BAT B6 or Stock RS4 B7

[BARRY]

haha...just curious...how many of you would prefer a BAT B6 over a B7 RS4...

deciding factor is obviously operating costs being much lower for the 1.8t along with fuel consumption. oh and don't forget the savings in registration and insurance.

[SleeperAvant]

Get both.

[MetalMan]

Just get a C5 Corvette Z06. Much cheaper insurance and better gas mileage than B7 RS4, faster, and cheaper. That's what I did lol. (was pondering B7 RS4 and BAT B5 1.8T)

[itsmatt33]

considering my b6's interior blows every rs4 interior out of the water i really only have the engines to compare, i find big boost is a much more exciting drive. V8 power band is super satisfying but IDK big turbo b6 have more "you" character. That being said i am fairly certain it would have been much cheaper for me to own and maintain a stock rs4 vs my b6 despite what one might think.

[V70R]

Just get a C5 Corvette Z06. Much cheaper insurance and better gas mileage than B7 RS4, faster, and cheaper. That's what I did lol. (was pondering B7 RS4 and BAT B5 1.8T)

Ohhh, you did get one. Congrats!

[BARRY]

hmm...not a fan of the C5's, unless Z06 which are super affordable right now...C6's are much nicer. thanks for the input

[Gin+]

please

[fR3ZNO]

Depends... I think the RS4 has more "cool" factor due to rarity, OEM sports sedan, etc. But to be honest, could any of us actually keep any car we own "stock"? lol

[Nollywood]

B7 RS4.

[Matt Devo]

I loved my B6, but no denying the RS4 looks more aggressive, and revving the V8 out to 8k is so very satisfying...

considering my b6's interior blows every rs4 interior out of the water

I'm just gonna leave this here:
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...1#post10996503

[MetalMan]

Ohhh, you did get one. Congrats!

Yep! One week ago I picked it up. Working on taking care of the common C5 Corvette issues.

hmm...not a fan of the C5's, unless Z06 which are super affordable right now...C6's are much nicer. thanks for the input

To each their own of course I paid $15.7k for a 56k mile California Z06.

[itsmatt33]

I loved my B6, but no denying the RS4 looks more aggressive, and revving the V8 out to 8k is so very satisfying...





I'm just gonna leave this here:
https://www.audizine.com/forum/showt...1#post10996503

i stand by my statement lol. I am not a fan of the puesdo CF leather

[jonan]

i stand by my statement lol. I am not a fan of the puesdo CF leather

i have both so i think i can offer an unbiased opinion...

now that i have mattdevo's alcantara headliner in my b6, it's identical to itsmatt's interior (he has sickest b6 interior IMO) minus the CF trim and awesome seats...i do have recaros from b7 s4 in the b6 so interior wise i think it is a wash compared to my rs4 (i do wish i put the alcantara in the rs4 instead of the b6 tho, FML)...

the engine and exhaust note of the v8 hands down destroys the sound of the 1.8t at high revs...i'm on the 2nd revision of my motoza tune and the b6 with a gt2860rs and fully built motor feels just as fast as my rs4 once you're 4k and higher...i honestly feel like 0-60 times are pretty similar...all but dyno tho so could be off by 0.50 seconds or so...

i do like the sound of the turbo when it rages out like a demon with a high pitched wail at WOT above 4k tho...very unique sound...but keeping the motor above 4k in vacuum just doesn't sound as audibly pleasing to me...it's actually pretty jarring to have the 1.8t above 7k RPM (i have a ferrea valvetrain so motoza set rev limit to 7.5k)...

at the end of the day, i feel like a BAT b6 and the RS4 are both DRIVERS cars...both feel very mechanical and connected to the road which is what i prefer over driving around in an ipad powered box of metal with no form of driver feedback...

IMO a b6 BAT is super sleeper tho, doesn't sound fast at all but can rape the shit out of most cars on the road...rs4 sounds extremely intimidating so the muscle car types don't really try to hunt you down...all anecdotal experience on my end so YMMV...

financially, don't add up all the money you will spend going stage III with a b6 or getting a 12 year old rs4 up to snuff, you'll cry...i really spared no expense on my b6 build and getting the rs4 in a place where i am happy with it mechanically and cosmetically...

i do some mental accounting from time to time and kick myself for not selling the b6 when it was k04'd, passing on the rs4, and just going straight into a gated r8 v8...cause yea that's how much money i've spent on both cars to get them where they are at today and there are STILL things i need to do to both car until they are perfect in my eyes...but hey, these are my audis, there are many like them, but these two are mine...and all that jazz...

final verdict...can't go wrong with either one, and they both put a smile on my face when i'm driving them!!!

pick your poison...

[jonan]

Yep! One week ago I picked it up. Working on taking care of the common C5 Corvette issues.



To each their own of course I paid $15.7k for a 56k mile California Z06.

gratz! i don't know much about corvettes, but i do know that any time i see one driving around from the front i usually mistake it for a ferrari so that's saying something in the looks department...

[b6Hate4]

i stand by my statement lol. I am not a fan of the puesdo CF leather

WOW that interior is sick.

