Best D3S buld out there ?

[waxxonMTL]

Since the introduction of the new gen philips D3S, I saw very little review regarding the White vision or the Xtreme vision.

Also, theretrofitsource sells morimoto D3S light at a very fair price. Morimoto is a well-known brand in lighting so I would think they do make quality item.

What's everyone getting these day ?

As for me, I had the xtreme vision gen 1 and end up selling it to someone who needed a set real quick and I thought they offered better vision, but when i put the back on the oem, i honestly couldn't really tell a difference which leads me to believe maybe it was just all placebo. Maybe I can see a slight difference in the color being 4300 vs 4800. but as far as better vision.. not really !

So I'm a bit hesitating going with the gen 2 when the gen 1 was kind of a waste of money to me.

[JTFisch90]

Never tried Phillips Xtremevisions,
but if you're looking to try something else...

I got a great pair of deAutoLED 5500K D3S's.
Match the DRL's pretty well.
Super white, super bright & clear.

They have like 2-3 threads going on the front page with tons of pictures.
& they always have sales going on.

[yjypm]

There's a forum called hidplanet.
CBI, XV, morimoto, they are all good.
You won't see a big difference in terms of brightness because you are still running 35w bulbs. A clear lens swap will help significantly.
The ultimate solution might be changing the projector but that includes a lot of work and no body has done this on our cars yet.

[SteveYem]

Never tried Phillips Xtremevisions,
but if you're looking to try something else...

I got a great pair of deAutoLED 5500K D3S's.
Match the DRL's pretty well.
Super white, super bright & clear.

They have like 2-3 threads going on the front page with tons of pictures.
& they always have sales going on.

I'm curious about those deAutokey HID bulbs. I have a set of Philips Xtremevision 4800k now and while the light (brightness) output is pretty good, the color leaves some to be desired. I'm thinking about getting a set of the deAutokey to do a side by side comparison. For $125 (I think?) and the advertised lifetime warranty, it seems like a safe bet.

Question for you: When your low beams are on, do you see a yellow-ish ring projected onto the inside of your headlight lens cover? See the photo below. This is what I get when using the Philips Xtremevision 4800K bulbs, and that yellowish color is evident in the projected light, including a yellowish-brownish coloration at the beam cut-off. I'm curious as to whether this effect is diminished or gone altogether using your deAutokey bulbs. Any feedback would be much appreciated!

[itskentt]

Running OEM Philips D3S with ZKW-R clear lens. I would start with the clear lens swap and see how you like it. You'll like the increase output.

[DontHait]

Never tried Phillips Xtremevisions,
but if you're looking to try something else...

I got a great pair of deAutoLED 5500K D3S's.
Match the DRL's pretty well.
Super white, super bright & clear.

They have like 2-3 threads going on the front page with tons of pictures.
& they always have sales going on.

I also got the deautokey 5500k, the bulbs are for sure have a more blue tinge than the OEM bubls. However, everyone that's seen my vehicle says they prefer these bulbs. They're pretty good bulbs, from a reputable source. Also they're more than bright, I didn't see reduced light output with the increase in bulb temperature.

[SteveYem]

Running OEM Philips D3S with ZKW-R clear lens. I would start with the clear lens swap and see how you like it. You'll like the increase output.

I've thought about doing the lens swap....in fact I even bought a set of the ZKW-R Morimoto lenses, but after reading the DIY for swapping the lens I'm a bit leery of my ability to execute the project without damaging my e-codes. For $125 I'm considering trying out a set of these deAuto bulbs as an interim solution...

Did you have the same yellow ring / coloration that I showed in my photo when using the stock lenses, and if so did it go away when you installed the ZKW-R lenses?

[jlaudio]

Did you have the same yellow ring / coloration that I showed in my photo when using the stock lenses, and if so did it go away when you installed the ZKW-R lenses?

every lens/projector will have the yellow cutoff discoloration when you snap a photo with the headlamp less than 5 feet from the wall. its just the nature of projector designs, and is not audi/valeo/automotive lighting specific
if you look at output pictures from HIDconcept/any website the wall is always 20+ feet away to show color
also b8.5+ e-codes still have a hazy and dimpled lens, where b8 e-codes do not


@ Op

i have tried and still own every bulb you mentioned. Xv Gen 1, Xv gen 2, White vision Gen 2, OEM 4300k. i'm about $900 into bulbs to check differences between all of them. call it a fetish if you will.
So far the best of all worlds is the white vision gen 2. color and output are the best of any bulb i've tried. I'd stay away from anything not Sylvania or Phillips. The glass and gas quality used in HID bulbs is important, D3autokey and other vendors are just china junk IMO. I'm also not convinced that XV bulbs are 4800k... seems that the White vision are closer to 4800k/5k color temp.

