Thoughts on the wheel ceramic coating I had done...

[Diesel S5]

Waste of damn money...

Either that or the brake pads are the friggen worst ever for dusting...

Washed the car yesterday, drove oh like 30 miles and wheels are covered in dust... 🙄🙄

Furthermore they weren’t any “easier to clean”, still had to scrub them...

[wkhanna]

what brand did you use?

i just last night finished doing my V-FF 102's with CQuartz Dlux .....

while the coatings will not prevent a lot dust from building up, they should make cleaning V easy.....

[RVJ]

Odd. Brand? Did you coat them or a detailer?

As was mentioned, coating doesn’t prevent dust buildup (still need a low dust pad) but it makes it super easy to clean. Both of my sets of wheels are coated and soap / water and a wash mitt is all I need to clean them.


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[Diesel S5]

Went to a detailer for the coating...

[mikedizzzo]

I have ceramic pro 9H and it’s so easy to clean


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[snocat17]

Waste of damn money...

Either that or the brake pads are the friggen worst ever for dusting...

Washed the car yesterday, drove oh like 30 miles and wheels are covered in dust... 🙄🙄

Furthermore they weren’t any “easier to clean”, still had to scrub them...

What kind of pads do you have?

[T_Glass_27]

I don't wanna post where I work because we aren't a sponsor here but I work for a large wheel company. We partnered with a ceramic coating installer to offer with our wheels. After installing the coating on several of our employees vehicles, we decided against offering the service as the results were nominal at best. We had 2 wheels done on one car and didn't do the other 2 as a test. The employee couldn't tell us which ones were coated and which weren't.

[wkhanna]

can you tell us which type/brand of coating?

[snocat17]

I don't wanna post where I work because we aren't a sponsor here but I work for a large wheel company. We partnered with a ceramic coating installer to offer with our wheels. After installing the coating on several of our employees vehicles, we decided against offering the service as the results were nominal at best. We had 2 wheels done on one car and didn't do the other 2 as a test. The employee couldn't tell us which ones were coated and which weren't.

I'm a Metallurgical Engineer and I can tell you ceramic coatings on metal substrates are very difficult. The metal surface needs to be engineered properly so the ceramic will adhere sufficiently for the desired result.

[wkhanna]

I'm a Metallurgical Engineer and I can tell you ceramic coatings on metal substrates are very difficult. The metal surface needs to be engineered properly so the ceramic will adhere sufficiently for the desired result.

agreed, surface prep is a vital component.....

.....but are not most wheels clear-coated?

[marguello1220]

In my experience with my GTechniq C5 wheel armor. The build-up is roughly the same. Cleaning is where it shines. All I use is the pressure washer and there's no visible dust remaining.

A5 brakes aren't as dusty as S5 though..

[Diesel S5]

I don't wanna post where I work because we aren't a sponsor here but I work for a large wheel company. We partnered with a ceramic coating installer to offer with our wheels. After installing the coating on several of our employees vehicles, we decided against offering the service as the results were nominal at best. We had 2 wheels done on one car and didn't do the other 2 as a test. The employee couldn't tell us which ones were coated and which weren't.

Real talk...

[Diesel S5]

What kind of pads do you have?

[altobeast]

Replace the OEM with Hawk, that'll solve the problem, it's not the coating it's probably the most highly dusting pads ever made.

[wkhanna]

this!
oem pads are notorious for dust..... nasty stuff.....

[F80Dreamer]

I just put a coat of Gyeon Rim on a few days ago and I noticed with my simple garden hose most of the brake dust went away...so am hoping all I will need to do is just soap and water, but we'll see.

[JamesRS5]

Waste of damn money...

Either that or the brake pads are the friggen worst ever for dusting...

Washed the car yesterday, drove oh like 30 miles and wheels are covered in dust... 🙄🙄

Furthermore they weren’t any “easier to clean”, still had to scrub them...

Applying a coating to wheels, be it a regular wax or a ceramic coating doesn’t magically reduce the amount of dust your brakes produce, that said, they should be much much easier to clean with a true ceramic coating applied correctly. I suspect your coating was either not applied correctly or is a dealership junk coating.

