Akebono vs TRW carbon brake pads

[Corradobrit]

Any performance differences for street use? OK to use them on stock rotors?

[ixez]

Do not buy Akebono. Piece of $h1t and worse than OEM pads.
I've got mine with new upgraded rotors and even with that my car doesn't bite as well as before.

Also, I've seen many complaints about EBC Red lately. Hawk HPS squeak (good overall but not for daily driving per my taste).

Get Carbotech Pads xp20/xp24 or Endless MX72 pads that are used by GT-R people (if you got money). It's ok to use with stock rotors if they're in a good shape.

[steampunkjunker]

You can get MX-72 for about half price (~$400 F&R) from Nengun. It’s like adding a BBK with good pads plus no squeal, low dust, long life, and easy on rotors.


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[isles1]

Is there an Endless MX72 pad that is made for the stock B8 calipers? I do not see pads for a B8 on www.nengun.com

[Dirt]

I replaced my stock pads and rotors with Akebono pads and Stop Tech slotted rotors. You need a tiny bit of extra push to get the same bite as stock but nothing that affects your confidence. There’s almost no dust and no squealing or other undesirable noises. I’d buy this setup again and would highly recommend it for street use. I haven’t tested them on a road course and don’t plan to.

[Corradobrit]

You can get MX-72 for about half price (~$400 F&R) from Nengun. It’s like adding a BBK with good pads plus no squeal, low dust, long life, and easy on rotors.


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Whats the part number for the stock B8.5 calipers? Don't see ref to our platform on any of the sites that sell Endless.

[isles1]

Is there an Endless MX72 pad that is made for the stock B8 calipers? I do not see pads for a B8 on www.nengun.com

NM...found them EIP176 Front + EIP169 Rear. $320 plus ~80 shipping to New York.

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Whats the part number for the stock B8.5 calipers? Don't see ref to our platform on any of the sites that sell Endless.

https://www.nengun.com/endless/brake...emium-compound

[speedycrw]

Bought the Akenbo and stock rotors for my 2014. Great setup, slight difference in bite, but nothing noticeable for the street. Certainly not a track pad, but more than acceptable for street use, and almost zero dust. Would do it again in a heartbeat. Certainly not suitable for a racecar, but then again the S4 isn't a true track car anyway....

[S4'ed]

I am happy with Akebono with stock discs...put on the front and back.

[eurotic]

If you want the initial bite of the OEM pad you might have to stick to the OEM pad but then you are stuck with lots of dust. Most people here seem to want low dust and most (all?) the options mean giving up on the initial bite. This isn't a bad thing depending on what sort of driving you do. I went with Stoptech's slotted rotors and street performance pads and I too wasn't all that happy with the bite initially. I thought I wanted the instant hard grab that the OE pad provided...until I autocrossed my car a little more. Then I realized how much that instant bite would tend to upset the car quite a bit. Sure you might have to press a little harder to get the same stopping power but I found the less abrupt grab and release of the Stoptech's to ultimately be a better feeling. It did take a while to get my head into the right frame of mind.

[Sukks2bu]

I recently had my front and backs done with OE replacement parts, Zimmerman rotors and TRW pads. I feel like my Aniitial bite has disappeared. I've had my fronts replaced with this setup in the past, and it felt completely like oem.
Only difference is I had the fluids replaced. Is it possible the fluids or fluid level could cause the lack of bite, or more likely, they didn't use TRW pads??

[Corradobrit]

NM...found them EIP176 Front + EIP169 Rear. $320 plus ~80 shipping to New York.

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https://www.nengun.com/endless/brake...emium-compound

"The Endless Premium Compound Brake Pads are designed specifically to keep those expensive wheels super clean." Seems like an expensive option just to reduce brake dust. No mention of being a carbon compound, just asbestos free.

[isles1]

I do not know much about the Endless MX72 pads. I was just looking into them because of this post and because I am looking for something comparable to Ferodo DS2500 pads that are less expensive. Other websites refer to the Endless MX72 as a carbon ceramic compound or "CC-X". No idea. I have no experience with these.

[steampunkjunker]

NM...found them EIP176 Front + EIP169 Rear. $320 plus ~80 shipping to New York.

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https://www.nengun.com/endless/brake...emium-compound

Yeah exactly. I just checked my receipt and those are the same numbers.


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[steampunkjunker]

"The Endless Premium Compound Brake Pads are designed specifically to keep those expensive wheels super clean." Seems like an expensive option just to reduce brake dust. No mention of being a carbon compound, just asbestos free.

http://www.endless-sport.global/gb/products/pad_1a

Those are both different pads than the MX-72. I have a pretty comprehensive review on this forum and on GolfMKV.

The Mercedes Benz Petrobras F1 team likes Endless enough to go with them for 2018 season. And Ross Brawn used them as well with his last team before running F1.


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[brs2c]

Do not buy Akebono. Piece of $h1t and worse than OEM pads.
I've got mine with new upgraded rotors and even with that my car doesn't bite as well as before.

Also, I've seen many complaints about EBC Red lately. Hawk HPS squeak (good overall but not for daily driving per my taste).

Get Carbotech Pads xp20/xp24 or Endless MX72 pads that are used by GT-R people (if you got money). It's ok to use with stock rotors if they're in a good shape.

Is the initial bite the complaint? I just installed EBC redstuff. Less bite but nice and smooth, and if you really have to step on it at high speed the bite hard as they heat up. Installing stainless brake lines this weekend, so maybe that will help with the initial bit feel. No dust. Overall, I am quite happy.

...Akebono was my runner up, but ECS sold me on Redstuff, as the salesman said it's what he runs...or was it that it costs more...

