MSS springs on RS3

[PeteJ]

Anybody in the Chicago/Milwaukee area have the MSS springs installed with the MAG ride equiped RS3? I'm thinking about it but don't want to kill the daily driver characteristics....If so let me know I'd love to take a ride and see how it feels vs my car before I upgrade.

[FuzzyHat]

Anybody in the Chicago/Milwaukee area have the MSS springs installed with the MAG ride equiped RS3? I'm thinking about it but don't want to kill the daily driver characteristics....If so let me know I'd love to take a ride and see how it feels vs my car before I upgrade.

I’m also interested. I might do it in summer but don’t know yet. I will let you know if you haven’t heard back.


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[brotherssavage]

I'm also interested on ride characteristics because I'd like the ability to still change the suspension dynamics on my crap NJ roads. I also am curious of those with them, who has done the calibration, and if that has any affect.

[shivaswrath]

Loving them on NJ...installed and purchased through excELERATE...IMG_6155.JPGIMG_6158.JPGIMG_6163.JPGIMG_6166.JPG

I had them adjust so the take is even..probably won't mess with it much until I do an initial HPDE and get comfortable with the rebound range.
For daily driving it's been slightly more comfortable in comfort and more aggressive in dynamic....

[OE2]

These things really fascinate me. Every other dual spring set up has been a true coilover, and that's the only way it's been proven effective. I would just love to have a camera under someones car to see how this set up works under load.

[XLR8 Craig]

These things really fascinate me. Every other dual spring set up has been a true coilover, and that's the only way it's been proven effective. I would just love to have a camera under someones car to see how this set up works under load.

You read my mind, will be a different platform, but Ill be strapping the go pro to my car (MK7) when the weather clears up a little bit. :)

[meticulist]

The MSS option looks to be the best option at this time for those of us with mag ride, but I'm still a little hesitant about if mag ride re-calibration is a thing or is needed? Has anyone been able to get a more official word on what that does, and/or if the car will adapt on its own over time, or if it's just placebo etc?

[Potatohead_RS3]

The MSS option looks to be the best option at this time for those of us with mag ride, but I'm still a little hesitant about if mag ride re-calibration is a thing or is needed? Has anyone been able to get a more official word on what that does, and/or if the car will adapt on its own over time, or if it's just placebo etc?

Read this thread from post #61 onward.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ight=calibrate

[veearrsix]

I had MSS springs on my MK7 Golf R. FWIW the ride was fantastic. Prior to the MSS kit I was running VWR springs which were terrible. The ride on the MSS kit was very comparable to stock from a comfort level. I mainly kept the car in comfort mode and it performed wonderfully. I did find when hitting potholes and such that they were very stiff, would make terrible noises inside the car, but that is what you'd expect with lowered suspension. Heavily considering getting another set of MSS springs to lower My RS3 once it arrives.

That said, it was very nice to have to not worry as much about potholes once I did go back to the stock springs. But man do our cars look so much better without that terrible wheel gap.

[John P.]

I had MSS springs on my MK7 Golf R. FWIW the ride was fantastic. Prior to the MSS kit I was running VWR springs which were terrible. The ride on the MSS kit was very comparable to stock from a comfort level. I mainly kept the car in comfort mode and it performed wonderfully. I did find when hitting potholes and such that they were very stiff, would make terrible noises inside the car, but that is what you'd expect with lowered suspension. Heavily considering getting another set of MSS springs to lower My RS3 once it arrives.

That said, it was very nice to have to not worry as much about potholes once I did go back to the stock springs. But man do our cars look so much better without that terrible wheel gap.

Your statement sum up my experience in the RS3. I’m as low as the front track springs will go in the front.

[iceman302]

Your statement sum up my experience in the RS3. I’m as low as the front track springs will go in the front.

The MSS springs advertise better than stock ride quality. Are you both saying that you experience significant impact harshness over large potholes and bumps?

[John P.]

