2.0 oil pan removal-is it easier to just pull the engine ?

[Ringsby4]

About to get into the nitty gritty of inspecting my oil pump and have done the research here and elsewhere on the absol.bitch of a job it is to remove the pan.
Just wondering what you guy's think about the alternative of pulling the engine to do this and whether this makes sense given that at the time I could also :
Replace cam chain/tensioner and coolant flange (if worst case scenario below doesn't eventuate )
Do planned work on front ie new modded grille,replace HID bulbs
AND worse case scenario-push Wofies heart ( said engine) into a dark,dark corner if in fact its irreparably,meaning uneconomic damaged but signs are maybe not (said with extreme optimism ).....
I think I can borrow a portable hoist with no time constraint.
If the time factor is not much different,the thought of not having to work upside down with floor jacks,wrestling the sub-frame,pan and with all that dribbling over me turns me on
Thoughts appreciated,thanks

[rongeur]

Yes, pull engine.

After putting into service position, draining fluids / hoses, unplugging sensors, only 9 bolts to tranny.

[Ringsby4]

Yes, pull engine.

After putting into service position, draining fluids / hoses, unplugging sensors, only 9 bolts to tranny.

Well that's telling it to me straight.... appreciated ! as all I've been doing about it in the last 24 hrs is umming and ahhing....

[aluthman]

Yes, pull engine.

After putting into service position, draining fluids / hoses, unplugging sensors, only 9 bolts to tranny.

*cough* engine mounts *cough*

[Ringsby4]

*cough* engine mounts *cough*

Damn is that what was stopping it !!!!

lol,still trying to get on to said engine jack lender....
Someone biblical once said "never a borrower or lender be.." At times like this I defin. don't subscribe to that theory !~

[B7S3wannabi]

I found it much less time consuming to support the motor from up top and just lowering the subframe enough for the clearance. However if you have other major work that needs attention and you wanna get it all done at once, pulling the motor will take longer but make things much easier.

[Ringsby4]

I found it much less time consuming to support the motor from up top and just lowering the subframe enough for the clearance. However if you have other major work that needs attention and you wanna get it all done at once, pulling the motor will take longer but make things much easier.

Point taken but what about all the I'd still have to deal with,not keen about that
I was going to say,jokes aside, but seriously that is no joke...
But once I borrow the crane ( needed in either case ),get it around here,set it up etc,give my mate a slab for the loan (d'ya know what a slab is ?-24 pack of beer ! ) I might as well just pull it,I'm thinking...

[james12lucy]

Point taken but what about all the I'd still have to deal with,not keen about that
I was going to say,jokes aside, but seriously that is no joke...
But once I borrow the crane ( needed in either case ),get it around here,set it up etc,give my mate a slab for the loan (d'ya know what a slab is ?-24 pack of beer ! ) I might as well just pull it,I'm thinking...

Squire’s, Boag’s, or Cooper’s? Anything else is blasphemous. A slab and a test match; one of the best ways to kill 10 hours in Aus!

Definitely pull engine. I’m doing the same at the moment.


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[Ringsby4]

Squire’s, Boag’s, or Cooper’s? Anything else is blasphemous. A slab and a test match; one of the best ways to kill 10 hours in Aus!

Definitely pull engine. I’m doing the same at the moment.


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Haha ,you've defin. been here....or......are you even an Aussie in Canuck disguise ?

[james12lucy]

I lived on the Gold Coast for just over a year. Loved it. Headed back for my mate’s wedding in April (Adelaide).


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[james12lucy]

I lived on the Gold Coast for just over a year. Loved it. Headed back for my mate’s wedding in April (Adelaide).

Wanna find me a 2007 HSV R8 Maloo, please? I guess I’ll take an LS Commodore if I have to.


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[Ringsby4]

I lived on the Gold Coast for just over a year. Loved it. Headed back for my mate’s wedding in April (Adelaide).


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Qld's a great place as is here ( 5 hrs south )
Just got back yesterday from my mates place at Moreton Island-whale watching fishing etc -that's one amazing place....
I'm getting off topic, but hey its my thread ..stripping everything off after lunch and mate rang and yes,he has a hydraulic crane to lend me . This guy has every tool-pro mechanic for 40 years-he's a great mate to learn (and borrow !) from...... haha

[Ringsby4]

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" Wanna find me a 2007 HSV R8 Maloo, please? I guess I’ll take an LS Commodore if I have to "

Hey, hey, I don't wanna do anything to destroy our new-found friendship....BUT that's a big ask
I'm a FORD man,through and through-the rivalry is sometimes intense ( as you probably at a guess, know )...!!
I know you're just winding me up

[vce1232000]

out the engine

[Theiceman]

I think pulling the engine is definitely going to be more work and higher risk overall than just 4 bolts or so on a subframe, pulling back with a bunjie and unbolting the pan. But no doubt it would be a miserable job on jackstands on your back.

Pulling engine involves disconnecting exhaust, all fuel lines, all electrical connections ( starter motor etc ) ( even the ones that are going to break as you are trying to disconnect ) , intake plumbing, coolant plumbing, probably removing the hood . unbolting transmission, engine mounts, sensors. putting it into service position so you don't damage the rad .
Once you get it off now what ? you gotta find an engine stand and yoke coz I sure wouldn't be working under a cherry picker taking off a pan. get it on there and now ... you can start ....

tough call but id just drop the subframe, even if you have never done it before you could have the subframe dropped in an hour and be working on the pan once you get the car on jackstands and the engine supported.

Just a second opinion , make sure you weigh all this up .Good luck on whatever you decide.

[aluthman]

I thought everyone in Australia drank Fosters? Also, are boomerangs given at birth along with a pet kangaroo or dingo?

