10.25” Android head unit / display (RSNAV)

[andRap]

Give me a moment here.
@andRap Who are you again?
Yes, it may feel like a half-cooked for some, but don't generalize your impression to all.
Can you even imagine how hard to make that system to this stage? I see you are expressing your frustration every thread, but I hardly agree with you putting down the system.
For example, you are talking about sudden restart, loosing navi, indeed that was true with some version of Autoplay app - which is a third party app, and we issued advisory to update it.
As far as I am concerned, no one is having that trouble after they get it updated and we removed that app from the latest release.

Android is complex, Audi is electrionical disaster and I wasted my time depending myself and rsnav here whereas many is still waiting for my help.
This is too much ... indeed too much.

@a4android

" Who are you again?" Do you need my name.?

I didn't generalize my impressions, you can read my post again I mentioned " in my opinion". I only expressed what I experienced.

Should I really cares if Auto Play or Auto Kit is from a third-party.? I didn't get it as a gift to accept all the problems associated with it. It was the product offered by you and I paid 80 Dollars for just to use Android Auto and at least for me was never usable, never stable. Its good that you issued a advisory to update the app. But it would have been noce of the update processes really worked.

For the price I paid, I don't expect a premium well polished product like an original Audi MMi (I am also one of the developers of the Audi Instrument Clusters, I know the complexity) but at minimum I expect a stable usable product.

Of course it is really frustrating when on raod depending on Navi and all at a sudden it restart loosing my direction.

I now have a serious problem from almost a month with media volume from all apps (Play Music, PowerAmp, Saavan). Volume on my device is really like a Sine wave, it suddenly goes low (as if no sound from the back seats) and after a moment it comes back to normal and again goes low. Most of times it stuck low. From OEM MMI it is just perfect. Navi instruction volume (from all apps, sygic, Gmaps, waze) is so low that it can be heard at all, if I increase the volume to be able to hear them, then media volume becomes so high that it almost kills me.

This mean am not able to enjoy any music in my car. At times when driving on unknown roads, I had to really stop listening to music and raise volume only to listen Navi instructions.

Do you have any solution.?

Fighting with all these problems how can I praise your device.?

Only thing I appreciate is your presence, your support and your efforts to make this a good product.


I had lot of excitement, expectations reading all your website and this forum before buying it. May be I had too much expectation which made be a bit disappointed.

I don't want to put your system down. I only want your system be more stable and usable.

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[a4android]

@a4android

" Who are you again?" Do you need my name.?

I didn't generalize my impressions, you can read my post again I mentioned " in my opinion". I only expressed what I experienced.

Should I really cares if Auto Play or Auto Kit is from a third-party.? I didn't get it as a gift to accept all the problems associated with it. It was the product offered by you and I paid 80 Dollars for just to use Android Auto and at least for me was never usable, never stable. Its good that you issued a advisory to update the app. But it would have been noce of the update processes really worked.

For the price I paid, I don't expect a premium well polished product like an original Audi MMi (I am also one of the developers of the Audi Instrument Clusters, I know the complexity) but at minimum I expect a stable usable product.

Of course it is really frustrating when on raod depending on Navi and all at a sudden it restart loosing my direction.

I now have a serious problem from almost a month with media volume from all apps (Play Music, PowerAmp, Saavan). Volume on my device is really like a Sine wave, it suddenly goes low (as if no sound from the back seats) and after a moment it comes back to normal and again goes low. Most of times it stuck low. From OEM MMI it is just perfect. Navi instruction volume (from all apps, sygic, Gmaps, waze) is so low that it can be heard at all, if I increase the volume to be able to hear them, then media volume becomes so high that it almost kills me.

This mean am not able to enjoy any music in my car. At times when driving on unknown roads, I had to really stop listening to music and raise volume only to listen Navi instructions.

Do you have any solution.?

Fighting with all these problems how can I praise your device.?

Only thing I appreciate is your presence, your support and your efforts to make this a good product.


I had lot of excitement, expectations reading all your website and this forum before buying it. May be I had too much expectation which made be a bit disappointed.

I don't want to put your system down. I only want your system be more stable and usable.

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1. Yes I need your name and order number. Contact me using e-mail or telephone number provided in Contact US page.
2. I am defending RSNAV android unit itself. Indeed Autoplay and Autokit was offered as an solution for CarPlay or Android Auto. They works most of the time unlike what you said. I am wondering if the USB filter is missing, broken or the dongle itself. Anyway, the point was that before you blame the brand of RSNAV, you could have explain the issues. See what your wrote, indeed, you expressed your opinion but it was misleading generally. Wouldn't it be misleading if I say something like 'People of country A is lazy' whereas I have met a few from that country?
3. Volume going up and down happens two thing mixed. First, when 'Ear protection' popup appeared, you already clicked 'No' to allow the volume up to the max. Until you click yes, the Android system will reset the volume to value 12 every time it reboots or any volume reset request by an app or etc. The volume discrepancy when the sound redirection is active is another problem, so we made it 'selectable' for those who don't want it. Also, in our Wiki, we explained how to limit or adjust the maximum amplification level in Mediatek Engineer Mode in the wiki's usage tab.

I know the most of issues and I always have been to try solve them. I am surprised that you were just enduring such where there is solution being introduced. Indeed, there are few issues that I can't get the glimpse like for some people in EU, the parking sonar radar never works with RSNAV. Guessing that a variants of that parking electronic is rather different from what is used in the rest of the world.

So you were involved in the development of FIS. Nowadays I am exploring how to exploit FIS screen for RSNAV or any other application. I respect your work with kombiinstruement, but I also feel shorts in FIS working logic or its mechanism. Maybe it's due to my shortness in the knowledge or philosophy behind the development.

