1-1.5 seconds of their 0-60 time with a stage 1 or a stage 2 tune. For what its worth, 0-60 times on a B8 are quoted at 6.4 seconds, you can get down to high 5's with stage 2 and mods, K04 can take you into the mid 5's. But no one is seeing S4 and RS4 0-60 times on stage 1, no way shape or form. lol

[Perry01]

No one here is gaining 1-1.5 seconds of their 0-60 time....For what its worth, 0-60 times on a B8 are quoted at 6.4 seconds, you can get down to high 5's with stage 2 and mods, K04 can take you into the mid 5's. But no one is seeing S4 and RS4 0-60 times on stage 1, no way shape or form. lol

Stock 0-60 for my 4,000 lb. Q5 2.0T is 7.6 seconds. With K04 I shaved 3 seconds of my 0-60 time. Measured by Dragy (which unlike VBOX, doesn’t include a 1 foot rollout wich increases times by ~2 tenths of a second).

[Shane Horning]

For all the dyno charts posted, stage 1 tunes put down between 200-210awhp, where as stage 2, with the appropriate modifications, put down between 230-240awhp on average. A K04 with mods, between 280-290awhp, assuming these are all pump gas tunes, 91-93 octane. No one here is gaining 1-1.5 seconds of their 0-60 time with a stage 1 or a stage 2 tune. For what its worth, 0-60 times on a B8 are quoted at 6.4 seconds, you can get down to high 5's with stage 2 and mods, K04 can take you into the mid 5's. But no one is seeing S4 and RS4 0-60 times on stage 1, no way shape or form. lol

With proper trans tuning (hp tuners) and apr stage 1 my a4 went from 6.7 to 5.2 to 60. It will launch enough harder that my stock c7 a6 3.0t wont pass it till about 80mph in a drag. Ofcourse the a6 is going faster by then.

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[Perry01]

With proper trans tuning (hp tuners) and apr stage 1 my a4 went from 6.7 to 5.2 to 60.

What are you using to measure 0-60 time?

[Spawne32]

Stock 0-60 for my 4,000 lb. Q5 2.0T is 7.6 seconds. With K04 I shaved 3 seconds of my 0-60 time. Measured by Dragy (which unlike VBOX, doesn’t include a 1 foot rollout wich increases times by ~2 tenths of a second).

You realize that you are saying that your Q5 with a K04 has 0-60 times similar to a RS4 right?

[Walletclan]

Stage 2 is where the fun is! I guess we know what your next mod will be....

[Spawne32]

I'm fairly confident you guy's are measuring these 0-60 times going down hill with the wind blowing. lol

[adamazing]

I have apr stage 1 on my 2012 a4 and it definitely made a difference. Dropped 0 to 60 time down by 1 to 1.5 seconds

No.

[JD23]

You realize that you are saying that your Q5 with a K04 has 0-60 times similar to a RS4 right?

An even better comparison is that the K04'ed Q5 is somehow nearly as fast as a stock S3, which also has a K04, but weighs at least 500 lb less, and is also faster than an SQ5.

[Spawne32]

An even better comparison is that the K04'ed Q5 is somehow nearly as fast as a stock S3, which also has a K04, but weighs at least 500 lb less, and is also faster than an SQ5.

He's saying its faster, according to motortrend the new S3 does it in 4.7 seconds, and the RS4 is rated at 4.2 or so. Call me crazy but I suspect that the measurements are a bit inaccurate, consdering the 280-300awhp on the Q5 with a K04, vs the 450hp and 443ft lbs the RS4 puts down to get that 4.2 second time.

[19birel]

No.

Why is 1-1.5secs not a valid drop in 0-60? If you go on APR's website they state that in their acceleration tests, they achieved a 5.4 sec 0-60 time vs their tested 6.1 when stock (with a 6MT A4). For reference Audi quotes the car at doing 0-60 in 6.5secs stock.
Here's a link if you're interested APR Data (You gotta scroll down a bit)

Furthermore, there are a couple videos on Youtube of a 6MT A4 with a Neuspeed Powermodule (which yields slightly less power than Stage 1) doing 0-60 in the mid 5sec range as well. Given that information a 0-60 time of ~5.5secs for stage 1 seems entirely plausible.

[Perry01]

I'm fairly confident you guy's are measuring these 0-60 times going down hill with the wind blowing. lol

I’m not sure where you get your K04 HP numbers but mine puts down 341 AWHP on a DynaPack dyno.

