Stage 4 S7??

[paulmc]

Anyone on here gone over stage 3 on S6/7? Found plenty info on stage 1,2&3 but nothing higher that 700bhp.

I am looking at either tte800 or maybe even tte9xx turbos. I guess upgrading parts as I go is not an issue but cant find any info on the gearbox above stage 3. I will be running over 1000nm. uprated clamp pressure and clutches is easy enough but what about the box itself? anyone seen any info??

[ericw.]

Anyone on here gone over stage 3 on S6/7? Found plenty info on stage 1,2&3 but nothing higher that 700bhp.

I am looking at either tte800 or maybe even tte9xx turbos. I guess upgrading parts as I go is not an issue but cant find any info on the gearbox above stage 3. I will be running over 1000nm. uprated clamp pressure and clutches is easy enough but what about the box itself? anyone seen any info??

Once you swap turbos, anything you do after that is still stage 3. Stage 3 is the max in the Audi world.

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[Rudolfo]

I hate to say it but you're both dead wrong. It's well documented that hybrid turbos make our cars Stage 3.5.

To the OP, my best advice to you if you want a very fast car would be to send in your stock turbos to TTE and go with their TTE800 upgrade. It's the same exact thing as TTE9xx except for the black paint. These turbos are worth just about 50 HP at the crank when combined with bigger inlets. Make sure you have MRC tune the car and have him ramp up the torque gradually so it doesn't kill the gearbox.

[paulmc]

just not sure tte800 is enough. once I do all the work to get reliable power over 700 (charge cooler needs addressed which wont be easy) I will prob want more than 800. I just like being different and trying something new. Cant believe tte would do that. I read somewhere they uprated both sides for the tte9xx whereas only compressor was modded in tte800. Hmmm, need to do some research re the turbos then.

well I am calling mine stage 4

[Rudolfo]

If you check the TTE thread on here you can find more info including photos of both turbo upgrades. Only thing that's different is the black paint. TTE does it so they can appeal to two different markets... the cheapskates and the ballers.

TTE does a lot of wacky stuff like this. For example, they'll deny that they supply MTM with their turbo upgrades but they do. MTM charges something like 50,000 euros for the same turbos you can get for 2500 Euros or so lol.

Wouldn't be too concerned with cooling with just TTE800 turbos. Cooling only became an issue on the Russian car when they went to Garrett GTX turbos and tried making over 1000hp on the factory RS cooler. Just go with the APR heat exchanger and wire in a toggle switch to your pump so you can have it run whenever you want. Can be beneficial to having it run in certain situations where it otherwise wouldn't be.

just not sure tte800 is enough. once I do all the work to get reliable power over 700 (charge cooler needs addressed which wont be easy) I will prob want more than 800. I just like being different and trying something new. Cant believe tte would do that. I read somewhere they uprated both sides for the tte9xx whereas only compressor was modded in tte800. Hmmm, need to do some research re the turbos then.

well I am calling mine stage 4

[Ze_Nardo6]

I hate to say it but you're both dead wrong. It's well documented that hybrid turbos make our cars Stage 3.5.

Is it? Because I spend quite a bit of time on these forums (maybe too much) and I have literally never seen a single person mention a 3.5 stage, except you.

[p3u]

Back in my B5 days the accepted nomenclature for anything greater than the largest factory turbo available (rs4 turbo on the s4 for example) would be considered stage 3+. Rs6 hybrids, tials, etc, 3+ would be it.

Stage 3.5? What did you do, put in an extra half of an upgrade lol

[Rudolfo]

You missed my sarcasm. The whole stage thing is kind of ridiculous and pointless. It can be whatever stage you want it to be. There's no authority or official naming conventions for any of these modifications.

I'm old school so I still believe my S6 is "stock." Back in the day as long as you didn't make any radical changes such as replacing or modifying engine internals to raise compression, increase displacement or otherwise change the engine in some other form or fashion where it couldn't otherwise do on its own, such as by adding forced induction, nitrous etc, then it was considered "stock." I still feel the same way. It makes sense. I haven't made any of those changes to the engine (it's turbocharged but comes from the factory like that) so to me it's stock. To this day there are still numerous "stock" classes in several forms of racing (drag racing, road racing etc) where certain modifications are allowed.