Anyway, what were raised by you are not something we should give up and it can go better. At least with Android 7.0 Volume get stabilized, and that Autokit/Autoplay dongle, I am thinking wireless version is superior compared to the wired version in terms of working stability. (Also it charge faster than the other). How many bad days I had with the dev team of that dongle stuff to get something work better...

[JoeJoeJoe]

1. Yes I need your name and order number. Contact me using e-mail or telephone number provided in Contact US page.
2. I am defending RSNAV android unit itself. Indeed Autoplay and Autokit was offered as an solution for CarPlay or Android Auto. They works most of the time unlike what you said. I am wondering if the USB filter is missing, broken or the dongle itself. Anyway, the point was that before you blame the brand of RSNAV, you could have explain the issues. See what your wrote, indeed, you expressed your opinion but it was misleading generally. Wouldn't it be misleading if I say something like 'People of country A is lazy' whereas I have met a few from that country?
3. Volume going up and down happens two thing mixed. First, when 'Ear protection' popup appeared, you already clicked 'No' to allow the volume up to the max. Until you click yes, the Android system will reset the volume to value 12 every time it reboots or any volume reset request by an app or etc. The volume discrepancy when the sound redirection is active is another problem, so we made it 'selectable' for those who don't want it. Also, in our Wiki, we explained how to limit or adjust the maximum amplification level in Mediatek Engineer Mode in the wiki's usage tab.

I know the most of issues and I always have been to try solve them. I am surprised that you were just enduring such where there is solution being introduced. Indeed, there are few issues that I can't get the glimpse like for some people in EU, the parking sonar radar never works with RSNAV. Guessing that a variants of that parking electronic is rather different from what is used in the rest of the world.

So you were involved in the development of FIS. Nowadays I am exploring how to exploit FIS screen for RSNAV or any other application. I respect your work with kombiinstruement, but I also feel shorts in FIS working logic or its mechanism. Maybe it's due to my shortness in the knowledge or philosophy behind the development.

Anyway, what were raised by you are not something we should give up and it can go better. At least with Android 7.0 Volume get stabilized, and that Autokit/Autoplay dongle, I am thinking wireless version is superior compared to the wired version in terms of working stability. (Also it charge faster than the other). How many bad days I had with the dev team of that dongle stuff to get something work better...

In Android 7 Volume is stabilized? Why are there 3 users with random sound crashs? Read some posts before. Is there a solution for it? re you working on this bug? Do you need more infos?

I bought the 3rd gen. My second rsnav device in last year. I believe in your product but the community need more bugfixes and so there comes voices like andraps.

This is normal. This is the resolution of your handling with problems

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[a4android]

In Android 7 Volume is stabilized? Why are there 3 users with random sound crashs? Read some posts before. Is there a solution for it? re you working on this bug? Do you need more infos?

I bought the 3rd gen. My second rsnav device in last year. I believe in your product but the community need more bugfixes and so there comes voices like andraps.

This is normal. This is the resolution of your handling with problems

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I don't get what you mean by sound crash. I am constantly following this thread and I see only specific person raising specific issue. What posts to read?

Also, for the sound issues of inconstant volume, i already explained how and why volume gets reset - ear protection or from an app request - also i explained sound redirection will contantly taking over some speaker while in hearing nav guidance or in handsfree call. Furthermore, in the wiki i explained how to use volume limiter in mtk engineering.

For Android 7.0 some app trying to reset the volume has been automatically denied so in that sense i said stabilized.

Also for the volume discrepancy there are three stanges of volume amplification. RSNAV INTERNAL SETUP(MTK ENGONEERING) - MMI/RADIO AUX INPUT GAIN SETUP - SOUND AMP GAIN SETUP.
When the sound redirection is active that adds two more steps within rsnav itself.

So every step has to be tuned to get sound volume leveled properly.

I know that's tiring but after rsnav sound processing, you need to tune yourself.

Indeed the sound volume adjustment scenario in rsnav is already too complicated and i want to ditch that sound redirection or whatever it's being called, but some still want to hear nav guidance voice mixed with audi radio or sat radio.

See?
It would be nice if we can make the one almighty setup for everyone, but everyone is in different situations and everyone wants something different.

I understand your frustration but it's not good to put down some people's efforts to follow and solve an issue by saying like 'this one never gets working'. As you can see, i am following the issue and explaining why if it's not easy to solve.

I appreciate your comments and passions, but I believe I must defend against misleads. It's not like we are doing nothing and expecting 'laissez faire' for problems.

But comments like this one never work properly really want me to quit everything already.

It's like my personal project became my job, and I am trying to be professional, but indeed I have lost my enthusiasm as I got bombed by emails and calls that pointing guns at me beyond one can handle. At the same time, I see my people in China also struggling with increased workloads.

Please stop pointing guns.

You can complain, but let's not insult.

For some clarification, the wording i felt offensive was, I quote,

'It was never stable and I have no hope that it will be stable.'

and I found similar tones by a specific person in multiple threads lately.

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[jormami]

You are a great professional and we trust you Daniel. I think that in summary what people claim is a little more information about the improvements and corrections that will be arriving little by little. We all believe in Android 7 and your device and we know that everything will improve. Courage, and keep giving the best!

[sickday]

I don't get what you mean by sound crash. I am constantly following this thread and I see only specific person raising specific issue. What posts to read?

Also, for the sound issues of inconstant volume, i already explained how and why volume gets reset - ear protection or from an app request - also i explained sound redirection will contantly taking over some speaker while in hearing nav guidance or in handsfree call. Furthermore, in the wiki i explained how to use volume limiter in mtk engineering.

For Android 7.0 some app trying to reset the volume has been automatically denied so in that sense i said stabilized.