I’m surprised you haven’t heard of the Dragy device. Lots of go fast guys are using it. It has a powerful GPS that senses minute changes in altitude. If you go down an incline more than 1%, the run is invalid. They are VERY accurate. Here is fellow forum member PoweredbyAudi7. He also has a K04 but with an APR 100 octane tune, full bolt-ones including Water/meth injection that dynoed 320 AWHP.



And here are a couple of stock twin turbo V8 S6’s 0-60 times:





And a stock B9 S4 0-60



And finally a stock B9 SQ5 0-60



These times are all pulled from the Dragy Leaderboard for everyone to see.

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[Spawne32]

Why is 1-1.5secs not a valid drop in 0-60? If you go on APR's website they state that in their acceleration tests, they achieved a 5.4 sec 0-60 time vs their tested 6.1 when stock (with a 6MT A4). For reference Audi quotes the car at doing 0-60 in 6.5secs stock.
Here's a link if you're interested APR Data (You gotta scroll down a bit)

Furthermore, there are a couple videos on Youtube of a 6MT A4 with a Neuspeed Powermodule (which yields slightly less power than Stage 1) doing 0-60 in the mid 5sec range as well. Given that information a 0-60 time of ~5.5secs for stage 1 seems entirely plausible.

Manual transmission times are heavily dependent on the driver, so in all fairness, yes I can see someone going from 6.4 (which was the rated spec for the manual trans) to 6.1 with nothing but a driver mod and good tires. But most of us have the ZF6 auto transmission in these car's, which are a hell of alot different from both the manual and 8spd transmissions which the B8.5 guys got. But a stage 1 tune does not give you the kind of power increase required for a second and a half drop in 0-60 time on these car's, at all, and nor does a K04 make an SUV as fast as an S3 or RS4 imo. No matter what these new fangled apps are telling people.

[Spawne32]

Perry your running an APR 100 octane file with meth. Take out the meth and put a 91/93 pump gas tune back on your car like normal people and watch the power drop to 280-290. lol

[Spawne32]

If dragy goes on sale around christmas ill buy it and measure the 0-60 on my B8 for sure. I'll probably wanna sell the car after, but ill do it.

[Perry01]

Perry your running an APR 100 octane file with meth. Take the meth and put a 91/93 pump gas tune back on your car like normal people and watch the power drop to 280-290. lol

PowerdbyAudi7 is running APR 100 octane file with water/meth, not me. I have a custom 93 octane K04 file by IE.

[Spawne32]

PowerdbyAudi7 is running APR 100 octane file with water/meth, not me. I have a custom 93 octane K04 file by IE.

So your claiming with your CTS K04 and the IE custom tune, you put down 345awhp on pump gas???

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How much do you want for that tune file? lol

[Perry01]

But a stage 1 tune does not give you the kind of power increase required for a second and a half drop in 0-60 time on these car's, at all, and nor does a K04 make an SUV as fast as an S3 or RS4 imo. No matter what these new fangled apps are telling people.

If dragy goes on sale around christmas ill buy it and measure the 0-60 on my B8 for sure. I'll probably wanna sell the car after, but ill do it.

Dragy is not an app using the GPS on your mobile phone. It’s a physical device like VBOX but only cost $149.

[Spawne32]

Dragy is not an app using the GPS on your mobile phone. It’s a physical device like VBOX but only cost $149.

Yeh i was just looking it up, how is it mounted in the car?

[Perry01]

So your claiming with your CTS K04 and the IE custom tune, you put down 345awhp on pump gas???

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How much do you want for that tune file? lol

341 AWHP on 93 octane gas mixed with a gallon of 100 octane Sunoco 260GT race gas.

332 AWHP on straight 93 octane gas.

[Perry01]

Yeh i was just looking it up, how is it mounted in the car?

It’s like the size of two packs of chewing gum stacked on each other and it mounts on a magnetic sticky strip that you attach to your dashboard

[Shane Horning]

What are you using to measure 0-60 time?

Good question. I am using a stop watch lol. I ordered a dragy last week so should be here any day and will get more accurate times. Bottom line is my stage 1 a4 is just as fast to 60 as my stock c7 a6 3.0t.

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[Nano909]

Just left the shop with APR Stage 1 93 and either I'm crazy or I drank to much Kool-Aid here but I don't see a Big difference. Could there be a problem? Sure it pulls a little harder, but the spool up is just as long, almost feels longer. Definitely not more boost, I'm not even sure if you're supposed to get that with just a tune so excuse my ignorance. And I realize without before and after test numbers this is all really just throwing shit at the fan. Honestly after reading more then 20 threads about going stage 1,2... I was just expecting more. What are your thoughts guys?