Is it? Because I spend quite a bit of time on these forums (maybe too much) and I have literally never seen a single person mention a 3.5 stage, except you.

[Ze_Nardo6]

You missed my sarcasm. The whole stage thing is kind of ridiculous and pointless. It can be whatever stage you want it to be. There's no authority or official naming conventions for any of these modifications.

I'm old school so I still believe my S6 is "stock." Back in the day as long as you didn't make any radical changes such as replacing or modifying engine internals to raise compression, increase displacement or otherwise change the engine in some other form or fashion where it couldn't otherwise do on its own, such as by adding forced induction, nitrous etc, then it was considered "stock." I still feel the same way. It makes sense. I haven't made any of those changes to the engine (it's turbocharged but comes from the factory like that) so to me it's stock. To this day there are still numerous "stock" classes in several forms of racing (drag racing, road racing etc) where certain modifications are allowed.

Ahh gotcha, sarcasm is tough to gauge via text

[paulmc]

does it really matter what its called?

to remove any ambiguity I want over 900bhp. Will I ever get there? who knows, see how I get on and if I get fed up before I get there.

[mgmarsh39]

NOS

[Ze_Nardo6]

does it really matter what its called?

to remove any ambiguity I want over 900bhp. Will I ever get there? who knows, see how I get on and if I get fed up before I get there.

900hp will be tough, even on a race file

[paulmc]

Will be on pump fuel only. I cant be bothered with anything that is not readily available so Race gas and NOS are out.

I agree 700-800 seems manageable. See how it goes. might fall flat on my face but will be fun trying

[lapsandwich]

http://http://www.stertman.se/motor/2165-the-turbo-engineers-audi-40tfsi-tte9xx-uppgraderings-turbos.html

Click those pictures and go through them all until you see photo number 6. Shows the stock rs6 turbine Vs the TTE9xx turbine. They’re Completely different wheels. Maybe that damn black paint is making them look different. You guys be the judge.

I actually found that stertman link from a post that Rudolfo created under another account a while back.http://http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/742228-TTE-Upgraded-Turbo-Info-Thread?highlight=Tte

[Rudolfo]

Look at the pic one or two pics before that one and tell me if that turbine wheel looks the same or if it looks much much smaller. I don't think they can fit a turbine wheel that much bigger than stock in the stock housings even if they machine them. That is like much much bigger and the pic of the wheel in the housing looks tiny and of the same size as the stock turbine wheel.

Even if you're right and I'm wrong who knows if using a huge turbine wheel like that is even beneficial. Maybe it's just adding a bunch of heat which the liquid to air intercooling design can't deal with.

The current RS7 1/4 mile record holders are all running OEM turbos. The guy who had TTE9XX turbos including larger inlets, custom tuning, gutted interior, etc. went only marginally faster than them (trap) with a slightly slower ET.

On the other hand the TTE800 turbos have been dyno proven to add around 50hp at the crank when combined with inlets. These are the turbos I'd get if I were to upgrade.

http://http://www.stertman.se/motor/2165-the-turbo-engineers-audi-40tfsi-tte9xx-uppgraderings-turbos.html

Click those pictures and go through them all until you see photo number 6. Shows the stock rs6 turbine Vs the TTE9xx turbine. They’re Completely different wheels. Maybe that damn black paint is making them look different. You guys be the judge.

I actually found that stertman link from a post that Rudolfo created under another account a while back.http://http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/742228-TTE-Upgraded-Turbo-Info-Thread?highlight=Tte

[madyspop]

I'm working on a true ballbearing setup as we speak. Turbos are done as well as the tune, finishing up all the custom lines and should have everything buttoned up by tomorrow. Garrett GT2871 in OEM housings will be making easily 800Hp running far less boost then the RS7 setup.

Feel free to PM me as I will be marketing this is a complete kit very soon. There will also be an RS7 build which we're also doing as we speak, it will have the Billet wheel GT2873 which should be closer to 900hp conservatively. The billet option will work on either the S or RS turbos as they're both going to maintain the OEM housings for bolt on fitment.

[Ze_Nardo6]

I'm working on a true ballbearing setup as we speak. Turbos are done as well as the tune, finishing up all the custom lines and should have everything buttoned up by tomorrow. Garrett GT2871 in OEM housings will be making easily 800Hp running far less boost then the RS7 setup.

