what springs are you using on your rs3 (mag ride)

[saxon]

Looks like i will need to lower the car to have it sit properly with my wheels.

what options are available that retain stock ride quality but lower the car about an inch or so

and NO i dont want to pay a tax for the Mss kits that sell for much cheaper over seas

[ScottyT555]

Looks like i will need to lower the car to have it sit properly with my wheels.

what options are available that retain stock ride quality but lower the car about an inch or so

and NO i dont want to pay a tax for the Mss kits that sell for much cheaper over seas

MSS.


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[Thibs]

I bought my MSS kit directly from them. Is that not an option anymore?

[saxon]

I bought my MSS kit directly from them. Is that not an option anymore?

not in the usa, redirected to xlr8 who "owns" the market and as such can charge whatever they want

[ahyeah]

Bummer, the springs are $1200?? I could have sworn they were half that previously.

[Dubonfire]

H&R Spring are great for the price. No rubbing 19x8.5 ET40 with 8mm spacer 4 corners

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[saxon]

H&R Spring are great for the price. No rubbing 19x8.5 ET40 with 8mm spacer 4 corners

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what size and brand of tire?

[Dubonfire]

Oem Pirelli Square 235 35 19

from my experience, Continental will look the same and Michelin tend to be wider.

[jl87]

Seemed the consensus on the FB group was the H&R's are very stiff, how do you think the ride is on them?

[Dubonfire]

They are OK, i always run the car in dynamic mode unless the road is crappy. I have been running the setup for only 4 days but the comfort mode equal something between normal or dynamic. Next step for me will be a sway bar kit.

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[J_3_f_f]

H&R Spring are great for the price. No rubbing 19x8.5 ET40 with 8mm spacer 4 corners

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That looks . We have similar taste.


I had a chance to ride my buddy’s RS3 with H&R (less than 300 miles since install) vs mine with MSS (3000 miles since install). Ride on MSS is definitely better but H&R was tolerable (ymmv).

As far as cost is worth the difference, that is very subjective. I would say for the ride characteristics and comfort, MSS is worth the price but that might be different for other people.


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[jwil]

Bummer, the springs are $1200?? I could have sworn they were half that previously.

The are ridiculously priced. Hopefully another distributor pops up soon.

[seanix9]

The are ridiculously priced. Hopefully another distributor pops up soon.

kW just did.
Similar concept with height adjustable springs and cheaper than MSS.

Although MSS uses Eibach springs who are the leaders in this field.



2016 RS3 SB. 2015 A4. 2018 RS3 Sedan

[jwil]

kW just did.
Similar concept with height adjustable springs and cheaper than MSS.

Although MSS uses Eibach springs who are the leaders in this field.



2016 RS3 SB. 2015 A4. 2018 RS3 Sedan

Link?

There’s nothing on their product pages about that.

[davebeats]

I'm using H+R, feels stock to me

[SkyDude]

APR

[FuzzyHat]

MSS.


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Scotty, do you have MSS? I want to get a real world comparison before deciding on which I want to go with. Right now its up to H&R and MSS, but MSS is like $1000+ more. So want to make sure.

[ScottyT555]

Scotty, do you have MSS? I want to get a real world comparison before deciding on which I want to go with. Right now its up to H&R and MSS, but MSS is like $1000+ more. So want to make sure.

I have them ordered so should have them within a couple weeks. As soon as I do we can meet up and go for a ride. The main reason I went with MSS (other than the extremely positive feedback from everyone that has them) is the height adjustability. Since I’m going with 20” wheels I wanted to make sure I could really dial it in and go as low as possible without rubbing.


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[meticulist]

Link?

There’s nothing on their product pages about that.

http://blog-int.kwautomotive.net/kw-...l-audi-rs3-8v/

[rex_racer]

kW just did.
Similar concept with height adjustable springs and cheaper than MSS.

Although MSS uses Eibach springs who are the leaders in this field.



2016 RS3 SB. 2015 A4. 2018 RS3 Sedan

Not trying to push the MSS Kit, but the KW kit although similar is very different from the MSS Kit design. The KW kit uses a helper spring in the rear to keep the main spring seated. It has no bearing on spring rate. The KW kit is essentially an adjustable height basic lowering kit.

The MSS Kit uses a progressive tender rear spring in addition to the linear rate rear spring. This means that the rear actually has 3 spring rates. The first spring rate is completely collapsed and only activates when the rear drops into a pothole. The secondary rate is the rate that the car typically drives on and is "softer," easier for daily driver. The third rate comes in to play when the car rolls enough and collapses the secondary rate, the final rate now takes over and gives the car added rotation/weight handling capability. The progressive tender is not a cheap spring. KW likely sees massive economies of scale, but something to keep in mind.

Out of curiosity, what do you all think is a reasonable price for this? The adjusters are not cheap, nor is all the additional springs and couplers, that all adds to the price. What kind of ride height range is acceptable? Keep in mind, going too low is going to bottom the shock and will ride poorly regardless of who makes the kit.

[OE2]

Not trying to start an argument but using dual springs off of a coilover set up hasn't really been proven to do anything better than a progressive spring. Here is a really good read on dual springs and how to use them http://shocktherapyst.com/the-truth-...-rate-springs/
Basically without a way to stop travel on the softer spring you end up somewhere in the middle on rate and compression. I have stated I would love to have a video of the MSS set up to see how these springs are actually reacting under load.

[uclaman]

Do these springs also work for us RS3s with dynamic plus?

[ScottyT555]

Do these springs also work for us RS3s with dynamic plus?

They absolutely do. Malaka (George) has them on his RS3 with D+ and loves them.


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[uclaman]

What is the difference between all the MSS kits? Theres sport packs and track packs? Maybe I just missed the explanations on the website?