The MSS springs advertise better than stock ride quality. Are you both saying that you experience significant impact harshness over large potholes and bumps?

They’re wonderful and feel like stock comfort mode. If you hit a big bump, though, you feel it when you’re spun down like I am. Same thing with coilovers in my S5 when you’re slammed.

[iceman302]

They’re wonderful and feel like stock comfort mode. If you hit a big bump, though, you feel it when you’re spun down like I am. Same thing with coilovers in my S5 when you’re slammed.

Thanks for the detail. Maybe they’re more forgiving if the drop isn’t maxed out.

[PeteJ]

Anybody track their car with the MSS springs?

[John P.]

Thanks for the detail. Maybe they’re more forgiving if the drop isn’t maxed out.

I would imagine—an extra inch in travel is a big deal.

[shivaswrath]

Anybody track their car with the MSS springs?

Hopefully soon!

[PeteJ]

Hopefully soon!

I'm really curious if they help the "Dive" issue I had at Road America. That alone would be worth it for me. I'm not concerned with slamming the car down, I just want it to be stable when I hit the brakes hard.

[John P.]

I'm really curious if they help the "Dive" issue I had at Road America. That alone would be worth it for me. I'm not concerned with slamming the car down, I just want it to be stable when I hit the brakes hard.

You should hit up William, the founder. He’s super responsive and they have tracked the shit out of RS3s and TTRSs with their springs.

[PeteJ]

You should hit up William, the founder. He’s super responsive and they have tracked the shit out of RS3s and TTRSs with their springs.

William who and founder of what?

[Skunkwerx]

The Founder of MSSKITS.
http://msskits.com/mss-explained/faq...about-mss-kits



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[PeteJ]

The Founder of MSSKITS.
http://msskits.com/mss-explained/faq...about-mss-kits



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DOOH! thanks

[banzrs3]

Also curious to see people impression in city setting with potholes. In chicago this winter its been horrendous.

[skylineguv]

Also curious to see people impression in city setting with potholes. In chicago this winter its been horrendous.

Well, I'm not sure the roads here in Calgary class as horrendous, although we do seem to have a lot more potholes than previous winter seasons. What we do have is a sh1t load of ice and hardpacked snow which creates similar ruts, undulations and sharp depressions in the surface. Bearing in mind I've only been on the MSS kits Track Pack for a couple of weeks now, I am certainly impressed with it so far. Pleasantly surprised in fact, even with all of the positive feedback I've read thus far on the various platforms.

[banzrs3]

anyone have to recalibrate their lights due to the adjusted ride height? ive heard that can be an issue with not field of vision while driving

[shivaswrath]

I'm really curious if they help the "Dive" issue I had at Road America. That alone would be worth it for me. I'm not concerned with slamming the car down, I just want it to be stable when I hit the brakes hard.

From my practical Daily driving experiences, this has been nicely addressed in dynamic mode. That was one major reason I did the springs, I can't deal with tracking a monster truck.
In comfort it's better than stock, MUCH better, but still a little dive since the dampeners are keeping it comfy.

[XLR8 Craig]

I'm really curious if they help the "Dive" issue I had at Road America. That alone would be worth it for me. I'm not concerned with slamming the car down, I just want it to be stable when I hit the brakes hard.

I have been in a few situations that have proved William's dive reduction theory is mind blowing and really allows you to maintain composure when slamming on the brakes when you need to without the car becoming squirmy and unpredictable. You can now carry greater speed through corners and brake later. The elimination of squat is a huge advantage too when shooting out of a corner. The MSS kit harnesses the energy transfer at the point where the rear springs sink the wheels into the fender and applies that energy to planting the rear tires into the ground. Re-purposing that inertia into traction and faster acceleration. Huge advantage. We are seeing multiple seconds shaved and higher track speeds with these kits and even more with the stiffer kits.