[S5Toks]

Sucks to hear bruh, did he charge you extra for the wheels?

I have ceramic pro. Dust sprays off in the wash bay.

When you next park for the night, clean the dust off and Try adding some hydrophobic wax (meguiars or Griot's garage have some decent options).

[RVJ]

I suspect your coating was either not applied correctly or is a dealership junk coating.

I hate to say it but this is kind of what I’m thinking as well. I’m sure it’s very frustrating. A few things:

1. What did they tell you was used specifically? Not all coatings are equal.

2. How were the wheels prepared? Just like with paint, the wheels need to be cleaned and prepped properly in order for the coating to adhere correctly.

3. Did they give you a cure time? Some coatings take a week to fully cure. Since wheels take so much more abuse in terms of abrasive dust it is better to let them sit off of the car until fully cured.

I can tell you from my own experience, coating, properly applied and cured, makes a big difference. Last spring I picked up VFF 103’s in carbon graphite. I put them on the car (it was already warm and I was impatient) and didn’t coat them. Dust and cleaning sucked (same pads as are on the car now). Over the winter I had them coated and the difference this year is night and day.

If you can answer those questions, maybe we can figure out where this went wrong and suggest a solution.


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[ChaserBBS]

ceramic Pro On my 3 piece rotiform. Day & night.

[gqambitions]

ceramic pro on my rotor wheels and literally the best thing I have had done

[JamesRS5]

I'm a Metallurgical Engineer and I can tell you ceramic coatings on metal substrates are very difficult. The metal surface needs to be engineered properly so the ceramic will adhere sufficiently for the desired result.

The ceramic bonds to the paint on the wheels and this is the very important step in the application, the wheels must be absolutely clean and degreased, I would recommend washing with a iron remover to remover all traces of brake dust, then dishwashing soap to make sure they are degreased and then using a panel wipe to ensure any previous waxes are fully removed, only then should you apply it to the raw paint. Failure to prep the paint will just cause failure of the coating.

I’ve just completed a 6 day detail on a Porsche 1965 912 and applied Gyeon Syncro coatings, I applied the leftover Mohs coating to the wheels as it’s a better product then the Gyeon Rim and will last longer.
*Boeing Engineer by day, Certified detailer by night!

[kjeeper10]

Anyone try Ferrex on wheels? Its not a coating rather cleaner and it blows any other cleaner away. Shits amazing makes cleaning painless.

[wkhanna]

as i mentioned above, coated my new wheels two weeks ago.......

...went to the coin-wash today..... swiped them with the wand on soap setting.... let stand for a few minutes...... then used the wand again on rinse setting......

dried w/ microfiber towel.....

just the slightest hint of dirt on the towel when i was finished.

call me a believer.......

[ICU2]

The ceramic bonds to the paint on the wheels and this is the very important step in the application, the wheels must be absolutely clean and degreased, I would recommend washing with a iron remover to remover all traces of brake dust, then dishwashing soap to make sure they are degreased and then using a panel wipe to ensure any previous waxes are fully removed, only then should you apply it to the raw paint. Failure to prep the paint will just cause failure of the coating.

I’ve just completed a 6 day detail on a Porsche 1965 912 and applied Gyeon Syncro coatings, I applied the leftover Mohs coating to the wheels as it’s a better product then the Gyeon Rim and will last longer.
*Boeing Engineer by day, Certified detailer by night!

Mohs w/a “harder “ ceramic coating than the Gyeon, is this what makes it “better” than the Gyeon? Used the Gyeon last year for my summers & ~ to re-apply same before mounting summers again. Was/is it just marketing that the Gyeon is made specifically for the wheels ? (I think I remember something ~ “specifically formulated d/t the higher heat from the brakes”?)

[happy2B5]

Akebono Euro ceramic pads = very little need for ceramic coating of wheels.

[JamesRS5]

Mohs w/a “harder “ ceramic coating than the Gyeon, is this what makes it “better” than the Gyeon? Used the Gyeon last year for my summers & ~ to re-apply same before mounting summers again. Was/is it just marketing that the Gyeon is made specifically for the wheels ? (I think I remember something ~ “specifically formulated d/t the higher heat from the brakes”?)