[eljay]

My GTRS 1.8T is fun, but I long for a V8, so RS4 any day. For me, it would have to come in an Avant form though. ;)

[Stock B6]

Personally, I feel the charm of a BAT 1.8T is the effect of building it up gradually. There’s more upgrades to do, and each one is better bang for the buck than the RS4. Every time you upgrade something it’s like you got a new car, never bored, while the RS4 is a marvelous machine but may get boring over time. Just my take though.


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[Nollywood]

The RS4 doesnit for me, each and every time.

I don’t really like 4 cylinder engines, especially inline ones. Boxer 4’s are a bit better, nicer sound track, but they’re no V8’s either.

[DarkoNova]

i stand by my statement lol. I am not a fan of the puesdo CF leather

Please ditch those harnesses.

It's incredibly unsafe driving around with harnesses tied into the rear seat like that. If you get into an accident, because the harness goes downward at such a sharp angle, it compresses your spine. There's a reason cars with harnesses have a roll bar behind the seat that they attach to, and why OEM seatbelts go to the B-pillar at a point level to or above your shoulder.

[Nollywood]

I was going to say the same, but I don’t want to get anyone upset. Over here, a road car won’t pass inspection with that setup. It would be deemed for Off-Road and Competition use only.

[fabric8]

The timing chain design on the audi 4.2 V8's sways me away from ever buying an S4/5 or RS4/5 even though I love how the RS's look with wider fenders. The 1.8t by comparison is a far better and more reliable design.

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[Nollywood]

1.8T - more reliable than the 079-series V8? Yes. Better in terms of what? To drive? No. The thunderous soundtrack of a V8 motor is a winner.

[Matt Devo]

The timing chain design on the audi 4.2 V8's sways me away from ever buying an S4/5 or RS4/5 even though I love how the RS's look with wider fenders. The 1.8t by comparison is a far better and more reliable design.

you're talking about completely different motors in the S4/S5 and RS4, the latter having zero issues with timing chain guides

[SoCal Ian]

Yep! One week ago I picked it up. Working on taking care of the common C5 Corvette issues.



To each their own of course I paid $15.7k for a 56k mile California Z06.

My time working at Enterprise rent a car spoiled me on American made cars. But maybe it’s time to take a look again if the cost/benefit ratio is that good.


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[Nollywood]

you're talking about completely different motors in the S4/S5 and RS4, the latter having zero issues with timing chain guides

Yep.

Metal chain guides.

[itsmatt33]

I was going to say the same, but I don’t want to get anyone upset. Over here, a road car won’t pass inspection with that setup. It would be deemed for Off-Road and Competition use only.

Please ditch those harnesses.

It's incredibly unsafe driving around with harnesses tied into the rear seat like that. If you get into an accident, because the harness goes downward at such a sharp angle, it compresses your spine. There's a reason cars with harnesses have a roll bar behind the seat that they attach to, and why OEM seatbelts go to the B-pillar at a point level to or above your shoulder.

Ive been waiting for someone to comment this so i can take them to school.

I actually did quite a bit of research on these harnesses because i used to think the same about any potential danger. Here is what i found:

The stock seatbelts do a couple of things in a crash. First they stretch so that the force of the impact is reduced. Second, they allow the wearer to pitch forward from the hips. That prevents submarining and positions the wearer so the airbags can do their job. Meanwhile, the bodywork is crumpling and absorbing crash energy around them. As you can see on the NHTSA website, this system generally works really well, especially when you compare it with footage of older "built like tanks" cars that just collapse in a crash.

So what does it mean to us? Well, putting a racing harness in the car actually makes you more stable but less safe. It holds your shoulders back so you can't pitch forward. Without anti-sub belts (note to file: wear a cup) the harness can't stop you from sliding forward under the belt and disappearing into the footwell without ever touching the airbag that was eagerly waiting to catch you. From my reading of the article about the Chuckwalla crash, this seems to have been the sad fate of the passenger. Schroth is the exception - their Quick Fit products have built-in weak points that allow you to pitch forward properly (AKA anti sub tech). Real racing belts don't.

demonstrated here:



What is more important is that:

1) this harness is HANS approved
2) is equipped with ASM technology. (If you dont know what that is then you shouldnt have been commenting on the harnesses to being with)

This video does an excellent job of explaining at 4:50:

[Nollywood]

I don’t know a thing about cars, safety (passive or active) seatbelts, racing harnesses, crash testing etc. I just drive ‘em.

Thank you for schooling me. I just need to make sure my next car has racing harnesses fitted. We learn a new thing every day!

[itsmatt33]

I don’t know a thing about cars, safety (passive or active) seatbelts, racing harnesses, crash testing etc. I just drive ‘em.

Thank you for schooling me. I just need to make sure my next car has racing harnesses fitted. We learn a new thing every day!

