RS3/TT-RS performance nearly identical (Car and Driver shows)

[S3DUDE]

If you look at it closely, it seems like the RS3 extra weight and "bulkier" body is by no means a penalty when it comes to performance. The RS3 virtually ties the TT-RS on everything yet it cost $10000 less and fits 5. Between the two cars the RS3 is the virtual winner on performance/value.

The one thing that I don't get is the critics that both cars get on the brakes. What am I missing? boths cars have big, I mean BIG brakes and yet the car magazines says that the brakes are not adequate? are you kidding me? perhaps these car should come with 4 piston rear calipers?


Audi RS3

DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 103.6 in
Length: 176.3 in
Width: 70.9 in Height: 55.0 in
Passenger volume: 87 cu ft
Trunk volume: 10 cu ft
Curb weight: 3547 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.5 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.7 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 15.4 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 22.8 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.3 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.8 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.2 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.9 sec @ 117 mph
Top speed (governor limited, mfr's claim): 174 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 157 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.98 g
C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
Observed: 19 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 30 mpg
Highway range: 430 miles
EPA FUEL ECONOMY:
Combined/city/highway: 22/19/28 mpg

AUDI TT-RS
DIMENSIONS:
Wheelbase: 98.6 in
Length: 165.0 in
Width: 72.1 in Height: 52.9 in
Passenger volume: 74 cu ft
Cargo volume: 12 cu ft
Curb weight: 3270 lb
C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 8.6 sec
Zero to 130 mph: 15.4 sec
Zero to 150 mph: 23.0 sec
Rolling start, 5-60 mph: 4.5 sec
Top gear, 30-50 mph: 2.7 sec
Top gear, 50-70 mph: 3.3 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 11.9 sec @ 117 mph
Top speed (governor limited, mfr's claim): 174 mph
Braking, 70-0 mph: 154 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.99 g
C/D FUEL ECONOMY:
Observed: 22 mpg
75-mph highway driving: 31 mpg
Highway range: 440 miles
EPA FUEL ECONOMY:
Combined/city/highway: 22/19/29 mpg

[OE2]

it's not enough brake due to pad and disc combination. There are already solutions being worked on. Brakes are more than caliper size

[Potatohead_RS3]

This guy seems pretty happy with them

[Nachos Libres]

I'm just surprised the TTRS commands such a hefty premium over the RS3.

[BaltimoreCaesar]

The TT is a lower volume car compared to the A3, so it makes sense there would be a premium. There is actually a larger difference between the base model A3 and TT ($12,000), compared to the top end RS3 and TT-RS ($10,000)

[spawn350]

I'm just surprised the TTRS commands such a hefty premium over the RS3.

Have you seen the interior of both? Keep in mind, I was initially going to get the RS3, but decided it was too similar in function to my 4-dr GTI (as in, I didn't need another 4-dr car). I spent a decent amount of time in the RS3 and then when I got the TT-RS I was blown away by the interior.

[Lusky]

Hank has the RS3 and I have the TTRS. The RS3 is great but it definitely does not perform like the TTRS. Also as far as performance/ acceleration the TTRS easily drives away from the RS3 from any dig or roll speed. The TTRS back end comes around quicker and sliding sideways while moving forward under power is much more fun. As far as braking yes my A3 with 356 6p stops better but I think it’s based on the difference in the pads; upgrade the factory pads! The TTRS has more of an “RS” upgraded interior as well with more CF and adds steering wheel buttons and also exhaust control button not found in the RS3.


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[HBird]

Not exactly RS3 to TT-RS comparison but I drove a TTS for a small bit and it felt leagues better than my S3. Even with the same engine/trans combo it felt quicker and more eager. The MagRide dampers rode better as well (and this car had the optional 20s). The interior is a homerun, I can't think of anything new shy of 6 digits that has an interior that looks near as good as the TT.

[Potatohead_RS3]

I haven't driven the new TTRS but at 300 lbs lighter I have to imagine it does pretty much everything performance related better. However if you are not tracking the car it likely doesn't make much difference. I don't really need four doors and if the price were closer I would probably be in the TTRS instead.

[OE2]

serious question can the TTRS seats be fitted to the RS3 or would that be too much to ask going from manual to electric?