Also for the volume discrepancy there are three stanges of volume amplification. RSNAV INTERNAL SETUP(MTK ENGONEERING) - MMI/RADIO AUX INPUT GAIN SETUP - SOUND AMP GAIN SETUP.
When the sound redirection is active that adds two more steps within rsnav itself.

So every step has to be tuned to get sound volume leveled properly.

I know that's tiring but after rsnav sound processing, you need to tune yourself.

Indeed the sound volume adjustment scenario in rsnav is already too complicated and i want to ditch that sound redirection or whatever it's being called, but some still want to hear nav guidance voice mixed with audi radio or sat radio.

See?
It would be nice if we can make the one almighty setup for everyone, but everyone is in different situations and everyone wants something different.

I understand your frustration but it's not good to put down some people's efforts to follow and solve an issue by saying like 'this one never gets working'. As you can see, i am following the issue and explaining why if it's not easy to solve.

I appreciate your comments and passions, but I believe I must defend against misleads. It's not like we are doing nothing and expecting 'laissez faire' for problems.

But comments like this one never work properly really want me to quit everything already.

It's like my personal project became my job, and I am trying to be professional, but indeed I have lost my enthusiasm as I got bombed by emails and calls that pointing guns at me beyond one can handle. At the same time, I see my people in China also struggling with increased workloads.

Please stop pointing guns.

You can complain, but let's not insult.

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If you take a look at other users they are still using Android 6 and after the list of users reporting bugs they decided to continue wirth android 6 until the next update.

Please take a look at the last 20-30 posts regarging Android7
Those who have updatesd to Android 7 are talking about Sound-Issues. The Sound works fine until we stop our car and the rsnav device switches to power-save mode.

The hibernatemode causes a crash of the sound chip. Apps which take a look at the sound-chip (DAB-Z Player) crashes directly after starting the app. (It like they do not find a sound hardware and runs into an error)
Other apps like Spotify continue to work but without sound-output.

JoeJoeJoe tried to find a solution (Switch the output from headphone to speaker and back to speaker) but without luck.
The only way to "repair" is to reboot the whole device.

The second Android 7 bug is the not working modem. After a couple of minutes there is no traffic. So no connection. (As a workaround we are using our mobiles as wlan hotspots) We are waiting for a fix.

IN TOTAL we are very happy with the device. It works very fine but new parts cause new issues.
I was using Android 6 (latest update) and everything worked fine. I need to think about switching back to android 6 until android 7 works without main-bugs.

[a4android]

Okay, understood for the existing two issues. Nevertheless, those have to wait until we got to solve rahter serious issues like B9 screen issue raised by Ken, A3 new canbus module malfunction, and a year late 2g mmi final presale testing.

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[sickday]

Okay, understood for the existing two issues. Nevertheless, those have to wait until we got to solve rahter serious issues like B9 screen issue raised by Ken, A3 new canbus module malfunction, and a year late 2g mmi final presale testing.

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Ok, it there a way to downgrade to android 6?
can we follow the andoid7 update-guidline and install android 6? Do we need to think about the modem configuration after downgrading to android6?

Using this file?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=18X...nt36XWn1FQhC90

[andRap]

I don't get what you mean by sound crash. I am constantly following this thread and I see only specific person raising specific issue. What posts to read?

Also, for the sound issues of inconstant volume, i already explained how and why volume gets reset - ear protection or from an app request - also i explained sound redirection will contantly taking over some speaker while in hearing nav guidance or in handsfree call. Furthermore, in the wiki i explained how to use volume limiter in mtk engineering.

For Android 7.0 some app trying to reset the volume has been automatically denied so in that sense i said stabilized.

Also for the volume discrepancy there are three stanges of volume amplification. RSNAV INTERNAL SETUP(MTK ENGONEERING) - MMI/RADIO AUX INPUT GAIN SETUP - SOUND AMP GAIN SETUP.
When the sound redirection is active that adds two more steps within rsnav itself.

So every step has to be tuned to get sound volume leveled properly.

I know that's tiring but after rsnav sound processing, you need to tune yourself.

Indeed the sound volume adjustment scenario in rsnav is already too complicated and i want to ditch that sound redirection or whatever it's being called, but some still want to hear nav guidance voice mixed with audi radio or sat radio.

See?
It would be nice if we can make the one almighty setup for everyone, but everyone is in different situations and everyone wants something different.

I understand your frustration but it's not good to put down some people's efforts to follow and solve an issue by saying like 'this one never gets working'. As you can see, i am following the issue and explaining why if it's not easy to solve.

I appreciate your comments and passions, but I believe I must defend against misleads. It's not like we are doing nothing and expecting 'laissez faire' for problems.

But comments like this one never work properly really want me to quit everything already.

It's like my personal project became my job, and I am trying to be professional, but indeed I have lost my enthusiasm as I got bombed by emails and calls that pointing guns at me beyond one can handle. At the same time, I see my people in China also struggling with increased workloads.

Please stop pointing guns.

You can complain, but let's not insult.

For some clarification, the wording i felt offensive was, I quote,

'It was never stable and I have no hope that it will be stable.'

and I found similar tones by a specific person in multiple threads lately.

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Hey @a4android, I know its me who made that quote you mentioned.

Here are my experiences with Android Auto :

I installed my device in Sep 2018, initially I had very frequent disconnections. Several times it happened while on road depending on Navi.

And then you mentioned the black adapter connection could be problem. I fixed it firmly, still no good improvements.

Aftet discussing with you I switched to USB hub instead of that black adapter. I really tried several of them hoping for a fast recharge. Fast recharge never worked but stability greatly improved with USB hub.

And then you released a update, which changed my Auto Kit to Auto Play. Took some discussions to realaize I need Auto Kit. After updating to Auto Kit, I get the error box image not matching. I tried all the versions available in wiki, auto update didn't work.
With the help of community I have updated it manually.

And then comes the problem often music pauses.