I am only teasing. It was always just so funny to me how many people in the FB community would get so riled up about them and had no clue as to the technology behind them. Even after showing them testing and certifications they still argued. These harnesses have always been a point of contention on auto forums but i always remind people that Schroth is a multi million dollar company. The last thing they would ever do would be to put a product on the market without research, testing and certification that would potentially expose them to legal liability

[Nollywood]

Point taken, Matt.

I used to run Schroth harnesses back in my VW Golf I/II days, and I could never get them to pass inspection. I was told to get a bar welded in behind the front seats to anchor them, or remove them completely.

I wasn’t keen or burning my immaculate interior paintwork by welding, so I opted to remove them. Never used them since, but if I was building a car from scratch, I would probably have the anchor bar welded into the B pillars, so it could all be painted.

Besides your harness anchorage points, your B6 has BALLER status.

[itsmatt33]

Point taken, Matt.

I used to run Schroth harnesses back in my VW Golf I/II days, and I could never get them to pass inspection. I was told to get a bar welded in behind the front seats to anchor them, or remove them completely.

I wasn’t keen or burning my immaculate interior paintwork by welding, so I opted to remove them. Never used them since, but if I was building a car from scratch, I would probably have the anchor bar welded into the B pillars, so it could all be painted.

Besides your harness anchorage points, your B6 has BALLER status.

Yea it probably wouldn't pass inspection here either but harnesses are the least of my concerns with being a BAT b6. But the beauty of these harnesses is there is no drilling into the car whatsoever. they clip into the rear seat belt receiver on one side of the rear and bolt underneath the original seat belt bolt on the other side of the rear. No fab work whatsoever.

And thank you! pics definitely help hide some imperfections but I am about to send it in for paintwork. I am installing a euro trunk that I have been sitting on for quite some time now!

[fabric8]

Yep.

Metal chain guides.

Metal rail with a plastic guide. Inevitably when that plastic wears out, you've still got to pull the motor out right?

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[Nollywood]

Metal rail with a plastic guide. Inevitably when that plastic wears out, you've still got to pull the motor out right?

Still better than an all-plastic guide, that gets brittle with heat, and simply snaps.

The D3 A8 4.2 FSI uses the same 079-series V8, but with the same metal guides as the B7 RS4. I haven’t heard of any breaking, nor have I had any come to me for guide replacement.

[itsmatt33]

Still better than an all-plastic guide, that gets brittle with heat, and simply snaps.

The D3 A8 4.2 FSI uses the same 079-series V8, but with the same metal guides as the B7 RS4. I haven’t heard of any breaking, nor have I had any come to me for guide replacement.

yea i dont know a single rs4 owner that had timing issues. though i do know quite a few that blow their motors with the apr super charger v1

[jonan]

yea i dont know a single rs4 owner that had timing issues. though i do know quite a few that blow their motors with the apr super charger v1

lol, we skipped the timing issues and blow our motors on flaps, screws, and bad injectors (all much easier to prevent than a failing timing chain)...

[ralleyquattro]

Sorry for a dumb question but wtf is BAT.... I only know it as Bring A Trailer.. LOL

[itsmatt33]

Sorry for a dumb question but wtf is BAT.... I only know it as Bring A Trailer.. LOL

bt- big turbo
bat- big ass turbo
bamft- big ass mo fo turbo

[DarkoNova]

I am only teasing. It was always just so funny to me how many people in the FB community would get so riled up about them and had no clue as to the technology behind them. Even after showing them testing and certifications they still argued. These harnesses have always been a point of contention on auto forums but i always remind people that Schroth is a multi million dollar company. The last thing they would ever do would be to put a product on the market without research, testing and certification that would potentially expose them to legal liability

Interesting. Seems you've done more research than I did. I was just going off of what Takata and Autopower say, which is anything over 45° from parallel isn't recommended.

It's interesting that different companies that make the same group of products have different views on the subject.

Regardless, clean interior you have, there.

[AJacksA4]

Its like comparing apples to oranges imo. Do you want a sudden burst of explosive power, or a more gradual waft that pulls hard from any rpm. My daily is a GT3071r B6, and my RS the weekend car. They have totally different personalities. At this point my b6 is a good amount faster than the RS, but that high revving smooth V8 puts a smile on my face every time I start it up.

Fuel economy wise, the a4 obliterates. The RS gets shitty milage from the get go, but you always wanna put your foot down in every situation you can. It doesn't help that I have a catless/unresonated exhaust either, I just wanna hear it all the time . I'm lucky to get 240miles to display after a fill up.

Both are great choices. Deadly weapons you can daily, but very different. If you want a V8 Audi, the RS4 is the way to go.

Oh and BAT B6's are very reliable if you do them right. It's proven to be more reliable than when I was stock/F21.

[b6Hate4]

bt- big turbo
bat- big ass turbo
bamft- big ass mo fo turbo

And to an even further explantion-

gt28rs-GT3071r = Big turbo
GT3076R/ Pte5858 size = Big ass turbo
GT3582R/ 6262 = Big ass mf turbo

[vinny.dtw]

For a daily? B7 RS4. For a toy, BAT A4.

I agree with noise that the RS4 is great. But my lord is that car slow as fuck for what it sounds like.