Lawsuit Investigation into Audi Transmission Problems

[Eclemente]

Sign up and spread the word!!

https://www.classaction.org/audi-tra...ng+Too+Much%3F

[Dubious]

They missed the 06 And up A3. The DSG in that car had all those symptoms.

Hopefully they rule to extend warranty on DSG as well as reimburse for expenses related to people who paid out of pocket to repair.

[Corradobrit]

The 2014-15 S4 also needs to be included. Its the same transmission that's installed in the '13

[SDV325]

If anything does come of this, i hope Audi does goodwill all the repairs. If you need to take action legally im sure ill be SOL being north of the boarder.

Not that i have had issues yet....knock on wood

[whiped]

Audi goodwills a lot of things. I've seen them do it for the DSG many times.

The problem with the DSG is that it is very complicated and gets clunky at high mileage. (Thus going to a traditional auto in the new cars)

I have no interest in signing this but power to you

[Corradobrit]

Reminds of the cam follower issue with the B7. If it wasn't for legal remedies I don't think Audi would have stepped up and extended the warranty past the statutory period/mileage. Mine actually went bad at 67K and they replaced the parts under the warranty. I would not like to have relied solely on 'goodwill'. If the problems are tied to a defective or sub-standard part then I see no problem in the manufacturer being held accountable. Apple have also faced similar class action lawsuits and been obliged to cover defects on their products in recent years. I don't like the principle of the legal route but sometimes this is the only way to get a satisfactory remedy. The DSG is not a cheap component and often its a bad sensor that causes the transmission to fail requiring expensive labor costs to replace.

[sacandagaD]

Interesting, might want to put on a big pot of coffee to stay tuned, since it may take years to get to a settlement ( if at all ).

[kpykng1]

Haven't had complete DSG failure yet (knock on wood), but the problems they described were definitely there after I purchased the car. Only after the upgrades, insisted 35K service and TCU tune, did the problems go away. But now I always fear I'm in a ticking time bomb, haha.

What Kind of Problems?
Sudden shaking and violent “juddering,” hesitation from the car when pressing the gas pedal, a “surge” forward that feels like the car has been rear-ended, and hard downshifting or clunking when slowing down or driving at slow speeds.

[S4'ed]

Those are "normal" characteristics of DSG transmissions....

[0000_S5]

Which Models?
2010-2013 Audi S4, 2010-2013 Audi S5, 2013 Audi RS5, 2013 Audi S6 and 2013 Audi S7.

What Kind of Problems?
Sudden shaking and violent “juddering,” hesitation from the car when pressing the gas pedal, a “surge” forward that feels like the car has been rear-ended, and hard downshifting or clunking when slowing down or driving at slow speeds.


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[onlyaudis]

lawyers may make some money out of this. then Audi will raise the prices on the new cars and parts to pay for it. hurray.

[Eclemente]

lawyers may make some money out of this. then Audi will raise the prices on the new cars and parts to pay for it. hurray.

Of course lawyers make money - how about all the people who had to shell out THOUSANDS to fix a problem that is all way too common and shouldn’t happen as it does?


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[cspcrx]

They should also reimburse me for the DSG tune I purchased in the hopes of fixing it....

[Lbsigman]

Those are "normal" characteristics of DSG transmissions....

This!

I leased a 2013 E92 M3 and the DSG in our cars feels like a normal slushbox. In a parking lot, when creeping, it would buck like a normal manual transmission unless you gave it some gas. At a stop light, the car wouldn't go anywhere unless you pressed on the go pedal, much like a normal manual car when letting off the clutch and adding gas.

I regretably let someone assume the lease and bought a POS new 2015 (x2, lemons) Silverado 2500HDs before I gave up on Chevy and test drove S4's. I didn't even know the tranny in a B8.5 S4 was a DSG at the time of test driving by how slow and smooth they shifted.

People should go find a DSG M3 and see how refined and "raw" they are vs. our DSGs.

[Corradobrit]

This!

I leased a 2013 E92 M3 and the DSG in our cars feels like a normal slushbox. In a parking lot, when creeping, it would buck like a normal manual transmission unless you gave it some gas. At a stop light, the car wouldn't go anywhere unless you pressed on the go pedal, much like a normal manual car when letting off the clutch and adding gas.

I regretably let someone assume the lease and bought a POS new 2015 (x2, lemons) Silverado 2500HDs before I gave up on Chevy and test drove S4's. I didn't even know the tranny in a B8.5 S4 was a DSG at the time of test driving by how slow and smooth they shifted.