By now I stopped depending on Android Auto, I use it only occasionally. Instead I use the apps directly on rsnav.

And then again the SW update and the story repeats, AutoKit is replaced by AutoPlay. Manually update to AutoKit, box image not matching. Update box version from with in the the app does not work. And still I have same problem.

After all these the amount of time I used Android Auto is less than amount of time I spent to fix these problems.

And you know the AutoKit dongle is also not so cheap to just ignore it.

Of course after all these frustrations my tone will definitely change.

I really didn't mean to insult you or your product. Its just my tone changed because of the problems I faced.
I really respect your hard work you invest in this product as I always mentioned. For several of us, at least for me you are the only reason why I bought the product.


Also with respect to the sound issue, I just want to mention I deactivated the "sound redirection feature".






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[JoeJoeJoe]

I don't get what you mean by sound crash. I am constantly following this thread and I see only specific person raising specific issue. What posts to read?

Also, for the sound issues of inconstant volume, i already explained how and why volume gets reset - ear protection or from an app request - also i explained sound redirection will contantly taking over some speaker while in hearing nav guidance or in handsfree call. Furthermore, in the wiki i explained how to use volume limiter in mtk engineering.

For Android 7.0 some app trying to reset the volume has been automatically denied so in that sense i said stabilized.

Also for the volume discrepancy there are three stanges of volume amplification. RSNAV INTERNAL SETUP(MTK ENGONEERING) - MMI/RADIO AUX INPUT GAIN SETUP - SOUND AMP GAIN SETUP.
When the sound redirection is active that adds two more steps within rsnav itself.

So every step has to be tuned to get sound volume leveled properly.

I know that's tiring but after rsnav sound processing, you need to tune yourself.

Indeed the sound volume adjustment scenario in rsnav is already too complicated and i want to ditch that sound redirection or whatever it's being called, but some still want to hear nav guidance voice mixed with audi radio or sat radio.

See?
It would be nice if we can make the one almighty setup for everyone, but everyone is in different situations and everyone wants something different.

I understand your frustration but it's not good to put down some people's efforts to follow and solve an issue by saying like 'this one never gets working'. As you can see, i am following the issue and explaining why if it's not easy to solve.

I appreciate your comments and passions, but I believe I must defend against misleads. It's not like we are doing nothing and expecting 'laissez faire' for problems.

But comments like this one never work properly really want me to quit everything already.

It's like my personal project became my job, and I am trying to be professional, but indeed I have lost my enthusiasm as I got bombed by emails and calls that pointing guns at me beyond one can handle. At the same time, I see my people in China also struggling with increased workloads.

Please stop pointing guns.

You can complain, but let's not insult.

For some clarification, the wording i felt offensive was, I quote,

'It was never stable and I have no hope that it will be stable.'

and I found similar tones by a specific person in multiple threads lately.

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There is no mtk Developer tool in android 7 under the described ways in wiki.


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[Erik83]

@a4android, is there a way for us to get access to the canbus data from the canbus module? Or do I have to add another device like the CANBus Triple ?

I'm looking to play around with the data (possible for an app), or when applicable supply some model specific information for patches e.g. the parking radar does not give any indication for me even though my sensors give an audible cue. So I'm guessing my sensor data might be on other message id's than for the models that do work.

[Rdspf]

Hi,
I currently figure out if I can handle the installation of the Rsnav system in my late 2009 A5 B8 manual transmission with MMI 3g (HDD Version) and OEM backup camera.

Regarding the combination of backup camera and manual transmission, have some questions:

1. is the relay needed in any time or just if the installation causes problems?

2. is it possible leaving the backup camera connected to the original mmi and just use it without the Relay?

3. where is the relay installed? In the Trunk?

Thank for your input!

[a4android]

There is no mtk Developer tool in android 7 under the described ways in wiki.


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MTK engineering access code for Android 7.0 is different from *#*#3646633#*#* but I forgot what the other code is.
Still you can download MTK engineering link app from Playstore and those works.

[a4android]

@a4android, is there a way for us to get access to the canbus data from the canbus module? Or do I have to add another device like the CANBus Triple ?

I'm looking to play around with the data (possible for an app), or when applicable supply some model specific information for patches e.g. the parking radar does not give any indication for me even though my sensors give an audible cue. So I'm guessing my sensor data might be on other message id's than for the models that do work.

The current CANBUS decoder is just relaying what is precoded functions in its rom. CAN_update.BIN is what includes some updates. For the parking radar, we believe it would work if we know what the message IDs are, but no one with that issue able to give us the required data. I was planning to go to Europe in person to figure this out, but our CANBUS guy is not willing to travel...

[a4android]

Ok, it there a way to downgrade to android 6?
can we follow the andoid7 update-guidline and install android 6? Do we need to think about the modem configuration after downgrading to android6?

Using this file?
https://drive.google.com/open?id=18X...nt36XWn1FQhC90

It's the same procedure like Android 7 update for the downgrade. Just use Android 6 flashable file and Android 6.0 modem files.
I believe you don't need to calibrate the modem for Android 6.0. I will ask my tech.

[a4android]

BTW, those who have modem issue with Android 7.0
Did you finish the modem calibration without an error?
I think I saw some people saying it's working without the calibration.

[JoeJoeJoe]

BTW, those who have modem issue with Android 7.0
Did you finish the modem calibration without an error?
I think I saw some people saying it's working without the calibration.

What do you mean with Modem calibration?

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[sickday]

I have uploaded fdd and tdd file which were included into the Update folder.
They are Different to the files i have downloaded from my device earlier.

[JoeJoeJoe]

My device has the android 7 pre installed. I didnt update anything. And the bug with mobile data is there too

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[cybernet99]

My device has the android 7 pre installed. I didnt update anything. And the bug with mobile data is there too

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Hey JoeJoeJoe, finally got around to taking a look at the version info for my install.