Feel free to PM me as I will be marketing this is a complete kit very soon. There will also be an RS7 build which we're also doing as we speak, it will have the Billet wheel GT2873 which should be closer to 900hp conservatively. The billet option will work on either the S or RS turbos as they're both going to maintain the OEM housings for bolt on fitment.

Definitely interested to see results. Good timing too Caesar, lots of S guys looking to upgrade snails in the next 6 months. A barrier to entry I see is software. Who could provide tuning for these?

[Chris Morales]

I'm working on a true ballbearing setup as we speak. Turbos are done as well as the tune, finishing up all the custom lines and should have everything buttoned up by tomorrow. Garrett GT2871 in OEM housings will be making easily 800Hp running far less boost then the RS7 setup.

Feel free to PM me as I will be marketing this is a complete kit very soon. There will also be an RS7 build which we're also doing as we speak, it will have the Billet wheel GT2873 which should be closer to 900hp conservatively. The billet option will work on either the S or RS turbos as they're both going to maintain the OEM housings for bolt on fitment.

That's crazy big news, but the big question is who is doing the tune? And my personal question is whether that tuner can deal with an S8.

I guess you aren't too concerned about the intercooler being a restriction. Are you using a replacement?

[madyspop]

Definitely interested to see results. Good timing too Caesar, lots of S guys looking to upgrade snails in the next 6 months. A barrier to entry I see is software. Who could provide tuning for these?

Won’t be dropping any names just yet as we’re yet to finalize how we’ll be rolling this out.


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[RSLRS71]

Anyone on here gone over stage 3 on S6/7? Found plenty info on stage 1,2&3 but nothing higher that 700bhp.

I am looking at either tte800 or maybe even tte9xx turbos. I guess upgrading parts as I go is not an issue but cant find any info on the gearbox above stage 3. I will be running over 1000nm. uprated clamp pressure and clutches is easy enough but what about the box itself? anyone seen any info??

good luck, these guys in here arent about that life. lol time to forge a new path....

[madyspop]

That's crazy big news, but the big question is who is doing the tune? And my personal question is whether that tuner can deal with an S8.

I guess you aren't too concerned about the intercooler being a restriction. Are you using a replacement?

Well aware of the intercooler being a restriction but a replacement along with a custom manifold are the next parts to be developed.


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[lapsandwich]

That's crazy big news, but the big question is who is doing the tune? And my personal question is whether that tuner can deal with an S8.

I guess you aren't too concerned about the intercooler being a restriction. Are you using a replacement?

I might be wrong on this one. But if the engine is running less boost on a bigger turbo, cooling might not be as big of an issue? Drive pressure in the manifolds should also be greatly reduced.

Do you have any pictures of these turbos? I think we’re all pretty curious.

[Rudolfo]

While I certainly applaud both your non cookie cutter approach and optimism, I think you're in for a rude awakening. Since you owned a B5 S4 like me and you've been around for a while, I should remind you about all the guys who used to stuff huge K16, K24, etc. compressor wheels in their K04 turbos. They made NO more power than factory K04s because they were limited by the exhaust housings. They did have more lag though. Based on what we've seen so far (Dads RS7 with the TTE9XX turbos and the Russian/Total Race RS7 who tried but failed to make power with hybrids), I'd say we're up against the same hurdle here.

I'm working on a true ballbearing setup as we speak. Turbos are done as well as the tune, finishing up all the custom lines and should have everything buttoned up by tomorrow. Garrett GT2871 in OEM housings will be making easily 800Hp running far less boost then the RS7 setup.

Feel free to PM me as I will be marketing this is a complete kit very soon. There will also be an RS7 build which we're also doing as we speak, it will have the Billet wheel GT2873 which should be closer to 900hp conservatively. The billet option will work on either the S or RS turbos as they're both going to maintain the OEM housings for bolt on fitment.

[paulmc]

While I certainly applaud both your non cookie cutter approach and optimism, I think you're in for a rude awakening. Since you owned a B5 S4 like me and you've been around for a while, I should remind you about all the guys who used to stuff huge K16, K24, etc. compressor wheels in their K04 turbos. They made NO more power than factory K04s because they were limited by the exhaust housings. They did have more lag though. Based on what we've seen so far (Dads RS7 with the TTE9XX turbos and the Russian/Total Race RS7 who tried but failed to make power with hybrids), I'd say we're up against the same hurdle here.