People should go find a DSG M3 and see how refined and "raw" they are vs. our DSGs.

Are you sure the E92 M3 had a DSG. Sounds more like the behavior of the E46 M3 I owned and sold quickly. That had an SMG transmission and was a real dog around town. Hated it.

[Lensch09]

And this is why we now only have the ZF as an option.

Nice work, folks.

-DL

[Lbsigman]

Are you sure the E92 M3 had a DSG. Sounds more like the behavior of the E46 M3 I owned and sold quickly. That had an SMG transmission and was a real dog around town. Hated it.

Here's an older article. Yes, it is a DSG, built by Getrag:
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/car...dct-65636.html

And this is why we now only have the ZF as an option.

Nice work, folks.

-DL

Pretty much sums it up. SMH

[timzcat]

I'll second that. It's the old adage you only read about the bad ones.

I do not drive my car in anything but S and while I know it's a '15, love the DSG. I've had the forward surge once when it was brand new and IIRC it was in D not S.
Still getting the DSG in the TT RS was a factor in ordering.

[Joker S4]

So, if you have a tuned DSG, could you still sign up for this? Asking for a friend.

[TexasDfwS4]

My 2013 does fine, and I'm with the ones that say this will cost us in the end and the attorney will reap the harvest not us.

[will13k7]

Don’t mind the driving characteristics of a dsg. The higher failure rate versus a torque converter sucks though. Will not join this money grab.

[Luna's S4]

To me the lurch forward is annoying when coming to a stop and it shifts into 1st. I've learned to make sure the brakes are firmly applied. I try to imagine my lane mates thinking it's somehow kind of cool like bumping into some kind of a launch mode , but I know they couldn't care any less. I do wonder about the stress on the transmission and driveline.

[iant]

They should also reimburse me for the DSG tune I purchased in the hopes of fixing it....

Did the DSG tune actually fix your problems mate?

[chopz33]

i got a phone call about this today

anyone else?

they want me to fill out a questionnaire in regards to my car and issues im having or have had..

thoughts?

[chopz33]

Did the DSG tune actually fix your problems mate?

I got a phone call and email on the audi dsg lawsuit. They want me to fill out a questionnaire. If my issue gets selected they will let me know?
Thoughts?
Waste of time?

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[wangshuo1989]

And this is why we now only have the ZF as an option.

Nice work, folks.

-DL

This makes zero sense, Audi now is putting DSG in B9 A4, I'm sure it will have a much larger production volume than S4.

[ofspecialk]

anyone have a status on this?

[L0U]

Better call Saul

[AllroadCorbin]

This makes zero sense, Audi now is putting DSG in B9 A4, I'm sure it will have a much larger production volume than S4.

Yea and coming from the ZF8 in my B8.5 allroad to the DSG in my B9 Allroad, I can tell you the new DSG is terrible. I have never hated a transmission this much.

[blackfunk]

Yea and coming from the ZF8 in my B8.5 allroad to the DSG in my B9 Allroad, I can tell you the new DSG is terrible. I have never hated a transmission this much.

Please do elaborate. I'm not in the market for a new car but I'm interested to hearing your opinion.

[AllroadCorbin]

Please do elaborate. I'm not in the market for a new car but I'm interested to hearing your opinion.

The B9 itself is a wonderful, gorgeous car. The new interior is worlds above the B8 but the DSG was a poor call on Audi’s part. The Allroads customer base doesn’t care about rapid sequential shifts. People don’t buy these to race or drag them haha. but on that note, the stock TCU programming is just about the worst stock trans software I have ever experience in my life. It’s actually so so bad that I am SHOCKED audi product managers drove it and were like “yep this is excellent. We’re all done here”

It takes everything bad about a DSG, and amplifies it, and then takes the benefits of a DSG and removes them. It’s baffling. This is my third audi and the only one I haven’t modded haha.

1- it doesn’t shift any faster than the ZF8 did at all. In fact in “D” I’d wager it feels slower. It’s as if the stock programming slips the clutch a bit between shifts in an attempt to smooth it out (doesn’t), and it results in this kinda mushy shift feeling that still somehow isn’t smooth. Shifts at WOT in sport mode are definitely quick though

2. Insanely reluctant to downshift. Drive mode is almost not useable. The car upshifts way way too quickly and does everything it can to keep rpm near 1200 rpm. Car lugs the crap out of itself and you can occasionally feel it pre-detonate as a result. It’s terrible. You have to depress the accelerator so much in D that once it finally goes, its just too much. In traffic it means you’re either almost about to get rear ended or about to rear end somebody yourself. The ZF8 did none of this.