I'm running the following:
System:M8.q5.1.0.1.04232253
Mcu:7.2.1212
Can:Q5.V1.2.0.181222

I'm on HW 3.0, no issues with Audio.

I use OEM for bluetooth calls, PowerAmp for my music (audio files stored on MicroSD card in RSNAV), and Waze/Google Maps for navigation. I don't have any issues currently.

For me, after I first upgraded to HW 3.0 on Android 6, I had the issue of hibernation and the hibernation process killing PowerAmp, then the only way to get sound again was to reboot the device. I didn't notice if it affected any other apps, or all sound because I was focused on music and I wasn't on that setup for long. I upgraded to Android 7 within a month.

I think you mentioned you were going to try disabling Bluetooth. Did that help? I wonder if the system is switching between Bluetooth and the audio on the device and causing a problem for you? If there something I can try to see if I can recreate the sound crash as well on my install?

I want to try and help a bit more to ease up some of the work for Daniel if I can help some of you in the community.

I think we need to move issue tracking/bug fixes into a link off of Daniels site to make it easier to track and close, for us and the developers working on the issues in the background rather than trying to find them within the forum posts. I'm happy to build and host a Microsoft DevOps 2019 instance to work from.

[sickday]

I am using the following Software on HW3. (Android 7)
I am using an internal sim card without Bluetooth connection.


Android 6 was running without Sound issue but Android 7 Sound stops after hibernte Mode.
Mobile data connection stops after a short time also

[cybernet99]

I am using the following Software on HW3. (Android 7)
I am using an internal sim card without Bluetooth connection.


Android 6 was running without Sound issue but Android 7 Sound stops after hibernte Mode.
Mobile data connection stops after a short time also

Ok. So you are on a later release of Android. My release is from April if I am reading the version information correctly from the string, and yours appears to be from May.

I tether to my iphone for a hotspot so can’t help with the modem tuning or issues.

So maybe this is a bug that has been introduced in the latest version. If you roll back to the April version it should resolve the hibernation issue and losing sound.


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[cybernet99]

My device has the android 7 pre installed. I didnt update anything. And the bug with mobile data is there too

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Joe, what version are you at? April ...0423... or May ...0509...

I’m assuming your MCU & CAN are at the same versions as Sickday and I.


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[sickday]

I think there are 2 May Versions and both are final.
The April was the last beta?

Do you know about the changes between beta and final?

[cybernet99]

I think there are 2 May Versions and both are final.
The April was the last beta?

Do you know about the changes between beta and final?

Ok, you are right … just had look at the repository on GoogleDrive from RSNAV. It looks like there is for sure two versions from May, one 0509 & one 0515. There is also a new June update, 0601.

Daniel, can you post the April beta version again (0423) to see if it will fix the hibernation/audio crashing issues JoeJoeJoe and SickDay are having? The 0423 version is very stable for me in my use case.
It would be very helpful to keep a change log to show what is being updated for each version. This way people can look to see if an issue they are running into has been resolved and then choose to update or not. I think it would be very helpful to others in the community to keep previous versions around and available to downgrade longer.

[cybernet99]

Ok, you are right … just had look at the repository on GoogleDrive from RSNAV. It looks like there is for sure two versions from May, one 0509 & one 0515. There is also a new June update, 0601.

Daniel, can you post the April beta version again (0423) to see if it will fix the hibernation/audio crashing issues JoeJoeJoe and SickDay are having? The 0423 version is very stable for me in my use case.
It would be very helpful to keep a change log to show what is being updated for each version. This way people can look to see if an issue they are running into has been resolved and then choose to update or not. I think it would be very helpful to others in the community to keep previous versions around and available to downgrade longer.

Sorry, also to note, since both JoeJoeJoe and Sickday are in the EU, I'm running the NA version.

[mnemeth2027]

@cybernet99
Do you use the wireless dongle for CarPlay? Mine works but it disconnects in the middle of a ride.

I hoping you might be able to answer on more question. Is there a way to get autoplay to stop automatically opening when I have the dongle pulled in.

Btw... I get the sound issue they are referring to as well. I’m on the NA version. It doesn’t happen often, but it’s there. I also think I need to play with some of the sound levels, as when the dongle is pulled in it pretty loud, but if I switch to the android BT music, the volume is much lower.

It’s a great product, just need to iron out the issues. I think your idea of tracking issues and status/completion is a great idea!

Thanks,

Matt


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[JoeJoeJoe]

This is the software i have on my rsnav.
Ive done this steps for test now:
BT disconnected
Volume fixed at 12/15

The problem ist not on every start. So i have to look in the next daysIMG_20190602_192120.jpeg

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[Erik83]

The current CANBUS decoder is just relaying what is precoded functions in its rom. CAN_update.BIN is what includes some updates. For the parking radar, we believe it would work if we know what the message IDs are, but no one with that issue able to give us the required data. I was planning to go to Europe in person to figure this out, but our CANBUS guy is not willing to travel...

Daniel,
Your reply did not really clarify what option(s) we might have to acces the data. From past messages in this thread I understood you use a canbus decoder supplier, but it is unclear to me how much control _you_ have in modifying that firmware.

The current CANBUS decoder is just relaying what is precoded functions in its rom.

Can you be more specific what this means? I mean, when I read “ROM” and “CAN_update.bin” I kind of expect the ROM to contain a micro bootloader to bootstrap the firmware and have some code for updating firmware in a failsafe way. The firmware in this case I expect to be in de CAN_update.bin. At most I’d expect the ROM to decode the CANbus signals into data frames and forward that to the “firmware” for further processing. I have no idea what the “precoded functions” are or might do. Can you elaborate?