Yes but i think engineering has moved on from the "older" stuff. just look a the 2.0 EA888 engine in the Audi S3. Slap on a big turbo and make close on 600bhp. That's crazy power for little or no effort from a 2000cc engine. Surely the 4.0 can easy push out over with supporting mods. 900bhp?? Until its tested I guess we wont know. Even if the manifold turns out to restrict flow just fab up a new one?

[Ze_Nardo6]

Won’t be dropping any names just yet as we’re yet to finalize how we’ll be rolling this out.

Going to be tough for many, myself included, to trust a tuner outside the major groups we see here (APR EPL and Uni) when pushing the cars to these levels. Again, excited to see your results nonetheless.

[Rudolfo]

But that "big turbo" isn't a stock turbo with a compressor upgrade aka a "hybrid" turbo. Those upgrades you speak of for the MQB cars are completely new turbochargers, either Borg Warner EFR, Garrett, Xona Rotor, etc. According to madyspop's post, he's retaining stock housings and just using a larger compressor wheel. Not gonna do much except introduce a ton of lag.

I don't even see how you can upgrade just the compressor wheels to non-IHI components. Maybe he misspoke and these turbos are getting new Garrett center sections (CHRAs)? If so, those aren't gonna be utilizing stock housings anymore.

Yes but i think engineering has moved on from the "older" stuff. just look a the 2.0 EA888 engine in the Audi S3. Slap on a big turbo and make close on 600bhp. That's crazy power for little or no effort from a 2000cc engine. Surely the 4.0 can easy push out over with supporting mods. 900bhp?? Until its tested I guess we wont know. Even if the manifold turns out to restrict flow just fab up a new one?

[averagejoe26]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sMbbpl_xRgc

I don't know if you can daily drive this anymore??

[ehofmann]

You probably could up until you suck in a small bird lol


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[madyspop]

While I certainly applaud both your non cookie cutter approach and optimism, I think you're in for a rude awakening. Since you owned a B5 S4 like me and you've been around for a while, I should remind you about all the guys who used to stuff huge K16, K24, etc. compressor wheels in their K04 turbos. They made NO more power than factory K04s because they were limited by the exhaust housings. They did have more lag though. Based on what we've seen so far (Dads RS7 with the TTE9XX turbos and the Russian/Total Race RS7 who tried but failed to make power with hybrids), I'd say we're up against the same hurdle here.

Already been taken care of, exhaust housings were machined as well.

[madyspop]

But that "big turbo" isn't a stock turbo with a compressor upgrade aka a "hybrid" turbo. Those upgrades you speak of for the MQB cars are completely new turbochargers, either Borg Warner EFR, Garrett, Xona Rotor, etc. According to madyspop's post, he's retaining stock housings and just using a larger compressor wheel. Not gonna do much except introduce a ton of lag.

I don't even see how you can upgrade just the compressor wheels to non-IHI components. Maybe he misspoke and these turbos are getting new Garrett center sections (CHRAs)? If so, those aren't gonna be utilizing stock housings anymore.

Both housings were modified to accept the Garrett turbos, it's not just a larger compressor wheel.

[madyspop]

Going to be tough for many, myself included, to trust a tuner outside the major groups we see here (APR EPL and Uni) when pushing the cars to these levels. Again, excited to see your results nonetheless.

I don't expect anyone to do what I'm doing and it may end up being an epic fail only time will tell. I understand how some would hesitate to try something new but the tuner I'm working with is well known and has held more than a dozen world record times on various platforms, he's pretty skilled.

[Rudolfo]

Just curious, how were you able to tune the car if the lines for the turbos weren't finished?

I'm working on a true ballbearing setup as we speak. Turbos are done as well as the tune, finishing up all the custom lines and should have everything buttoned up by tomorrow. Garrett GT2871 in OEM housings will be making easily 800Hp running far less boost then the RS7 setup.

Feel free to PM me as I will be marketing this is a complete kit very soon. There will also be an RS7 build which we're also doing as we speak, it will have the Billet wheel GT2873 which should be closer to 900hp conservatively. The billet option will work on either the S or RS turbos as they're both going to maintain the OEM housings for bolt on fitment.