I’m struggling to decipher your text/code speak here ICU. Both Mohs and Rim are Gyeon products but if you put them on a scale of good, better, best then the Rim would be better and Mohs would be best. They are all perfectly ok at the temperatures produced by the brakes, the Mohs is just a superior product to Rim.
I had a 50ml bottle of Mohs in the Synchro kit so had enough left over to coat the outer face of the wheels, ideally I would coat the barrels too but the customer hadn’t requested wheels to be coated, however they had paid for the products so I thought it would be a waste not to use it.

[wkhanna]

Akebono Euro ceramic pads = very little need for ceramic coating of wheels.

aside from pad dust, there is general road grime, dirt, greasy film, et. al.
...why not make cleaning orders of magnitudes easier, especial on barrels & intricately patterned wheels?

plus, i do not need wheel cleaner, now..... or the worries of getting their aggressive chems on my paint sealants....

[happy2B5]

True enough. Just saying a major component to keeping wheels clean is greatly simplified with low dust pad compounds. There is a trade off in other areas such as initial braking bite and such. I have generally found keeping wheels clean pretty easy once eliminating dusty brakes.

[wkhanna]

True enough. Just saying a major component to keeping wheels clean is greatly simplified with low dust pad compounds. There is a trade off in other areas such as initial braking bite and such.

fully understand & agree

i happen to lean more towards performance, specially when it comes to braking.
going to try the sportech performance pads next week when i swap out the A5 binders for the S5 calipers, rotors & pads.....
hoping i dont sacrifice too much cold bite....

[happy2B5]

While the akebono may give up some initial bite, I find once they are fully bedded and warm, the linear feel is welcomed and the almost zero dust is well worth it. Have always enjoyed them and they are more than up to the task for street driven car no matter how spirited I may drive. Never felt I was really sacrificing any overall braking performance. Even on my old stoptech st40 setup on a 440/475 whp/tq B5 S4 I was running simple posi-quiet pads that replaced the street sport pads because I did not like the dusting. Probably my favorite street performance pads have been carbotech bobcat 1521's.

Admittedly, I might be behind the times with this ceramic coating stuff. Have two kits of cquartz UK waiting to use though. I have used dp wheel wax years ago. Worked ok I guess.

[wkhanna]

i have yet to hear anyone who has tried akebono say they were not pleased.
I am sure there is V good reason!

for my application... I do nearly 80% of my miles in the city on my 10 mile round trip work commute.
...a foot or two could make all the dif in a panic-stop on dead -cold brakes to me.

[ICU2]

I’m struggling to decipher your text/code speak here ICU. Both Mohs and Rim are Gyeon products but if you put them on a scale of good, better, best then the Rim would be better and Mohs would be best. They are all perfectly ok at the temperatures produced by the brakes, the Mohs is just a superior product to Rim.
I had a 50ml bottle of Mohs in the Synchro kit so had enough left over to coat the outer face of the wheels, ideally I would coat the barrels too but the customer hadn’t requested wheels to be coated, however they had paid for the products so I thought it would be a waste not to use it.

Sorry about the use of characters, to much of the work related abbreviations filter over into the personal side of life. Wasn’t aware that Mohs made both, I honestly thought that they we 2 different products from 2 different manufacturers. I have used & will re-apply the Gyeon Rim product from last year on my summer set of wheels, worked like a charm. Is the Mohs what you used to coat your car? In case you are interested, w/a means with a, ~ means about or approximately depending on the context of the sentence.

[wkhanna]

work related abbreviations

curious as to what industry you work in..... i understood all & now i am worried... lol.....

[JamesRS5]

My car is currently wearing Kamikaze Collection ‘Film Coat’ over the Xpel Ultimate PPF and I have gtechniq C5 and Exo on the wheels.

I’ve just detailed a 1975 Porsche 911 which I coated in Gyeon Synchro, this a system made up of Mohs+ as the base/hard coat and Skin which is the hydrophobic layer on top, that’s a really nice system, goes down well and offers great protection. I had enough Mohs left in the bottle to do the wheels.