[saxon]

What is the difference between all the MSS kits? Theres sport packs and track packs? Maybe I just missed the explanations on the website?

from my understanding, the track pack just gives adjustable height in the front as well

[ScottyT555]

from my understanding, the track pack just gives adjustable height in the front as well

Not entirely accurate. Sport and track are very similar and both allow for height adjustment but the track front springs allow for an additional 10mm of ride height adjustment. There’s definitely more explanation on the website.


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[uclaman]

Nm. Found it.




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[uclaman]

But then what is the 'LS track pack vs regular track pack?!

[jl87]

LS is stiffer than the track pack.

[rex_racer]

Not trying to start an argument but using dual springs off of a coilover set up hasn't really been proven to do anything better than a progressive spring. Here is a really good read on dual springs and how to use them http://shocktherapyst.com/the-truth-...-rate-springs/
Basically without a way to stop travel on the softer spring you end up somewhere in the middle on rate and compression. I have stated I would love to have a video of the MSS set up to see how these springs are actually reacting under load.

A multi spring arrangement is very similar to a progressive spring, but has one main difference. In a progressive spring the rate has more of a bell curve. The rate tends to amplify pretty quickly. As a user you are not able to tune when the next spring rate comes into play. In a stacked arrangement the user can tune when the rate transitions via the use of different main springs, or more forcibly through a crossover ring to stop spring travel. In the case of the MSS kit, the progressive tender does in fact coilbind and place you into the main spring. It doesn't take much additional load, the tender is nearly at coilbind at static. Using a progressive tender means the rear has a third rate which is helpful for providing an even softer rate for pothole additional absorbtion. The stacked arrangement provides for a linear rate as you move through the spring travel. It has less of a smooth/sharp rate, and more of a straightened path as you coilbind. Tuned correctly this can give a more pleasant ride quality as it ramps up.

The main benefit is really on bumpier circuits, where the car can ride on a softer rate and maintain composure before moving into the main rate to control body motion. Think Sebring International, super bumpy circuit where you need both compliance and control. Unfortunately the MSS Kit doesn't employ this same stacked arrangement on the axle doing the steering, ie the front. This would have amplified grip.

Do these springs also work for us RS3s with dynamic plus?

If you already have Dynamic Plus, it would be much easier to switch to a complete coilover kit. The MSS Kit option provides for great spring balance, but does not give you a shortened shock to cope with being lower. Nothing worse than getting into a corner and hitting the stops.

[uclaman]

If you already have Dynamic Plus, it would be much easier to switch to a complete coilover kit. The MSS Kit option provides for great spring balance, but does not give you a shortened shock to cope with being lower. Nothing worse than getting into a corner and hitting the stops.

Ah That makes sense.

Which coilover setups are currently available for the RS3?

[OE2]

A multi spring arrangement is very similar to a progressive spring, but has one main difference. In a progressive spring the rate has more of a bell curve. The rate tends to amplify pretty quickly. As a user you are not able to tune when the next spring rate comes into play. In a stacked arrangement the user can tune when the rate transitions via the use of different main springs, or more forcibly through a crossover ring to stop spring travel. In the case of the MSS kit, the progressive tender does in fact coilbind and place you into the main spring. It doesn't take much additional load, the tender is nearly at coilbind at static. Using a progressive tender means the rear has a third rate which is helpful for providing an even softer rate for pothole additional absorbtion. The stacked arrangement provides for a linear rate as you move through the spring travel. It has less of a smooth/sharp rate, and more of a straightened path as you coilbind. Tuned correctly this can give a more pleasant ride quality as it ramps up.

The main benefit is really on bumpier circuits, where the car can ride on a softer rate and maintain composure before moving into the main rate to control body motion. Think Sebring International, super bumpy circuit where you need both compliance and control. Unfortunately the MSS Kit doesn't employ this same stacked arrangement on the axle doing the steering, ie the front. This would have amplified grip.



If you already have Dynamic Plus, it would be much easier to switch to a complete coilover kit. The MSS Kit option provides for great spring balance, but does not give you a shortened shock to cope with being lower. Nothing worse than getting into a corner and hitting the stops.

I know how it works, my question is does the MSS kit with the divorced set up actually do something more than a well thought out progressive spring in the rear. In the link i shared the best way to run dual springs is to actually have them on the strut and have a form of travel stopper for the 1st spring to then bring in the spring rate of the second. I do not know how the lack of that functionality impacts the rear. I have used the link i shared above to discuss with both ground control and hyperco and both can't initially understand what benefit it's providing.

this is why i say I would love to see a video of the rear suspension in action I would like to understand how MSS is working this out. Of course it doesn't help they refuse to share their spring rates.

[shivaswrath]

Why not MSS?

[Bezlar]

Well I guess cost. Most spring sets are usually only couple hundred dollars.


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[WAF]

Personally i would go with MSS and pay a lil bit. KW HAS kit is not in the same league as MSS, but that my personal opinion.

[Campblett]

Just went through this debate with myself. I went with the MSS kit. Getting it installed on Saturday I cant wait! The way I see it is these are double the cost of springs but half the cost of coilovers for this platform and allow me to retain my adjustable suspension while getting the benefit of dialing in my own height settings.

[weepingwillow]

I'm getting abt tomorrow.

[WAF]

I'm getting abt tomorrow.

Interesting where are you picking these up at? I haven't heard much from ABT, but they are big across the pond.

[weepingwillow]

Interesting where are you picking these up at? I haven't heard much from ABT, but they are big across the pond.

Paul@Supremepower ordered them

[WAF]

Paul@Supremepower ordered them

Thanks, hopefully you can give some insight on them once you've have them on.