[Ringsby4]

I think pulling the engine is definitely going to be more work and higher risk overall than just 4 bolts or so on a subframe, pulling back with a bunjie and unbolting the pan. But no doubt it would be a miserable job on jackstands on your back.

Pulling engine involves disconnecting exhaust, all fuel lines, all electrical connections ( starter motor etc ) ( even the ones that are going to break as you are trying to disconnect ) , intake plumbing, coolant plumbing, probably removing the hood . unbolting transmission, engine mounts, sensors. putting it into service position so you don't damage the rad .
Once you get it off now what ? you gotta find an engine stand and yoke coz I sure wouldn't be working under a cherry picker taking off a pan. get it on there and now ... you can start ....

tough call but id just drop the subframe, even if you have never done it before you could have the subframe dropped in an hour and be working on the pan once you get the car on jackstands and the engine supported.

Just a second opinion , make sure you weigh all this up .Good luck on whatever you decide.

Thanks for the input,will consider all -but does the hood have to removed ? as that would certainly be a deterrant.

I thought everyone in Australia drank Fosters? Also, are boomerangs given at birth along with a pet kangaroo or dingo?

Haha but no, Foster's and VB are two of the worst beers on the planet....the rest is all true though

[Ringsby4]

-but does the hood have to removed ? as that would certainly be a deterrant.

Quick research on az indicates it doesn't...

Also found good DIY on pulling engine-not a small job
http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...cement-install

Having morning coffee here getting ready to do battle-stll haven't 100% decided on which front to attack on though

[tloft4]

I thought everyone in Australia drank Fosters? Also, are boomerangs given at birth along with a pet kangaroo or dingo?

Haha but no, Foster's and VB are two of the worst beers on the planet....the rest is all true though

this so much

[Jet08]

Only the English drink Fosters now but I believe that Northern Territorians still drink VB until they graduate to 4xGold.

You do not have to remove the bonnet (hood) if you are dropping the sub-frame provided you can support the engine, to get an engine lift in there you will need to put the car in the service position so remove the front bumper etc.

[Theiceman]

Removing the hood or not ( I think I would if I was pulling an engine ) you are correct. It is not really difficult. But by no means a small and simple job either.


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[vce1232000]

the engine imo is a convenience to access the oil pump. It also opens up a window of opportunity to other maintenance items that would be difficult with the engine still in the bay

[Ringsby4]

the engine imo is a convenience to access the oil pump. It also opens up a window of opportunity to other maintenance items that would be difficult with the engine still in the bay

Agreed on those points,picking up engine crane in a couple of hours-decision time getting closer !

[Theiceman]

the engine imo is a convenience to access the oil pump. It also opens up a window of opportunity to other maintenance items that would be difficult with the engine still in the bay

Agreed and if you decided it's game over ,well you are half way there I guess.


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[Ringsby4]

Hoped to have engine out by today but life got in the way..........
Have both crane and a great rotating engine stand here,a real bonus, and and with almost everything stripped and disconnected, tomorrow=heart surgery, maybe.

Ecu removal and all that involves ? ( I read that somewhere re engine pull ) Why ? maybe I'm missing something ? Its difficult vision towards the back but I'm pretty sure all wiring is disconnected.....got the big connector at intake man. base.
Engine pullers like aluthman ,vce or others opinion appreciated

Ive had a big day in the workshop,its a sunny late arvo and I'm NOT going back there today.( said with beer in hand ! ) cheers

[aluthman]

ECU does not need to be removed to pull the engine. Just disconnect all the connectors. Don't forget to disconnect the following before yanking:

Rear knock sensor
Oil pressure sensor
Crank sensor
^all on the driver's side at the rear of the engine

There is also some ground cables on the rear of the head along with the coolant temp sensor and heater core hose. Once the electrical stuff is disconnected, unbolt the bellhousing and lift engine enough to remove engine mounts. Then drop the engine down level again and wiggle/pull until it separates from the transmission. BTW, now is the time to do your clutch and save yourself lots of time or money down the road if it's any where close to needing replacement.

[vce1232000]

^^^^^^^ he's got all the basses covered to engine

[Solarsuplex]

Alternatly, i did an oil pump diagnosis and replacement withouth removing the engine.. Lift engine, undo mounts, flip back sway bar, pan off, chain off, pump down. Reverse order. You could do it on ramps if you really wanted.

One word of advice, notice where the legs of your hoise are and if they will be in the way under the car.

[Ringsby4]

ECU does not need to be removed to pull the engine. Just disconnect all the connectors. Don't forget to disconnect the following before yanking:

Rear knock sensor
Oil pressure sensor
Crank sensor
^all on the driver's side at the rear of the engine

There is also some ground cables on the rear of the head along with the coolant temp sensor and heater core hose. Once the electrical stuff is disconnected, unbolt the bellhousing and lift engine enough to remove engine mounts. Then drop the engine down level again and wiggle/pull until it separates from the transmission. BTW, now is the time to do your clutch and save yourself lots of time or money down the road if it's any where close to needing replacement.

^^^^^^^ he's got all the basses covered to engine

Thanks for the detail,I'll check all that again and was just looking at clutches as I'm at 100k (miles)-probably go LUK in the interests of economy as its served me well so far...

Alternatly, i did an oil pump diagnosis and replacement withouth removing the engine.. Lift engine, undo mounts, flip back sway bar, pan off, chain off, pump down. Reverse order. You could do it on ramps if you really wanted.

One word of advice, notice where the legs of your hoise are and if they will be in the way under the car.

If you mean the hoist legs,yep have considered that and they will clear my axle stands

[Theiceman]

and ?

[Ringsby4]

and ?

And....funny I was thinking you'd be wondering....
go to my Thread above "Uh oh no oil pressure " etc etc