[onlyaudis]

to each his own. i hated the overly aggressive non linier initial bite of the stock brakes. Akebono here as well, no issues even when i have had to do a panic stop. actually more control than the stock snatchy brakes

[TFSI]

Sounds like OP is looking for oem level replacement.

If you don't mind the dust, go with OEM suppliers like Textar, TRW, Pagid pads (Semi Metallic). If you want less dust.... well you'll lose braking power. Akebono, HPS, RedStuff, ceramic pads.

Personally I run Stoptech Street Performance. Somewhat decent dust, but stops well for my need.

[catalyst686]

Don't mean to hijack- if I've got 30k miles on my car and want to get aftermarket pads, should I get new rotors as well?

[Zman84]

Cost effective with zero dust and high performance:
Akebono pads
Slotted rotors
SS lines
Endless racing fluid***

***results in firm, consistent pedal with good/balanced initial bite. May need to flush every year, but well worth it.

[TFSI]

Don't mean to hijack- if I've got 30k miles on my car and want to get aftermarket pads, should I get new rotors as well?

It's always good to get new rotors since there will be new pad material. However if your rotor is still within OEM thickness, it's OK to reuse. Go run your fingernail toward the outer edge of the rotor, if you feel 'lip', then get new rotors.

[bizzy]

Same as onlyaudis; prefer the lack of initial bite with Akebono, easier to brake smoothly. Using Stoptech rotors and ss lines.

[minman26]

Getting groceries the Akebono are fine, but I won't buy another pair. Forget about the track, I can't even drive spirited for 5 mins without introducing a vibration due to heat.

[dinkman]

how about feedback on the stop tech sports?

[rtmeikle]

Getting groceries the Akebono are fine, but I won't buy another pair. Forget about the track, I can't even drive spirited for 5 mins without introducing a vibration due to heat.

This is the first I've heard about vibration from ceramic brake pads. Is this a common issue? Has anyone else had this happen? I really hate all the brake dust from the stock pads, but don't want to deal with vibration from my brakes.

[isles1]

Getting groceries the Akebono are fine, but I won't buy another pair. Forget about the track, I can't even drive spirited for 5 mins without introducing a vibration due to heat.

Sounds more like an issue specific to your rotors with heat build up rather than your selection of pads.

[minman26]

Sounds more like an issue specific to your rotors with heat build up rather than your selection of pads.

You are probably right (Zimmerman blanks), however the added pedal force needed for same stopping power as OEM likely adds to the increased heat/distortion. The ceramics really are fine for 99% of daily driving, but for me, unless there is another explanation for my issue, I think it should be pointed out. It's not something I've read much on this forum, and everyone raves about the Zimmer/akebono combination... myself included in other posts.

To your point, my issue might be primarily rotor choice and not the pads. Ceramic pads with a better quality rotor may not exeprience any issues for spirited street driving, or at least not so quickly.

[isles1]

Perhaps the pad type does add to the heat...I’m no expert. I’ll take stopping power over clean wheels all day long, so I don’t get the appeal of ceramics.

[bberg22]

to each his own. i hated the overly aggressive non linier initial bite of the stock brakes. Akebono here as well, no issues even when i have had to do a panic stop. actually more control than the stock snatchy brakes

I second this. took a few days to get used to the Akebonos but I prefer the linear nature. It takes more peddle pressure but doesn't upset the balance of the car as much. My aging OEM brakes would grab so hard it frequently overcame the grip of the tires too easily in rain/snow.

[CollecTTor]

Agreed with the dislike of overly aggressive initial bite of OEM pads. We have ABS. If you can induce lockup and engage ABS, you have enough brakes. All this talk of more stopping power is funny. Has anyone mentioned coefficient of friction specs or temp ranges?

[hockeyman474]

Bought the Akenbo and stock rotors for my 2014. Great setup, slight difference in bite, but nothing noticeable for the street. Certainly not a track pad, but more than acceptable for street use, and almost zero dust. Would do it again in a heartbeat. Certainly not suitable for a racecar, but then again the S4 isn't a true track car anyway....

Glad so many people like these. I bought a set for my S4. Waiting to have them put on until my 75k service in 3 weeks.

[bberg22]

Agreed with the dislike of overly aggressive initial bite of OEM pads. We have ABS. If you can induce lockup and engage ABS, you have enough brakes. All this talk of more stopping power is funny. Has anyone mentioned coefficient of friction specs or temp ranges?

I think typically ceramic pads don't hold their heat as well which can effect performance in the cold from what I read. But I didn't feel any degradation in the negative temps we had the last few weeks. Hardly scientific, just my 2 cents.

[CollecTTor]

I think typically ceramic pads don't hold their heat as well which can effect performance in the cold from what I read. But I didn't feel any degradation in the negative temps we had the last few weeks. Hardly scientific, just my 2 cents.

The "heat" is referring to peak operating temps, not ambient temps. Ceramics are not meant for heavy repeated braking, ie racing. Spirited driving they are fine. Full ABS engagement stopping repeatedly with no cool down will cause them to outgas and glaze.

[Pawan2013]

how are the endless pads with brake dust and are they a good track pad or just a daily driver pad the the akebonos?

[steampunkjunker]

how are the endless pads with brake dust and are they a good track pad or just a daily driver pad the the akebonos?

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[steampunkjunker]

The Endless ME20 compound would be a more aggressive dual purpose pad probably better for something like Sport Cup 2 R compound tires. Retail is $390 instead of $370. The MA45B low friction endurance race pad goes for about 2x. SpeadFreaksUSA has them all. Not sure if Nengun can get the ME20 or MA45B.


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