Check out George's (NYEuroTuner) videos and Hank Iroz's Car, they are both running MSS Kits. George Runs the Sport Kit and Hank runs the Track Pack 'LS. George will be doing a comprehensive review on the MSS Kit once his kit settles so he can be accurate in his description. Can't wait to see that

I'm not William or an Engineer but I do have a lot of on road experience to give accurate advice. There is no substitute however, William is such a good source of information and he welcomes question of all kinds. He also lacks the need for sleep so don't be surprised if you see an email come through in the middle of the night or 5 minutes after you send it. He is that good.

Always here for information and assistance. If you need William, his email is [email protected]

Cheers,

[email protected]

[PeteJ]

I have been in a few situations that have proved William's dive reduction theory is mind blowing and really allows you to maintain composure when slamming on the brakes when you need to without the car becoming squirmy and unpredictable. You can now carry greater speed through corners and brake later. The elimination of squat is a huge advantage too when shooting out of a corner. The MSS kit harnesses the energy transfer at the point where the rear springs sink the wheels into the fender and applies that energy to planting the rear tires into the ground. Re-purposing that inertia into traction and faster acceleration. Huge advantage. We are seeing multiple seconds shaved and higher track speeds with these kits and even more with the stiffer kits.

Check out George's (NYEuroTuner) videos and Hank Iroz's Car, they are both running MSS Kits. George Runs the Sport Kit and Hank runs the Track Pack 'LS. George will be doing a comprehensive review on the MSS Kit once his kit settles so he can be accurate in his description. Can't wait to see that

I'm not William or an Engineer but I do have a lot of on road experience to give accurate advice. There is no substitute however, William is such a good source of information and he welcomes question of all kinds. He also lacks the need for sleep so don't be surprised if you see an email come through in the middle of the night or 5 minutes after you send it. He is that good.

Always here for information and assistance. If you need William, his email is [email protected]

Cheers,

[email protected]

Too funny, William was almost responding to my e-mails the other before I sent them. He did validate that the upgrade to the "RS7" brakes in the rear had a significant improvement in the dive during hard breaking. I'm one for making incremental improvements and seeing what each one does...Caliper brackets are on order and in April I have my first potential track day to test it.

[hckymstr19]

Too funny, William was almost responding to my e-mails the other before I sent them. He did validate that the upgrade to the "RS7" brakes in the rear had a significant improvement in the dive during hard breaking. I'm one for making incremental improvements and seeing what each one does...Caliper brackets are on order and in April I have my first potential track day to test it.

Any more I do about the rs7 rear brake upgrade? What is needed exactly? This is something I definitely want to do.

[John P.]

Too funny, William was almost responding to my e-mails the other before I sent them. He did validate that the upgrade to the "RS7" brakes in the rear had a significant improvement in the dive during hard breaking. I'm one for making incremental improvements and seeing what each one does...Caliper brackets are on order and in April I have my first potential track day to test it.

Same caliper as the RS3 with different bracket and rotors?

[PeteJ]

Same caliper as the RS3 with different bracket and rotors?

Yes, first I'm going to see if the S6/S7/S8 rear rotors work vs the RS7 rotors. there is a huge price difference and the co-cast rotors are just junk in my opinion.

[ScottyT555]

I’m in the Chicago suburbs as well and looking for someone local to install these on my RS3 within the next month or so. Anyone know a reputable local shop that has installed these before? It doesn’t look like rocket science but would prefer to go to a shop that has experience with them.


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[thebc]

I have roughly 13k miles on the MSS sports spun all the way down. I live in the Boston area and needless to say, the roads are complete ass - but especially during the winter.

In short, they have been phenomenal. Far better than the stock setup, but to be honest, I don’t remember the stock setup so well since it’s been so long:).

I just swapped in the track fronts as I wanted the front a bit lower, and I can’t say it felt any different even going to the tracks.