[Potatohead_RS3]

serious question can the TTRS seats be fitted to the RS3 or would that be too much to ask going from manual to electric?

Depends if the NA RS3's have the power seat harness pigtail on the main chassis harness or not. If they do it may just be a coding change.

[Nachos Libres]

Have you seen the interior of both? Keep in mind, I was initially going to get the RS3, but decided it was too similar in function to my 4-dr GTI (as in, I didn't need another 4-dr car). I spent a decent amount of time in the RS3 and then when I got the TT-RS I was blown away by the interior.

I've seen them at the dealership but didn't pay great attention to them. I have to say the TT-RS looks way better on the outside than the RS3 does (this is just my opinion, please don't kill me RS3 owners).

[Lusky]

serious question can the TTRS seats be fitted to the RS3 or would that be too much to ask going from manual to electric?

Yes and I have the stock 2018 TTRS seats for sale because I did this.




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[hckymstr19]

Yes and I have the stock 2018 TTRS seats for sale because I did this.




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Where and how do I get these and are the ttrs seats any different than the rs3 seats in terms of the bolsters or anything?

[SLOW 77]

Your seats you put in look awesome!

[Lusky]

Where and how do I get these and are the ttrs seats any different than the rs3 seats in terms of the bolsters or anything?

The TTRS seats are electric and have electric side bolsters; the RS3 seats are completely manual


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[hckymstr19]

The TTRS seats are electric and have electric side bolsters; the RS3 seats are completely manual


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How much you selling the ttrs seats for

[Potatohead_RS3]

The TTRS seats are electric and have electric side bolsters; the RS3 seats are completely manual


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They do have power lumbar...

[brad65ford]

Reminds me of the difference between the Hellcat charger and challenger.

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How much you selling the ttrs seats for

believe he sound them along with the rims,,, I already asked ;-)

[brad65ford]

This guy seems pretty happy with them

The first statement is false.. We still do not have the rs6 and any of the avant's here in the states. So yes we will still complain. lol

[itsmatt33]

Yes and I have the stock 2018 TTRS seats for sale because I did this.




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god damn those tillets are sexy as fuck. I had a set to go in my big turbo a4 or r8 but they are far too track oriented for me. I love how you classed them up with alcantara instead of the OEM rubber pads.

[LINDW4LL]

Those Tilletts do look awesome with the alcantara and diamond stitch. Can't imagine them on a lengthy drive though

Also, as far as TTRS vs RS3 in C&D, I have to think these results are simply due to a difference in test conditions. The TTRS should be faster by virtue of the ~280 lb savings, and 1/4 times by members here have shown a definite advantage for the TT.

[Lusky]

How much you selling the ttrs seats for

Make me an offer!


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[Lusky]

Reminds me of the difference between the Hellcat charger and challenger.

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believe he sound them along with the rims,,, I already asked ;-)

I did not sell the seats they are sitting in my dining room wrapped for protection. I don’t have a for sale ad up for them


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[OE2]

I'll start the bidding at $2k, what do they look like?

[Burningcoals]

I've seen them at the dealership but didn't pay great attention to them. I have to say the TT-RS looks way better on the outside than the RS3 does (this is just my opinion, please don't kill me RS3 owners).

The only reason I didn't buy one is because I do not like the side and rear view of the car, its a personal opinion of course :) I love the interior and front end and the wheels! I almost bought one over the RS3, in fact over the last few weeks I have been deciding if I want to switch, but I want a luxo sedan more than I want a race car, don't plan on doing track, etc. So really the extra utility and better looks IMO win out for the RS3.

Now, if that had the TT RS Sport with added body kit package, that would be a entire different story. Anyone getting the new Audi Sport carbon add-ons? That also made me drool, I would love to see the car with all the add-ons, can't imagine the money.

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[Burningcoals]

I'll start the bidding at $2k, what do they look like?

They are amazing. I would definitely bit 2500$ on them if they are confirmed they can be powered up without much hassle.

[Burningcoals]

Those Tilletts do look awesome with the alcantara and diamond stitch. Can't imagine them on a lengthy drive though

Also, as far as TTRS vs RS3 in C&D, I have to think these results are simply due to a difference in test conditions. The TTRS should be faster by virtue of the ~280 lb savings, and 1/4 times by members here have shown a definite advantage for the TT.

