Stop Sale Buying Power?

[16AudiS6]

Anyone have any idea what kind of buying power/negotiation we as buyers can expect once Audi ceases the stop sale for the S6/S7/RS7 models? I know they currently can’t be sold due to the passenger airbag recall. Just trying to gauge if there will be a better chance to get a decent discount on these models since they’ve been sitting on the lot so long.

[Jrh13s4]

I too am wondering about this. They have been on stop sale since just before Father’s Day

[16AudiS6]

I too am wondering about this. They have been on stop sale since just before Father’s Day

Exactly. The dealer I've spoke too doesn't even have a clue when the issue will be fixed and when they can sell them again. I'm highly interested in a 2018 RS7 they have on their lot, just can't buy it yet and am patiently waiting.

[Jrh13s4]

I traveled 2 plus hours to see a nano grey S6 that the dealer had in their inventory, because I had never seen that color on a S6. While I wasn’t thrilled with the color in person, they wouldn’t even let us sit in it or even open the door. Crazy

[Frenetic]

When I got my car it, too, was on hold due to a side airbag recall. I just had to wait a few weeks until they got the part and, more importantly, procedure on how exactly to replace it. In fact, the dealer said my car was likely one of the first ones that got fixed.

I also got the recall notice for this current issue involving the sensor to turn on or off the passenger airbag, but it indicated there was no current fix. I think what’s causing such a delay is that Audi is trying to figure out how exactly to do this without giving us all new passenger seats is my estimation.

The side curtain airbag replacement seems like it would have been a much more difficult replacement than a simple sensor. But there must be something more to it to have the repair delayed for as long as it has versus the problem that afflicted me and many others in 2017.

Maybe the sensor is situated as such that it cannot be easily serviced? Maybe Audi is doing everything possible short of giving us all new seats? I’m just speculating as I have no idea how exactly that sensor is integrated into the seat, but the time needed to address this is eons longer than replacing an entire curtain airbag.

[esimp2k]

Last I head from the dealer was a late winter solution but they didn’t seem optimistic.


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[ericw.]

If anything, I imagine the stop sale will increase demand and drive prices up. The best you can hope for is a previous model year discount on a new 2018 vehicle while 2019 are arriving at the dealer.

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[gk1]

And here's another question...will there even be a 2019 S6 stateside? or will they skip over a model year???
With the current issues and the 2019 A6 coming soon and the usual delay of the S variants... (I know they are testing them.)...it does seem possible they could backsell the C7's once fixed until the C8's arrive the end of 2019 as 2020 models. That way old C7 S6 sales are not conflicting with C8 sales. A thought anyway.

[widebodyfx]

Just from a RS7 perspective since I was recently looking for one, the available inventory is steadily going down. Haven't seen the number of available pre-owned face lift RS7 cars go much over 50 across the US, it's currently below 40. Handful of those are over 90k and or very new Performance models over 100K.

The comfort seat cars get picked up here and there but I think most people like the sportier seats, dealers holding back will want to CPO them (makes sense at that price point). It's 140k cars affected. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...-airbag-issue/

2012 to 2015 A6 sedans built from April 4, 2011, through Dec. 23, 2014
2016 to 2018 A6 sedans built from Oct. 29, 2014, through April 30, 2018
2012 to 2015 A7 sedans built from Jan. 27, 2011, through Jan. 31, 2015
2016 to 2018 A7 sedans built from Oct. 31, 2014, through April 6, 2018
2013 to 2015 S6 sedans built from June 25, 2012, through Dec. 18, 2014
2016 to 2018 S6 sedans built from Feb. 6, 2015, through April 26, 2018
2016 to 2018 S7 sedans built from Feb. 7, 2015, through March 23, 2018
2013 to 2015 S7 sedans built from June 27, 2012, through Feb. 12, 2015
2014 to 2018 RS7 sedans built from July 25, 2013, through April 4, 2018

Prices will either be high because of demand or a flood of cars which might lower the prices based on inventory but its still a fairly regional market thing.

[fetaboy]

Is there still no ETA on this fix? I locked in a trade at my local dealer of my S7 for a 2016 Nardo Gray RS7, but need to wait for the fix before I can actually complete the trade and take possession of the RS7. Dealer said they were hoping early November but weren't sure.

[V10Jon]

I thought about that as well. I recently purchased a RS7.

You could argue that the market will be "flooded" once the recall fixes are released, and the supply will increase dramatically. Keep in mind any non-Audi dealer can certainly sell the cars as is right now though.

In the end I got impatient and pulled the trigger.

[widebodyfx]

Yep, non Audi dealers do have some cars but the low inventory overall makes finding the desired combos with either reasonable mileage and or clean history difficult. I almost caved too but ended up getting a RS7 with sport seats from an Audi dealer.

[16AudiS6]

I'm patiently waiting for the stop sale to be resolved as I'm looking at a 2018 RS7 just sitting on the Audi dealers lot collecting dust.