3. Shifts are clunky. It’s just not smooth. The whole drivetrain is not well connected and the DSG amplifies this. In traffic it’s cringe-worthy. The shudders, clanks, and clunks it makes, make it feel like it’s broken or about to break. My mother who knows nothing about cars asked me what was wrong with my brand new car...

All of the new B9s do this 3 pulse shuddering feeling when coming to a stop as the trans 2-1 downshifts for no reason. There’s TCU software that eliminates this I think. It’s pointless.

4. The clanks and clunks pulling into/ out of a parking spot are just insane.


The clunkyness really sucks but the shift logic and lugging it does is almost more frustrating. I just drove the car from Boston to Kentucky this weekend for a horse show with my fiancé. 2100 miles over 72 hours. I was doing 120 through the i78 in West Va and it cruises amazing but I had to use paddles on the hills or it was bog itself out for no reason.






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[Gberg888]

Your descriptions sounds like the b8 and b8.5 DSG transmission when its going bad...

Thats what mine felt like when I had my selector sensor malfunctioning. 4000 later I have a new sensor and the transmission is better. I still fucking hate DSG though. E92x DCT is a significantly better design in every way.

[blackfunk]

Its crazy but I just thought about it but I'm now on my 4th DSG equipped car in 6yrs (saying it out loud makes me realize that I spend way to much on cars) of the 4 the 2010 S4 was by FAR the worse and behaved almost exactly the way you described it. The M3 is tied with my -drum roll please- Hyundai Elantra GT Sport for being the most fun engaging car to drive with my current 2012 S4 being decidedly slower at shifting both up and down - clunks, shudders and does not like low to high speed transitions. The S4 feels like it will give its all to be smooth rather then be engaging. Driving them back to back clearly demonstrates how technology has progressed in effectively 7yrs where a 30k car feels like an overall better put together product in just a few short years.

I would absolutely agree that the ZF8 especially the way thay BMW programs it is the transmission to beat bar none. I'm not even a fan of the way that Audi has programed it (haven't driven any RS cars so it can be very different) either but it is still 1000% better for overall day to day driving. I feel like the DCT should have been reserved the S/RS line while the ZF8 should have been reserved for the DD type cars.

[Dr GP]

And this is why we now only have the ZF as an option.

Nice work, folks.

-DL

DING!

[tgsweat]

Yea and coming from the ZF8 in my B8.5 allroad to the DSG in my B9 Allroad, I can tell you the new DSG is terrible. I have never hated a transmission this much.

I had a b9 a4 with the DSG and it is terrible compared to the B8.5 S4 DSG. But i'm sure it wasn't coded to shift with being very sporty in mind. I'm sure comfort was the goal. I don't have any issues with the S4 DSG in my opinion. I'll take it any day.

[AllroadCorbin]

DING!

Good. The ZF8 is a better box. It’s capable of holding more power and its smoother. There’s a reason the RS and S cars have it now. The DSG is cheaper to make, lighter and more fuel efficient. Those are the three main reasons audi stuck it in the B9... not to mention the fact that their new garbage Quattro ultra system is only compatible with a trans that has a clutch. (Quattro ultras only goal is fuel efficiency vs Torsten).

I’m likely listing my B9 for sale this summer because I hate this trans so much. I want a B9 S4.... ZF8 and Torsten.

Even the foreman at the local dealer told me he thought the product strategy of the DSG in the B9 A4/ Allroad / Q5 and new C8 A6 was a bad call. most people don’t keep these cars that long so it may not matter but for the intended use of these models, the ZF8 was a far more pleasant experience


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[casablancab5]

I had a b9 a4 with the DSG and it is terrible compared to the B8.5 S4 DSG. But i'm sure it wasn't coded to shift with being very sporty in mind. I'm sure comfort was the goal. I don't have any issues with the S4 DSG in my opinion. I'll take it any day.

B9 does not use a DSG. Could explain the differences you felt.

[Envy187]

B9 does not use a DSG. Could explain the differences you felt.

Sorry? They've been referring to the B9 A4 in their conversations; not the B9 S4. The B9 A4 absolutely has it as an option.

[casablancab5]

Sorry? They've been referring to the B9 A4 in their conversations; not the B9 S4. The B9 A4 absolutely has it as an option.

News to me. Guess I misunderstood/ assumed the A4 had same trans as the B9 S4. Learn stuff everyday! Thanks!

[Envy187]

News to me. Guess I misunderstood/ assumed the A4 had same trans as the B9 S4. Learn stuff everyday! Thanks!

No worries at all, man. My pleasure!