APR Roll-Control Lowering Springs Now Available (RS3 Sedan)

[Arin@APR]

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APR Roll-Control Lowering Springs are designed to improve handling while delivering a stylish visual upgrade to the vehicle. This simple, yet effective upgrade lowers the vehicle’s center of gravity, giving it an attractive new stance, while remaining fully compatible with the OEM dampers. In doing so, body roll is reduced and handling improves without sacrificing ride quality or greatly impacting the life of the OEM dampers. Each spring is manufactured using premium material and the latest high-end techniques to ensure they resist sagging, and withstand harsh track conditions for years to come.

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[SkyDude]

Install price at APR in Opelika?

[Arin@APR]

Install price at APR in Opelika?

Give us a call: 334 502 5181

[crazytex21]

Install price at APR in Opelika?

Making all kinds of gains. Let me know when you go down, I may tag along.

[Gurds7]

I am disappointed to see APR didn't develop springs specifically for the RS3. True engineering requires a dedicated spring set for the specific car. These are recycled S3 springs with the same part number, despite the significant weight difference, front-rear balance, and stock spring/damper differences between the S3 and RS3. Like many aftermarket springs, these will lower the vehicle, but will take away suspension travel, more than likely take a slight step down in both ride and handling despite claims to the contrary. Audi spent a lot of time from the factory fine tuning the RS3 suspension to handle significantly different than the S3 (I know, I had one before the RS3). Installing these will throw off that balance.

[Arin@APR]

I am disappointed

I'm not. We tracked the ever living hell out of these springs at Road Atlanta and loved them. No rubbing. No fault codes. They just worked and we didn't see any reason to change anything. Interestingly enough, according to ETKA, the S3 and the RS3 do share spring part numbers on some models. There's about 40 or so variations, so if someone out there is selling 40 or so different lowering spring setups for the same vehicles, I applaud them.

[XLR8 Craig]

I'm not. We tracked the ever living hell out of these springs at Road Atlanta and loved them. No rubbing. No fault codes. They just worked and we didn't see any reason to change anything. Interestingly enough, according to ETKA, the S3 and the RS3 do share spring part numbers on some models. There's about 40 or so variations, so if someone out there is selling 40 or so different lowering spring setups for the same vehicles, I applaud them.

If you take a 350lb body builder and a 130lb soaking wet driver and place them in the same car, you've just change the dynamic here! Power to weight ratio isn't the same anymore with the extra lbs hanging off the front of the other guy. Happy to see the RS3 product line grow.. that orange is something else!

[OE2]

Curious on the APR stance on the Magride recalibration. Arin do you guys think it's worth it with your springs (or in general)?

[GT-ER]

I am disappointed to see APR didn't develop springs specifically for the RS3. True engineering requires a dedicated spring set for the specific car. These are recycled S3 springs with the same part number, despite the significant weight difference, front-rear balance, and stock spring/damper differences between the S3 and RS3. Like many aftermarket springs, these will lower the vehicle, but will take away suspension travel, more than likely take a slight step down in both ride and handling despite claims to the contrary. Audi spent a lot of time from the factory fine tuning the RS3 suspension to handle significantly different than the S3 (I know, I had one before the RS3). Installing these will throw off that balance.

There is like a 100lb weight difference and the weight distribution difference isn't large enough to matter.

[WAF]

I'm not. We tracked the ever living hell out of these springs at Road Atlanta and loved them. No rubbing. No fault codes. They just worked and we didn't see any reason to change anything. Interestingly enough, according to ETKA, the S3 and the RS3 do share spring part numbers on some models. There's about 40 or so variations, so if someone out there is selling 40 or so different lowering spring setups for the same vehicles, I applaud them.

doesn't mean it's right if two seperate cars one some models have the same spring, it's called lazy engineering. Just grab of the shelf that will do.... no rub check no fault code check, job done next... I'll keep my money for something that took time to develop per application no a one size fits all product.

If you take a 350lb body builder and a 130lb soaking wet driver and place them in the same car, you've just change the dynamic here! Power to weight ratio isn't the same anymore with the extra lbs hanging off the front of the other guy. Happy to see the RS3 product line grow.. that orange is something else!

This is the proper way to look at it. Design per application end story.

[Arin@APR]

Lazy or not, we track tested the springs and didn't have any desire to change them. Not for you? Save up for generic coilovers or something.