Basically I’m wondering if we could get a “pass through” firmware and expose the data on some TTY so we can process the can bus messages with can-utils or similar tools. There is currently too little public information for me to know how rsnav gets its data from that decoder and in what format.

Unfortunately the CANbus Triple device I mentioned is out of business and can’t be bought anymore. Have not found a satifying alternative, but at the same time I think exposing the RSnav CAN decoder data could be an alternative.


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[a4android]

Daniel,
Your reply did not really clarify what option(s) we might have to acces the data. From past messages in this thread I understood you use a canbus decoder supplier, but it is unclear to me how much control _you_ have in modifying that firmware.


Can you be more specific what this means? I mean, when I read “ROM” and “CAN_update.bin” I kind of expect the ROM to contain a micro bootloader to bootstrap the firmware and have some code for updating firmware in a failsafe way. The firmware in this case I expect to be in de CAN_update.bin. At most I’d expect the ROM to decode the CANbus signals into data frames and forward that to the “firmware” for further processing. I have no idea what the “precoded functions” are or might do. Can you elaborate?

Basically I’m wondering if we could get a “pass through” firmware and expose the data on some TTY so we can process the can bus messages with can-utils or similar tools. There is currently too little public information for me to know how rsnav gets its data from that decoder and in what format.

Unfortunately the CANbus Triple device I mentioned is out of business and can’t be bought anymore. Have not found a satifying alternative, but at the same time I think exposing the RSnav CAN decoder data could be an alternative.


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Following is information from the manual of our canbus decoder system.
(Original written in Chinese)

Support original car ACC signal, including OFF, ACC, operation, and
ignition status identification.
Support original car lighting signals, including small lamp status and
light intensity information.
Support the original car reversing signal.
Support original car gear, hand brake, door, speed, speed, steering wheel
angle, mileage, original car date and time letter
Interest (Note 2).
Support the original car air conditioning signal.
Support original car radar alarm switch and radar distance information
(Note 2). <--- This is all about parktornic(ultrasonic sensors). Not
Adaptive Cruise Control.
Support the original car steering wheel control signal. (Note 2)
Supports the original car MMI control panel signal (Note 2).
Support MMI media source selection status
Support original car bus sleep/wake recognition (Note 4).

Note 2: Depends on car model and software availability.
Note 4: Add this host to use this information as a background fast boot and
delayed shutdown.

Serial communication protocol
Physical layer description
Using standard UART communication interface, the logic level is 3.3V or 5V
(depending on the pull-up resistor of the audio host)
TTL level, UART works in 8N1 mode, ie 8-bit data bit, no parity, one stop
bit, the baud rate is fixed at 38,400 bps.

Link layer description:
>> HOST: NAVI host
>>SLAVE: Bus Decoder

Data frame structure

Data sequence data content note
1, Head Code, Fix to 0x2E
2, Data Type, See the table below Data Type Definition
3, Length, data length
4, Data0
5, Data1
6 ...
... Datan
N, Checksum, SUM(DataType, Length, Data0,...Datan )^0xFF

ACK/NACK
a) ACK/NACK definition
Data sequence data content note
1 ACK/NACK, 0xFF =E2=80=93 ACK
0xF0 =E2=80=93 NACK (Checksun NG)
0xF3 =E2=80=93 NACK (Not Support)
0xFC =E2=80=93 NACK (Busy)
The response frame is only completed by one byte.

b) After receiving one frame of data, the receiving end shall return ACK or
NACK within 10ms, and connect ACK/NACK.
The receiving end should be able to receive ACK/NACK within 0 to 100 ms.

c) If no ACK is received within 100ms, the frame data will be resent, if
the number of retransmissions is three,
All the transmissions will stop and the corresponding error will be handled=.


1. Data Type definition

Slave -> Host
No/definition/description/code/comment
1/ decoder capability set information/ 0x10/ V1.09 modified, increased oil
capacity bit
2/ Vehicle basic information/ 0x12
3/ Light intensity information/ 0x14
4/ speed information/ 0x16
5/ Vehicle dynamic information/ 0x18/ V1.09 modified, increased fuel
quantity information
6/ Mileage Information/ 0x1A
7/ Vehicle auxiliary information/ 0x1B
8/ original car date information/ 0x1C
9/ original car time information/ 0x1D
10/ MMI button information/ 0x20
11/ Steering button information/ 0x21
12/ Air conditioning information/ 0x24
13/ Radar distance information/ 0x26
14/ MMI media source selection status / 0x28
15/ decoder version information/ 0x30
16/ decoder test request message/ 0x7C

Host -> Slave
1 Start/End 0x81
2 Query Command 0x90
3 Install the host working mode 0xA0
4 test response message 0xEC
5 host self test message 0xED

Note: Unless otherwise stated, the information is only reported when it
changes, and it is reported irregularly (tentatively).

RX (Slave to Host)Example

Decoder capability set information [0x10]
Data/ sequence data content /note
Data Type/ 0x10 /data type
Length/ 0x04/ data length
Data0/ valid indication/
Bit7: gear position
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit6: Handbrake
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit5: car door
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit4: headlights
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit3: car lock
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit2: foot brake
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit1: Driver seat belt
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit0: Co-pilot belt
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Data1 valid indication Bit7: speed
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit6: Speed
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit5: tire corner
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit4: MMI button
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit3: square control button
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit2: Radar distance
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit1: mileage
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit0: Current oil quantity (new in V1.09)
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Data2 valid indication Bit7: Left front window glass
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit6: Right front window glass
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit5: Left rear window glass
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit4: Right rear window glass
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit3: Skylight
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit2: glass lock
0b- invalid; 1b-valid;
Bit0~1: Reserved;
Data3 reservation