[Helios Black]

Just bought a 2014 RS7 from an Audi dealer CPO but it has the comfort seat upgrade which isn’t included on the recall. There’s still a couple cars out there but it’s getting harder to find. I’m thinking it’s gonna raise the prices a bit at least in the short term.


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[fetaboy]

It stinks that this is still an issue with trying to trade in my 14 S7 for a 16 RS7. Both cars have the recall, so logically they should cancel each other out, right? :)

[Speedooooo]

I see some Audi dealers selling A6s, while some are saying they're not allowed to sell. Do you know how they're getting away with it?

[ericw.]

I see some Audi dealers selling A6s, while some are saying they're not allowed to sell. Do you know how they're getting away with it?

No warranty and you sign a disclaimer that removes their liability.

[widebodyfx]

I have remainder of factory warranty and they offered an extended warranty if I wanted, they just couldn't do CPO process. Car is a 2016 with 12,5k mile at time of purchase so warranty until March of 2020.

A6/7 cars would be the competition package cars affected not all A cars. Based on the build dates affected and seeing some new cars being available they likely fixed at the factory but trying to figure out a field fix seems more challenging for Audi.

[16AudiS6]

I have remainder of factory warranty and they offered an extended warranty if I wanted, they just couldn't do CPO process. Car is a 2016 with 12,5k mile at time of purchase so warranty until March of 2020.

A6/7 cars would be the competition package cars affected not all A cars. Based on the build dates affected and seeing some new cars being available they likely fixed at the factory but trying to figure out a field fix seems more challenging for Audi.

Did you end up picking up Limeypride's RS7 that he traded in on the M5?

[widebodyfx]

No, he had a titanium edition with the Alcantara seats and factory Audi Sport (Akra) exhaust. Mine is a performance but not because I was looking for one, buying from Audi I assume this is not TD1 for anything but going in for service check soon for some little things.

Price of the car, miles on it, being local, not having been APR tuned according to VIN check and having the other options I wanted (B&O, sport seats, drivers assistance, soft close doors) made it an easy decision to accept it being black and a performance. Ceramic brakes are awesome from my last experience, no madly dusty wheels. Would've preferred air suspension but the DRC is ok so far. Waiting to put on the KW.

[16AudiS6]

No, he had a titanium edition with the Alcantara seats and factory Audi Sport (Akra) exhaust. Mine is a performance but not because I was looking for one, buying from Audi I assume this is not TD1 for anything but going in for service check soon for some little things.

Price of the car, miles on it, being local, not having been APR tuned according to VIN check and having the other options I wanted (B&O, sport seats, drivers assistance, soft close doors) made it an easy decision to accept it being black and a performance. Ceramic brakes are awesome from my last experience, no madly dusty wheels. Would've preferred air suspension but the DRC is ok so far. Waiting to put on the KW.

Nice man, I'm still super jealous of the Carbon Ceramics that Andre picked up from you for his S6. They look killer on his car.

[Speedooooo]

Do you guys know if the fix is ready? It sounds like it is, but I'm hearing there is still a stop sale.

NHTSA RECALL NUMBER 18V370

DESCRIPTION
The Passenger Occupant Detection System (PODS) can malfunction due to stress/wear factors affecting an internal connector or contact resistance increase at body-sensing mat in the seat. Should a malfunction occur, vehicle occupants will be alerted of a PODS problem by illumination of the airbag monitoring light and by the status of the Passenger Airbag OFF indicator light. In this situation, a front passenger seat occupant risks injury in a crash because a malfunctioning PODS may not make the correct airbag deployment decision for the type of occupant seated there.

REMEDY
Audi dealers will install a PODS repair kit.
AUDI ACTION CODE 74D5

Sounds like there is a PODS repair kit? Is the website just saying that?

[fetaboy]

I wish, I'm patiently waiting. However it also says on the website "REPAIR NOT YET AVAILABLE". I have a deposit on a 2016 RS7 Performance (trading in an 14 S7) at my local Audi dealer. Both cars have the recall, and while they'll let me complete the sale, they will not let me take possession of the RS7 until the recall is fixed.

[Speedooooo]

Local dealer rep said that he was at a corporate meeting where they said the repair will be available second week in November. Hopefully he's right.

[V10Jon]

Local dealer rep said that he was a corporate meeting where they said the repair will be available second week in November. Hopefully he's right.

If this is true for the 2nd half of November everyone should see a real representation of the used market since all the franchised dealers would be able to list the cars.

[Kodachrome]

Keeping an eye on this, looking to move up from our 2012 A4 to a 2015 RS7.

[Speedooooo]

If this is true for the 2nd half of November everyone should see a real representation of the used market since all the franchised dealers would be able to list the cars.