I did get a full re-alignment and magride recalibration both times. The first time there was a gap of about 3k miles between having put the springs on and getting my alignment and magride calibration. Some have asked if you notice a difference after the recalibration. My experience driving it before/after was that it very slightly took the edge off any medium to hard bumps (if that makes sense). It’s far from essential and just the springs alone make up probably 98% of the overall improvement if I had to subjectively quantify it.


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[ScottyT555]

I have roughly 13k miles on the MSS sports spun all the way down. I live in the Boston area and needless to say, the roads are complete ass - but especially during the winter.

In short, they have been phenomenal. Far better than the stock setup, but to be honest, I don’t remember the stock setup so well since it’s been so long:).

I just swapped in the track fronts as I wanted the front a bit lower, and I can’t say it felt any different even going to the tracks.

I did get a full re-alignment and magride recalibration both times. The first time there was a gap of about 3k miles between having put the springs on and getting my alignment and magride calibration. Some have asked if you notice a difference after the recalibration. My experience driving it before/after was that it very slightly took the edge off any medium to hard bumps (if that makes sense). It’s far from essential and just the springs alone make up probably 98% of the overall improvement if I had to subjectively quantify it.


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Can you post some pics of your car? Would love to see what it looks like at their lowest.


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[thebc]

Can you post some pics of your car? Would love to see what it looks like at their lowest.


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Tons of pics in my build thread. Link is in my sig or search for Gretchen.


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[shivaswrath]

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MSS sport kit after 600 miles

[shivaswrath]

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[2380S4]

I’m in the Chicago suburbs as well and looking for someone local to install these on my RS3 within the next month or so. Anyone know a reputable local shop that has installed these before? It doesn’t look like rocket science but would prefer to go to a shop that has experience with them.


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I would take a look at the regional mid-west forum. There is a shop thread there.

I am not sure how many of these have hit the market in our area with installs, so it may be difficult to fins someone who has installed them.

Depending on your location in the Chicagoland area there are a few shops that have good reputations.

Dynarev NW burbs.. Adams a former tech at Audi Exchange and does this type of work. He's done a couple sets of coilovers for me. He has done 90% of my Audi work over the last 6 years or so.
Mobile 1 in Glenview. No personal experience has a good rep.
GRD western burbs. They have a RS3 house car, but they work mostly with APR so they most likely have their springs.
Komet SW Burbs. No expereince

Then check the regional there are more. Hope that helps.

Also hoping for more reviews on these, as when my RS3 gets here this will be my first performance mod... Good reviews continuing.

[ScottyT555]

I would take a look at the regional mid-west forum. There is a shop thread there.

I am not sure how many of these have hit the market in our area with installs, so it may be difficult to fins someone who has installed them.

Depending on your location in the Chicagoland area there are a few shops that have good reputations.

Dynarev NW burbs.. Adams a former tech at Audi Exchange and does this type of work. He's done a couple sets of coilovers for me. He has done 90% of my Audi work over the last 6 years or so.
Mobile 1 in Glenview. No personal experience has a good rep.
GRD western burbs. They have a RS3 house car, but they work mostly with APR so they most likely have their springs.
Komet SW Burbs. No expereince

Then check the regional there are more. Hope that helps.

Also hoping for more reviews on these, as when my RS3 gets here this will be my first performance mod... Good reviews continuing.

Thanks man. This is great info. GRD is 10 minutes from me and I am going to call them tomorrow and see what they say. I’ve heard good things about them as well but you’re right, they’re primarily APR so we’ll see.


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[FuzzyHat]

Thanks man. This is great info. GRD is 10 minutes from me and I am going to call them tomorrow and see what they say. I’ve heard good things about them as well but you’re right, they’re primarily APR so we’ll see.


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GRD is awesome so far. I’ve been in contact with them. Talking about MSS, Iroz, Unitronic and APR. Their shop car will most likely be all APR and already has their springs installed. They also installed Milltek Bypass pipes. They can get a bunch of products from different brands just need to ask.

Adrian has been super helpful so far even though my car is stuck at port still.


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[weepingwillow]

Is there any difference between sports or track?