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Let's see some teaser pics.

[ericw.]

Just curious, how were you able to tune the car if the lines for the turbos weren't finished?



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I'm gonna go out on a limb and call bullshit on you madyspop. Let's see even a teaser pic.

Dude why are you even worried about it? Big turbo spool will be too "rice" for you anyway.

[Rudolfo]

I think a project like this would've been far better suited for the A8 4.0T than the S6. With the S6, you not only have the question of reliability of the DL501 trans but with those turbos it's gonna be extremely difficult to get the shifting/tuning dialed in. Car will be bouncing off the rev limiter in every gear, assuming the trans even holds up.

With the A8, you have the same 8-speed ZF auto as the RS7. Would be a lot easier in terms of holding the torque and shifting cleanly.

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Why did you add that calling bullshit line to my quoted post? I didn't write that.

If you check his posts you'll see he's been trying to sell his GIAC ECU and TCU for a few weeks now. So this is probably legit.

Dude why are you even worried about it? Big turbo spool will be too "rice" for you anyway.

[madyspop]

I might be wrong on this one. But if the engine is running less boost on a bigger turbo, cooling might not be as big of an issue? Drive pressure in the manifolds should also be greatly reduced.

Do you have any pictures of these turbos? I think we’re all pretty curious.

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[madyspop]

Just curious, how were you able to tune the car if the lines for the turbos weren't finished?



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Let's see some teaser pics.

You don’t need the car or a dyno to tune a car, sure you can enhance the tune based on logs once the car is up and running. All you need for a baseline tune is someone who knows the turbos and the coding of the ECU.

Go ahead and call bullshit if you must, why would I be in hear sharing false information? Or be like you coming off as if you know everything there is to know about our platform?

You should be applauding me for trying something new that everyone in the community can benefit from. Rather you want to bash or be negative, exactly why this forum is becoming comical.


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[madyspop]

But that "big turbo" isn't a stock turbo with a compressor upgrade aka a "hybrid" turbo. Those upgrades you speak of for the MQB cars are completely new turbochargers, either Borg Warner EFR, Garrett, Xona Rotor, etc. According to madyspop's post, he's retaining stock housings and just using a larger compressor wheel. Not gonna do much except introduce a ton of lag.

I don't even see how you can upgrade just the compressor wheels to non-IHI components. Maybe he misspoke and these turbos are getting new Garrett center sections (CHRAs)? If so, those aren't gonna be utilizing stock housings anymore.

They are using stock housings, stop speculating about my build I’ll release info as I get it.

I’m nowhere near the techie most of you are I just want to try something new. It may not work but who cares I’ll live with it.


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[madyspop]

I think a project like this would've been far better suited for the A8 4.0T than the S6. With the S6, you not only have the question of reliability of the DL501 trans but with those turbos it's gonna be extremely difficult to get the shifting/tuning dialed in. Car will be bouncing off the rev limiter in every gear, assuming the trans even holds up.

With the A8, you have the same 8-speed ZF auto as the RS7. Would be a lot easier in terms of holding the torque and shifting cleanly.

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Why did you add that calling bullshit line to my quoted post? I didn't write that.

If you check his posts you'll see he's been trying to sell his GIAC ECU and TCU for a few weeks now. So this is probably legit.

Then go buy an A8 and try it out, I own an S6 so that's my canvas.

[Rudolfo]

I did applaude you. Look back at my earlier posts. Props to you (and or the shop with all the world records) for the non cookie cutter approach.

When you said the tune was finished I thought you meant the tuning was done. What you're saying is you have been given a base tune so you can just drive the car around town.

What fuel are you planning on running?

You don’t need the car or a dyno to tune a car, sure you can enhance the tune based on logs once the car is up and running. All you need for a baseline tune is someone who knows the turbos and the coding of the ECU.

Go ahead and call bullshit if you must, why would I be in hear sharing false information? Or be like you coming off as if you know everything there is to know about our platform?

You should be applauding me for trying something new that everyone in the community can benefit from. Rather you want to bash or be negative, exactly why this forum is becoming comical.


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[Rudolfo]

Assuming the shop doing this is either Shep, AMS or Buschur.