[WAF]

I'm not. We tracked the ever living hell out of these springs at Road Atlanta and loved them. No rubbing. No fault codes. They just worked and we didn't see any reason to change anything. Interestingly enough, according to ETKA, the S3 and the RS3 do share spring part numbers on some models. There's about 40 or so variations, so if someone out there is selling 40 or so different lowering spring setups for the same vehicles, I applaud them.

Lazy or not, we track tested the springs and didn't have any desire to change them. Not for you? Save up for generic coilovers or something.

No they aren't for me for the reasons stated above. I don't need to "Save up for generic coilovers or something." my finances are just fine thanks for your implication dully noted.

[Arin@APR]

“Save up” wasn’t implying anything negative about your finances, just the difference in price. I apologize for the post coming off that way.

[SkyDude]

I'm getting these. Funny that there is no outrage about the 'Other' kit that is the same for S3 and RS3..That one is 4 times more expensive.

[Potatohead_RS3]

I'm getting these. Funny that there is no outrage about the 'Other' kit that is the same for S3 and RS3..That one is 4 times more expensive.

I truly didn't know companies were doing that, I thought they were certainly different because of weight difference. Arin said Audi has 40 PN#'s which goes to show how important they think it is. I don't expect APR to have that many of course and if they are happy enough to offer that product for that car, that is totally up to them. It it was me even if it was the same part I would change the number and slightly alter the printing on the spring or something, because optics.

Meanwhile other companies like H&R have a specific PN# for the RS3.

[J_3_f_f]

I truly didn't know companies were doing that, I thought they were certainly different because of weight difference. Arin said Audi has 40 PN#'s which goes to show how important they think it is. I don't expect APR to have that many of course and if they are happy enough to offer that product for that car, that is totally up to them. It it was me even if it was the same part I would change the number and slightly alter the printing on the spring or something, because optics.

Meanwhile other companies like H&R have a specific PN# for the RS3.

I think you misunderstood the intention of Arin. You have ONE car model, RS3 and somehow Audi has 40 different various parts number that can be interchangeable for springs for various cars. There is NOTHING wrong w/ having parts that work for various models.

Quite honestly, you talk to any engineers - you scale and develop your product that would be suited for various applications (in this instance, different models). I am not quite sure why people are making a big deal out of this. As APR stated, they have TESTED and saw no reason to change anything.

Personally, I would not put anything H&R on my car. You can look up several reviews of their products (specifically to F80 M3 as that's what I had), and they were not good at all. Too stiff and VERY BOUNCY. I would rather give APR a shot than H&R. Or you can go w/ MSS like I did. :P

[Potatohead_RS3]

40 springs which I would imagine are for the MQB chassis in general. Whether or not the S3/RS3 use different springs is another question. I also have a Jeep Wrangler and I know there are six or eight sets of springs Jeep uses for those, depending on configuration, whether that's the same with these cars I really have no idea.

I don't necessarily disagree with you are APR, I'm not strongly suggesting they should have a different number, just that if it was me I would change the number, for a bunch of reasons. At the very least it lets you know how many of each product is out there on each type of car.

[GT-ER]

I'm the opposite, I totally agree with APR's approach. If it works, it works. No point in spending extra money in testing 20 different springs if the 1st one works perfectly. It only raised the cost of development for no good reason. Anyone who cares that much about maximizing their setup should go with full custom rates designed for their specific car.

With that being said, any large pics so we can see the before and after on this? No reverse rake?

[WAF]

I'm not. We tracked the ever living hell out of these springs at Road Atlanta and loved them. No rubbing. No fault codes. They just worked and we didn't see any reason to change anything. Interestingly enough, according to ETKA, the S3 and the RS3 do share spring part numbers on some models. There's about 40 or so variations, so if someone out there is selling 40 or so different lowering spring setups for the same vehicles, I applaud them.

“Save up” wasn’t implying anything negative about your finances, just the difference in price. I apologize for the post coming off that way.

Understood.

I'm getting these. Funny that there is no outrage about the 'Other' kit that is the same for S3 and RS3..That one is 4 times more expensive.

Which kit are you referring to?

[Arin@APR]

[OE2]

Curious on the APR stance on the Magride recalibration. Arin do you guys think it's worth it with your springs (or in general)?

any thoughts here?