I agree. Must be a difference of conditions. 300lbs is a lot of weight savings, going to be easy getting a TTRS into the 10's. That's like not having to pull seats in the RS3 and some other stuff.

BTW: Where is the TTRS Facelift forum? Not enough of them to get their own page?

[Dr Bill]

I've owned both. TT-RS is the winner for me.
Straight line speed is meaningless to me. I value handling more. And I have no need for four doors. Maybe if I was older or had kids.

[Lusky]

I'll start the bidding at $2k, what do they look like?

Taken out around 1,800 miles. You were outbid









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[Lusky]

They are amazing. I would definitely bit 2500$ on them if they are confirmed they can be powered up without much hassle.

Reserve not met


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[Potatohead_RS3]

I'll be honest and say I am buying the RS3 only because of the price difference. I don't need four doors, other than for the dog and the only real gain there is being able to roll down the windows for her. TTRS has a lot of positives over the RS3 but I just don't want to spend that much money. If I was going to I would also be looking really hard at a 718S.

[cam0719]

I'll be honest and say I am buying the RS3 only because of the price difference. I don't need four doors, other than for the dog and the only real gain there is being able to roll down the windows for her. TTRS has a lot of positives over the RS3 but I just don't want to spend that much money. If I was going to I would also be looking really hard at a 718S.

I have to think insurance is cheaper on the RS3 vs TT-RS too.

[seank13]

I am in the camp that couldn't justify the cost of the TTRS. So I gave up my RS3 order, got a TTS and saved about $7k. For me the driving experience is far more enjoyable in the MK3 TT platform than the 8V. Once I discovered that there was no doubt in my mind and I have no regrets. Of course I also have a 3rd Gen 4runner so that made the decision easier.

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[lalalaprise]

I am in the camp that couldn't justify the cost of the TTRS. So I gave up my RS3 order, got a TTS and saved about $7k. For me the driving experience is far more enjoyable in the MK3 TT platform than the 8V. Once I discovered that there was no doubt in my mind and I have no regrets. Of course I also have a 3rd Gen 4runner so that made the decision easier.

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TTS is a great choice .. only thing is you don't get that 2.5 ... but to some that's more important than others.

[speeddemon69]

TTS is a great choice .. only thing is you don't get that 2.5 ... but to some that's more important than others.

At this point with all thats going on with the RS3 fuel pump and possibly having to wait longer to get it because of that port stop, if they had a TTS at the dealer with the specs i like i might heavily consider getting it. Doesn’t help the car im driving is a snooze fest.

But i don’t want to deal with carbon cleaning and plastic oil pan and about 6k in mods that i will have to buy to make the TTS faster and better. So ill have to wait it out i guess.


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[seank13]

TTS is a great choice .. only thing is you don't get that 2.5 ... but to some that's more important than others.

Oh don't get me wrong, I really wanted the 2.5. It was in fact what finally made me decide to buy a new car for the first time in 15 years. But because I realized I had to have a TT and I could get the TTS for almost $20k less than a TTRS, one of which I found available locally at the same time, is why I went the way I did. I know my car will never be as fast or sound as good, but even on the track it's still border line stupid fast even bone stock. And suspension, brakes and tunes are all going on in the next month.

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[lalalaprise]

Oh don't get me wrong, I really wanted the 2.5. It was in fact what finally made me decide to buy a new car for the first time in 15 years. But because I realized I had to have a TT and I could get the TTS for almost $20k less than a TTRS, one of which I found available locally at the same time, is why I went the way I did. I know my car will never be as fast or sound as good, but even on the track it's still border line stupid fast even bone stock. And suspension, brakes and tunes are all going on in the next month.

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TTS Audi Sport 10-Y Spoke Design wheels are amazing too...wish it was an option on the RS3

[big residual]

Which Tillet model are those?

New rails or direct mount?

[Paul@SupremePower]

TTS is a great choice .. only thing is you don't get that 2.5 ... but to some that's more important than others.

The 5 pot is the reason most people buy the ticket for either the Rs3 or ttrs I would think. It was for me anyway.