I called one dealer and they said they're sitting on about 30-40 A6s. Everyone has a lot of stock. We'll probably be in a good situation with a lot of used A6s and A7s hitting the market, and the new 2019 models rolling out at the same time. I wonder if Audi would delay the 2019s until the 2018s sell.

[infinitereality]

Just curious if this applies to used cars from non-Audi dealers? I had a S7 shipped from Cali to Houston to purchase from CarMax. It arrived Tuesday and they sent to Audi dealership to get looked over, something I wasn't aware of until that day since I was planning to pick it up yesterday. Little worried they won't sell it.

[widebodyfx]

Only Audi dealers would hold some cars from being sold, other brand dealers and private dealers don't care about the recall.

Example of a sport seat car available from an Audi dealer, its also advertised on other dealers assuming this store owner has multiple brands under the same ownership.
https://www.audidenver.com/used/Audi...07967b9926.htm
https://www.mcdonaldvolvo.com/used/A...07967b9926.htm

Top end of the market, it's a lot of capital to sit on waiting for Audi. https://www.valentivw.com/used-Water...WRAFC8HN905286

[Kodachrome]

Only Audi dealers would hold some cars from being sold, other brand dealers and private dealers don't care about the recall.

Example of a sport seat car available from an Audi dealer, its also advertised on other dealers assuming this store owner has multiple brands under the same ownership.
https://www.audidenver.com/used/Audi...07967b9926.htm
https://www.mcdonaldvolvo.com/used/A...07967b9926.htm

Sweet ride that is close to me, too bad about the color though. I wonder why neither ad has the mileage listed?

[infinitereality]

I'm a little concerned Audi dealership CarMax sent it to will "recommend" them not sell it due to recall. I'll be pissed if that happens, I still don't even know if I'll pick it up saturday and make the 2.5hr drive there.

Plus I have a few items that are just waiting to be installed when I get it back to my shop. Been waiting since Oct. 4th and driving me nuts knowing it's here and should be driving it right now.

[Kodachrome]

I went and did it, traded my sweet little B8 Prestige A4 for a 2015 RS7. I will have to wait out the stop sale but that is fine, dealer thinks 5 weeks on the outside.

Brrap!

[widebodyfx]

Good for you, that's a big jump up. The C7 chassis is good stuff, enough mods to keep you interested and fairly reliable car with a great community of enthusiasts.

[Kodachrome]

Good for you, that's a big jump up. The C7 chassis is good stuff, enough mods to keep you interested and fairly reliable car with a great community of enthusiasts.

Thanks, yeah, enormous jump, LOL! Time to peel back the pages on here and learn a lot about it!

[fetaboy]

I'm sort of in the same position, "traded in" my S7 for a RS7 Performance.....I only put a deposit though and have a sales contract (and got the financing which now expires in 30 days), I don't want to actually complete the sale since I want to keep my car until the stop sale has ended as they won't let me take possession of the RS7 until then. Did you actually give up your car, or are in limbo until the stop sale?

[Kodachrome]

I'm sort of in the same position, "traded in" my S7 for a RS7 Performance.....I only put a deposit though and have a sales contract (and got the financing which now expires in 30 days), I don't want to actually complete the sale since I want to keep my car until the stop sale has ended as they won't let me take possession of the RS7 until then. Did you actually give up your car, or are in limbo until the stop sale?

So far I am driving my A4 until they get the fix done. Of course I am doing right by that and minimizing how much I drive it which is fine because my wife and I both work from home. But they did not ask me to either so I am happy with the arrangement for now. I would love to see this fix happen sooner but I can be patient too.

[fetaboy]

So far I am driving my A4 until they get the fix done. Of course I am doing right by that and minimizing how much I drive it which is fine because my wife and I both work from home. But they did not ask me to either so I am happy with the arrangement for now. I would love to see this fix happen sooner but I can be patient too.

Same here. I work from home and my wife is a stay at home mom. In the end I'm putting minimal mileage, but then again the RS7 is getting 'older' too. The audi dealer is also around the corner from me, so I literally see 'my' Nardo Grey RS7 every single day when I go out to lunch.

[Jrh13s4]

I’m hearing the fix is in and discounts will be approx. 25 % on new. Sounds awfully high

[fetaboy]

I’m hearing the fix is in and discounts will be approx. 25 % on new. Sounds awfully high

I hope so! Any ETA on when dealers would start getting the parts in? My financing on a used RS7 Performance that I'm trading in for expires late next week and really don't want to re-apply and hit my credit report again.

[Kodachrome]

I hope so! Any ETA on when dealers would start getting the parts in? My financing on a used RS7 Performance that I'm trading in for expires late next week and really don't want to re-apply and hit my credit report again.

No real changes on what I have heard from my dealer or read here, sometime around Thanksgiving. I just went ahead and traded in my A4 since it was due for the chain and tensioner work. The loaner is fine for now, I understand your predicament though, can you talk to your dealer about it?