TX (Host to slave) Example

Start/End [0x81]
Data sequence/ data content/ note
Data Type/ 0x81/ data type
Length/ 0x01/ data length
Data0/ command
0x01: Start (HOST sends this command when the system starts) / Connected,
HOST receives a response from SLAVE to establish. the connection is
successful and communication is possible)
0x00: End (HOST sends this command when the system is shut down) / Open
connection, HOST receives a response from SLAVE indicating disconnection
The connection is successful and Host will no longer communicate with Slave=
)

Query command [0x90]
Data sequence/ data content/ note
Data Type/ 0x90/ data type
Length/ 0x01/ data length
Data0/ query command
0x10: decoder capability set information
0x12: Basic vehicle information
0x14: Light intensity information
0x16: Speed information
0x18: Vehicle dynamic information
0x1A: Vehicle maintenance information
0x1B: Vehicle assistance information
0x1C: original car date information
0x1D: original car time information
0x24: Air conditioning information
0x26: Radar distance information
0x28: MMI media source selection status information
0x30: decoder version information

Add host working mode information [0xA0]
Data Type 0xA0
Length 0x02
Data0/ working mode
0x00: shutdown status;
0x01: working status;
Other values are reserved;
Data1 reservation reserved
Note: When adding a host requires the decoder to switch to the original car
AUX mode, you need to send a working status command.
Note: This command is temporarily invalid because the decoder does not
support active switching of the original car mode.

Test response information [0xEC]
Data sequence/ data content/ note
Data Type/ 0xEC/ data type
Length/ 0x03/ data length
Data0 status
Bit7: ACC I/O status;
Bit6: Reverse I/O status;
Bit5: small light I/O status;
Bit0: Sleep line I/O status;

Data1 working hours
ACC ON time, in seconds;
Valid values: 0~0xFE; when the activation time is greater than 0xFE,
Often 0xFE.

Data2 activation time
The sleep line is high, in seconds;
Valid values: 0~0xFE; when the activation time is greater than 0xFE,
Often 0xFE.

Host self test message [0xED]
Data sequence/ data content/ note
Data Type/ 0xED/ data type
Length/ 0x3/ data length
Data0
Test status
0x00: The test is completed;
0x01: in test

Other values are reserved;
Data1 test project host side self-definition
Data2 test project status host side self-definition

[a4android]

RSNAV.com is down due to a major network breakdown with an Eastern Canadian web hosting service.
Oh Canada.

[cybernet99]

@cybernet99
Do you use the wireless dongle for CarPlay? Mine works but it disconnects in the middle of a ride.

I hoping you might be able to answer on more question. Is there a way to get autoplay to stop automatically opening when I have the dongle pulled in.

Btw... I get the sound issue they are referring to as well. I’m on the NA version. It doesn’t happen often, but it’s there. I also think I need to play with some of the sound levels, as when the dongle is pulled in it pretty loud, but if I switch to the android BT music, the volume is much lower.

It’s a great product, just need to iron out the issues. I think your idea of tracking issues and status/completion is a great idea!

Thanks,

Matt


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Hey Matt,

I used the wired dongle in my Audi (RSNAV) and wireless dongle in my Mercedes-Benz. Both work the same for what you are looking to change. When the AutoKit launches, click on the gear icon in the top left of the screen (I think it might be in the top right if you are on an older version of the AutoKit software). From there you are able to change the settings so that it will not automatically start when it detects that the phone is plugged in. You can also check for updates for both the .apk (software) and the box (firmware). You will need to be tethered to your phones Wi-Fi or have a sim in the unit to be able to download the updates.

To figure out what volume levels you need to adjust, with your music playing through the dongle, open the settings app and go into the volume settings. Try adjusting each of the sliders, paying attention to what level they were before you start adjusting. try to adjust each of them until you find the one that controls the volume level for the AutoPlay, then adjust it to match the output through other settings. (you might want to take a photo of the volume settings before adjusting any of them so you can refer back to it if needed before making any changes.

What version of software are you on? I'm on 0423, seems to be solid. I'm wondering if a bug has been introduced in the newer software versions.

I'm working on standing up a server to run Microsoft DevOps 2019 Community edition. See if we can run this as a code and issue/bug tracking repository for the community, will take a few days.

[mnemeth2027]

Hey Matt,

I used the wired dongle in my Audi (RSNAV) and wireless dongle in my Mercedes-Benz. Both work the same for what you are looking to change. When the AutoKit launches, click on the gear icon in the top left of the screen (I think it might be in the top right if you are on an older version of the AutoKit software). From there you are able to change the settings so that it will not automatically start when it detects that the phone is plugged in. You can also check for updates for both the .apk (software) and the box (firmware). You will need to be tethered to your phones Wi-Fi or have a sim in the unit to be able to download the updates.

To figure out what volume levels you need to adjust, with your music playing through the dongle, open the settings app and go into the volume settings. Try adjusting each of the sliders, paying attention to what level they were before you start adjusting. try to adjust each of them until you find the one that controls the volume level for the AutoPlay, then adjust it to match the output through other settings. (you might want to take a photo of the volume settings before adjusting any of them so you can refer back to it if needed before making any changes.

What version of software are you on? I'm on 0423, seems to be solid. I'm wondering if a bug has been introduced in the newer software versions.

I'm working on standing up a server to run Microsoft DevOps 2019 Community edition. See if we can run this as a code and issue/bug tracking repository for the community, will take a few days.

Thanks for the reply!!! I’ll check it out as soon as I can.


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[saferisk]

Hi all, I was wondering how this was enabled? I've already gone into developer mode and "allowed 1080p" mode. When I plug into autoplay I still get a really stretched screen (which I think might also be partially cause by it not showing landscape but a stretched portrait mode?) either way, I really want what was in the photos. Help anyone?

[saferisk]

Wide screen resolution support will get better.

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Sorry A4 android, I meant these photos.