I always tell people to skip to stage 2. Stage 1 from stock was meh compared to stage 2 from stage 1.

[adamazing]

Why is 1-1.5secs not a valid drop in 0-60? If you go on APR's website they state that in their acceleration tests, they achieved a 5.4 sec 0-60 time vs their tested 6.1 when stock (with a 6MT A4). For reference Audi quotes the car at doing 0-60 in 6.5secs stock.
Here's a link if you're interested APR Data (You gotta scroll down a bit)

Furthermore, there are a couple videos on Youtube of a 6MT A4 with a Neuspeed Powermodule (which yields slightly less power than Stage 1) doing 0-60 in the mid 5sec range as well. Given that information a 0-60 time of ~5.5secs for stage 1 seems entirely plausible.

Oh... that's my bad. I'm not gonna lie, I skimmed the thread and didn't read every word.

I misunderstood him to mean his 0-60 WAS 1.5 secs. That's my fault.

[Spawne32]

Oh... that's my bad. I'm not gonna lie, I skimmed the thread and didn't read every word.

I misunderstood him to mean his 0-60 WAS 1.5 secs. That's my fault.

hahah wouldnt that be something

[Shane Horning]

I always tell people to skip to stage 2. Stage 1 from stock was meh compared to stage 2 from stage 1.

I totally agree. My brother has c7 a6 3.0t and first had apr stage 1 and a month later went stage 2 but we seen minimal gains going to stage 2.

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[Shane Horning]

I totally agree. My brother has c7 a6 3.0t and first had apr stage 1 and a month later went stage 2 but we seen minimal gains going to stage 2.

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Sorry meant c7 a6 2.0t

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[Nano909]

I totally agree. My brother has c7 a6 3.0t and first had apr stage 1 and a month later went stage 2 but we seen minimal gains going to stage 2.

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Stage 1 is cool if you want to get rid of the speed limiter, but that's pretty much it.

[Perry01]

Good question. I am using a stop watch lol. I ordered a dragy last week so should be here any day and will get more accurate times. Bottom line is my stage 1 a4 is just as fast to 60 as my stock c7 a6 3.0t.

You can use the Dragy in any vehicle you want. You should do a run in your A4 then a run with your A6 on the same stretch of road. Keep in mind that all of the magazines that measure 0-60 times use the VBOX which includes a 1 foot roll out. This one foot rollout reduces 0-60 times anywhere from .2 to .3 tenths of a second. So if you get a 0-60 time of 5 seconds flat with the Dragy, the run would actually be closer to 4.7 to 4.8 seconds compared to what you see measured by the magazines using the VBOX.

[Shane Horning]

You can use the Dragy in any vehicle you want. You should do a run in your A4 then a run with your A6 on the same stretch of road. Keep in mind that all of the magazines that measure 0-60 times use the VBOX which includes a 1 foot roll out. This one foot rollout reduces 0-60 times anywhere from .2 to .3 tenths of a second. So if you get a 0-60 time of 5 seconds flat with the Dragy, the run would actually be closer to 4.7 to 4.8 seconds compared to what you see measured by the magazines using the VBOX.

Ok thanks for the info. Will have results in the next week!

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[Shane Horning]

PowerdbyAudi7 is running APR 100 octane file with water/meth, not me. I have a custom 93 octane K04 file by IE.

Don't mean to derail this thread but how do you like I E tunes? I was always apr customer but I ordered I E dual pulley e40 tune on black Friday for my a6 3.0t. Price is why I went with IE

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[A4x]

341 AWHP on 93 octane gas mixed with a gallon of 100 octane Sunoco 260GT race gas.

332 AWHP on straight 93 octane gas.

Did you run a different tune for those different octanes and power figures or does IE somehow adapt?

I've been on APR 100 tune for 1.5 years and it is a significant bump over their 93 tune. Significantly more torque starting at 2800 rpm for the K04 file.

Back in the day I went stock to stage 2 and it was a significant bump.

I would imagine stock to stage 1 would also be significant.

[Nano909]

Stock to stage 1 was barely (if at all) noticeable for me.

[Spawne32]

Did you run a different tune for those different octanes and power figures or does IE somehow adapt?

I've been on APR 100 tune for 1.5 years and it is a significant bump over their 93 tune. Significantly more torque starting at 2800 rpm for the K04 file.

Back in the day I went stock to stage 2 and it was a significant bump.

I would imagine stock to stage 1 would also be significant.

I am super curious as to how IE is extracting that much power from a K04 on pump gas.