[banzrs3]

+1 for specs on drop for those with mag suspension

[FuzzyHat]

I might be interested in these, got a local APR shop near me. Will probably go see them on their shop car before I decide though.

[HBird]

Which kit are you referring to?

MSS

[Arin@APR]

Curious on the APR stance on the Magride recalibration. Arin do you guys think it's worth it with your springs (or in general)?

Who sells one?

[Gurds7]

doesn't mean it's right if two seperate cars one some models have the same spring, it's called lazy engineering. Just grab of the shelf that will do.... no rub check no fault code check, job done next... I'll keep my money for something that took time to develop per application no a one size fits all product.



This is the proper way to look at it. Design per application end story.

Agreed. ED and 034 both make springs specific for the model. Also, 200lbs and a different F/R balance along with different dampers, bushings, sway bars, etc do require differences in spring rates. I know many companies don't but the great engineering companies do.

[OE2]

Who sells one?

I guess your question answers part of mine. Dealerships can recalibrate Magride and i think that some others have been able to do it as well. Apparently it's good to do it on stock cars as well as lowered
http://www.audirs3oc.com/topic/6281-...s-on-mag-ride/

[Arin@APR]

Keep in mind, none of you are really testing the springs with any accuracy. All too often the same spring just gets a different part number.

[WAF]

I'm getting these. Funny that there is no outrage about the 'Other' kit that is the same for S3 and RS3..That one is 4 times more expensive.

If you are referring to the MSS kit it has been brought up with them. The MSS spring are dual spring very different, also you can adjust the height on MSS, unlike APR. I'm not a MSS fan boy never have had any of their parts before so im not one sided just seeing the facts how they are presented. Also the fact they don't know about the mag ride recalibration says alot to me for a product that's supposed to be for magride. Correct me if im wrong.

MSS

Thanks

[Bezlar]

If you are referring to the MSS kit it has been brought up with them. The MSS spring are dual spring very different, also you can adjust the height on MSS, unlike APR. I'm not a MSS fan boy never have had any of their parts before so im not one sided just seeing the facts how they are presented. Also the fact they don't know about the mag ride recalibration says alot to me for a product that's supposed to be for magride. Correct me if im wrong.



Thanks

Yep the calibration thing had me wondering about apr’s testing also. I’m sure it will get spun as most of the responses do. And I’m a fan of apr but it is what it is.


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[GT-ER]

Lots of over thinkers here. If it works, it works. Why scrutinize the crap out of it when your aren't exactly going to use it to set world records on a race track or anything? Like I said, if it's so important to you, get custom springs made for your particular setup/weight distribution.

[WAF]

Lots of over thinkers here. If it works, it works. Why scrutinize the crap out of it when your aren't exactly going to use it to set world records on a race track or anything? Like I said, if it's so important to you, get custom springs made for your particular setup/weight distribution.

All to their own opinion. If i buy a product id rather it be designed for the application, not one off the shelf. I'd rather question companies than go along with the rest of the heard and follow suit. Nobody mentioned world records. Sure it will work but id rather spend my money on something else thanks for your input.

[shivaswrath]

All to their own opinion. If i buy a product id rather it be designed for the application, not one off the shelf. I'd rather question companies than go along with the rest of the heard and follow suit. Nobody mentioned world records. Sure it will work but id rather spend my money on something else thanks for your input.

That's why I'm still waiting. Our engine is a different weight than the S3...spring rates should be slightly different, etc.


ED are working on a set. I'd rather wait for a specific set like you....(although the lowered RS3s look hot).

[jwil]

doesn't mean it's right if two seperate cars one some models have the same spring, it's called lazy engineering. Just grab of the shelf that will do.... no rub check no fault code check, job done next... I'll keep my money for something that took time to develop per application no a one size fits all product.



This is the proper way to look at it. Design per application end story.

Pics of your degree in mechanical engineering?

[gaspam]

All to their own opinion. If i buy a product id rather it be designed for the application, not one off the shelf. I'd rather question companies than go along with the rest of the heard and follow suit. Nobody mentioned world records. Sure it will work but id rather spend my money on something else thanks for your input.

did you buy tires specifically designed solely for your RS3 or did you get something like PSS that work on many different models of cars.

funny, tires are one of the most important components and rarely are they designed for only 1 specific car

[speeddemon69]

did you buy tires specifically designed solely for your RS3 or did you get something like PSS that work on many different models of cars.

funny, tires are one of the most important components and rarely are they designed for only 1 specific car

Unless you have a Dodge Challenger demon then yes the tires are made for your car only lol.