[remydedez]

Hello, i have rsa-12 hw3.0 with android 6.0 and i don't have any sounds on some applications like waze or spotify. Do you know how to resolve this problem ? thanks ;)

[JoeJoeJoe]

This is the software i have on my rsnav.
Ive done this steps for test now:
BT disconnected
Volume fixed at 12/15

The problem ist not on every start. So i have to look in the next daysIMG_20190602_192120.jpeg

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@cybernet: Problem is still there :(.

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[KenBot74]

My thoughts after 6 weeks with the RSA-B129. Most of these comments are probably valid for any variant of the 10.25" models.

What I love:

• Split screen support - You have to turn this on through Android's developer options menu. The screen is really too wide to be useful for any single application. Having the ability to have maps on one side and audio on the other is huge.
• Audio quality - Despite being on the "aux" channel there is no noticeable degradation in volume or quality. It should be noted that I needed to turn the RSNav volume WAY DOWN to achieve this state.
• General integration with original OEM features - It should be noted that mt install is not fully functional and Daniel is working to correct this... but the stuff that is working is great
• Adding touch screen to an Audi - I am perplexed as to why Audi does not add touch screen support... this makes all the difference

Stuff I wish was different:

• Hardware volume - The smallest change in the hardware volume knob produces big changes in volume. In one position the sound is too low, moving the volume knob one position louder produces a volume that is too loud. I eventually have to use my finger to drag the Android volume slider to the right position. Is there a way to adjust this?
• Track control - On Google Play music, this seems to just to to the beginning of a playlist and does not go to the next or previous track. Not sure if anything can be done about this...
• Car info app - This one... I am hoping use of this feature can be made optional. I find that it is always coming up when I am trying to fiddle with the RSNav. Every time someone opens a door or changes the state of their seat belt, the screen is taken over by this app. In all honesty, it does not provide any information not present in other places and forces to me sit and wait until it's done showing that information. I would love it if I could disable this...
• Forum support - I avoid positing things because I don't want to create a confusing conversation in a single thread when somebody else is looking for answers. I also run a small business that requires online support and for about $20 (USD) per moth, I get a full hosted and supported forum with my domain name on it. I know this can create a situation where you need to "find" all the support requests, but you can make a support channel for this... everything outside of it is just community talk.

In terms of other stuff I have seen pop up here... my install does not work properly, but there was nothing underhanded about it. I emailed Daniel before purchase, he said it should work. I installed it, told him it didn't work properly and now he is looking to fix it. He has also offered a refund. Certainly not an ideal experience, but not a bad one either.

I REALLY hope split screen works on Android 7... it is, by far, my favorite thing about RS-NAV.

[JoeJoeJoe]

My thoughts after 6 weeks with the RSA-B129. Most of these comments are probably valid for any variant of the 10.25" models.

What I love:

• Split screen support - You have to turn this on through Android's developer options menu. The screen is really too wide to be useful for any single application. Having the ability to have maps on one side and audio on the other is huge.
• Audio quality - Despite being on the "aux" channel there is no noticeable degradation in volume or quality. It should be noted that I needed to turn the RSNav volume WAY DOWN to achieve this state.
• General integration with original OEM features - It should be noted that mt install is not fully functional and Daniel is working to correct this... but the stuff that is working is great
• Adding touch screen to an Audi - I am perplexed as to why Audi does not add touch screen support... this makes all the difference

Stuff I wish was different:

• Hardware volume - The smallest change in the hardware volume knob produces big changes in volume. In one position the sound is too low, moving the volume knob one position louder produces a volume that is too loud. I eventually have to use my finger to drag the Android volume slider to the right position. Is there a way to adjust this?
• Track control - On Google Play music, this seems to just to to the beginning of a playlist and does not go to the next or previous track. Not sure if anything can be done about this...
• Car info app - This one... I am hoping use of this feature can be made optional. I find that it is always coming up when I am trying to fiddle with the RSNav. Every time someone opens a door or changes the state of their seat belt, the screen is taken over by this app. In all honesty, it does not provide any information not present in other places and forces to me sit and wait until it's done showing that information. I would love it if I could disable this...
• Forum support - I avoid positing things because I don't want to create a confusing conversation in a single thread when somebody else is looking for answers. I also run a small business that requires online support and for about $20 (USD) per moth, I get a full hosted and supported forum with my domain name on it. I know this can create a situation where you need to "find" all the support requests, but you can make a support channel for this... everything outside of it is just community talk.

In terms of other stuff I have seen pop up here... my install does not work properly, but there was nothing underhanded about it. I emailed Daniel before purchase, he said it should work. I installed it, told him it didn't work properly and now he is looking to fix it. He has also offered a refund. Certainly not an ideal experience, but not a bad one either.

I REALLY hope split screen works on Android 7... it is, by far, my favorite thing about RS-NAV.

Hardware volume: with volynx (playstore) you can fix the volume in android to a value. In this case you just turn up the mmi.

Track control: is it correct in other apps like spotify?

Car Info: in RS Settings is an option to turn off the pop up. I think its the osd menu

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[nivige]

I have all works steadily, as on Android 6 worked well so and on Android 7 all works with sound there is no problems. SIM card is also working constantly, 4g signal never disappeared. For 8 months work no claims. never had to reboot it. CarPlay constantly use, too, without comment. RSNAV works all day both in traffic and in the Parking lot. Noticed one with the original Apple cable had malfunctions, replaced the cable with Chinese, the problems were gone. I use the Daniel filter.
It happens but not often that there is an Audi interface and then only when you change the mode of movement/Parking during the trip this is not.

I don't use Bluetooth.
Wi-Fi is sometimes necessary.
AppleMusic really RSNAV work when I need the phone.
So I do not understand how anyone can have problems with RSNAV.

I am very glad that I use RSNAV Sorry that I did not buy in 2017.