But yeah good point.


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[will13k7]

lowering springs are a step above cutting your oem springs and folks want absolute precision.

[WAF]

Pics of your degree in mechanical engineering?

did you buy tires specifically designed solely for your RS3 or did you get something like PSS that work on many different models of cars.

funny, tires are one of the most important components and rarely are they designed for only 1 specific car

It's as i stated my personal opinion which is shared by others, amongst which are companies. I'm no engineer but i do fix their fuck ups on a daily basis in my job. Never remember claiming i was one though. Tires work on contact patch available by various options through OEM design then aftermarket adding or subtracting width, tire compounds etc, some work better than others depending on application performance/snow etc.Lots of variables to work with, unless you buy a hypercar/race car with limiting restrictions on tires because of either performance or design because of performance. Specific weight on the vehicle should be very minimal depending on options. So if you know your spring rate at a specific weight"S3" then the weight increases, you will have to adjust and compensate or you will go to a negative threshold where the previous model "S3" and setup didn't occur. Or from another point of view i had a Land Cruiser FDJ-81 and when i upgraded my suspension because i had the front ARB bull crash bar which i believe was 140lbs then the weight of the winch. I had to up the rating on my front springs to "hard" compared to the rear"medium" as id bottom out because of the extra weight up front. More or less more bounce, like setting up a car for two drivers and one lets say is 200 pounds heavier. I understand what you guys are saying but id personally id rather something else thanks.

[Potatohead_RS3]

This will not be popular opinion, but people always just ditch the factory engineering like it’s a bad habit. Whether it’s spacers messing up scrub radius or different tire sizes or a tune or whatever, people mess with it all the time. I’m sure there are instances where engineers are forced to use an option that is not ideal, maybe the car rides 1/2” higher to meet pedestrian crash standards for example, but at the end of the day these are smart people designing and tweaking these cars for the factory setup.

If there are in fact 40 spring sets for this chassis, well, there’s a reason for that. If they could get away with five they would. You can also install lowering springs without an alignment or a mag-ride calibration. There’s the right way to do things and there’s the way that “works.”

PS - This thread is exactly why they should have just added a bit of spring rate and made a new number, lol.

[GordonC]

Pics of your degree in mechanical engineering?

I don't know who you asked, but just for reference, mine was from University of Manitoba, Bachelor of Science in Mechanical Engineering 1981.

did you buy tires specifically designed solely for your RS3 or did you get something like PSS that work on many different models of cars.

funny, tires are one of the most important components and rarely are they designed for only 1 specific car

Funny, there are actually MANY tires engineered specifically for 1 OEM application these days - you call Tire Rack and ask for Pirelli P Zero PZ4s, and they'll want to know which car they're for and will quote you the OEM version - and they probably have 5 different OEM versions, each custom tuned for a different car.

With regard to springs - I can't believe the number of people saying "if it works, it's good enough". Sorry, good engineering doesn't work that way... and also to dismiss a 100 lb weight difference is unbelievable! I have to guess that anyone doing so only cares about looks (the "drop"), and doesn't actually give a crap or understand handling. I've been involved in the Miata world for a couple of decades, and that crowd would laugh at the ignorance of suspension modifications over here. For what it's worth, the latest 2016+ MX-5, known as the ND, had a new retractable fastback version added in 2017, the RF. Mazda reengineered the rear spring rates and heights because the new roof added 95 lbs at the back of the car... and all the vendors also came up with RF-specific spring sets with different rear springs because of the weight increase. Again in the Miata world, if someone wants aftermarket springs, the vendors and community will be asking specific questions about use cases (track, autocross, street, etc), and then will discuss spring rates and ride heights. I am very surprised that this community (and specifically it's aftermarket vendors) hasn't widely published the factory spring rates, and then specific spring rate details for their aftermarket offerings. Honestly, an answer of "we tried it and it works, trust us" is a joke (and an embarrassment). APR, you guys want to be taken seriously, then get serious! Tell us what the factory spring rates are (for RS3, please), for each of mag ride and fixed suspension, and then what your spring rates are, for starters.