[itskentt]

I have the same issue as you with the yellow haze within the headlamp. I forgot to mention I'm running E-Codes with Xpel film protection so our setup is the same. The clear lens helps with the clarity but you need to adjust the cutoff shield since at 4300 the hotspot is mainly yellow. Going with 5000k (depending on brand) will get you that pure white light you're looking for but with a slight blue/yellow hue at the cutoff line. I don't think you can get rid of the yellow haze completely on our cars but you can sure minimize it.

[VisidianRyder]

Im running Philips 6000k ultinons with the clear lens. Pictures speak for themselves. Definitely recommend them..people say its like driving in HD.



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[wilazn]

I got morimoto 6500k bulbs with the zkw-r lense. And it's amazing. Super sharp cut off lines.

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[VisidianRyder]

I got morimoto 6500k bulbs with the zkw-r lense. And it's amazing. Super sharp cut off lines.

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Would you recommend those for fogs? Looking for an HID kit replacements for the fogs as the fogs I have now are meeh.

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[waxxonMTL]

For info, I do have the clear lens to be swapped out hence why I'm looking at replacing the bulb while I'm there :) Love the output so far! thanks

[wilazn]

Would you recommend those for fogs? Looking for an HID kit replacements for the fogs as the fogs I have now are meeh.

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I wouldn't recommend any HID bulbs for fogs since our fog light housing isn't a projector and isn't made for HID bulbs. I would look into Cree LED bulbs if I were you. I have these on my car and they work great. 3k lumens each.

MICTUNING LUMA+ Dual Color H11, H8, H9 CREE LED Headlight w/ Arc Beam Bulbs 60W 6,000LM, 6K White, 3K Amber Conversion Kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B2XPKNK..._JoQhzbN5QN4RK

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[yjypm]

Im running Philips 6000k ultinons with the clear lens. Pictures speak for themselves. Definitely recommend them..people say its like driving in HD.



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Weird, your cutoff line wasn't as sharp as expected from clear lenses.

[yjypm]

every lens/projector will have the yellow cutoff discoloration when you snap a photo with the headlamp less than 5 feet from the wall. its just the nature of projector designs, and is not audi/valeo/automotive lighting specific
if you look at output pictures from HIDconcept/any website the wall is always 20+ feet away to show color
also b8.5+ e-codes still have a hazy and dimpled lens, where b8 e-codes do not


@ Op

i have tried and still own every bulb you mentioned. Xv Gen 1, Xv gen 2, White vision Gen 2, OEM 4300k. i'm about $900 into bulbs to check differences between all of them. call it a fetish if you will.
So far the best of all worlds is the white vision gen 2. color and output are the best of any bulb i've tried. I'd stay away from anything not Sylvania or Phillips. The glass and gas quality used in HID bulbs is important, D3autokey and other vendors are just china junk IMO. I'm also not convinced that XV bulbs are 4800k... seems that the White vision are closer to 4800k/5k color temp.

How do you compare xv gen2 vs white vision gen2?

[VisidianRyder]

Weird, your cutoff line wasn't as sharp as expected from clear lenses.

Well i am five feet away from the wall. Ill take more commercially advertised pictures tonight and get back to you.

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[Michigan_Rings]

I wouldn't recommend any HID bulbs for fogs since our fog light housing isn't a projector and isn't made for HID bulbs. I would look into Cree LED bulbs if I were you. I have these on my car and they work great. 3k lumens each.

MICTUNING LUMA+ Dual Color H11, H8, H9 CREE LED Headlight w/ Arc Beam Bulbs 60W 6,000LM, 6K White, 3K Amber Conversion Kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B2XPKNK..._JoQhzbN5QN4RK

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+1 for these You can take the Yellow(Glass) filter off them. They are super bright with a white/blue light and zero error codes.

OP i''m getting a pair of deAutoLED 5500K D3S's. From all the pictures I've seen this is the exact output i'm looking for. Plus lifetime warranty. Can't beat it.

[VisidianRyder]

I wouldn't recommend any HID bulbs for fogs since our fog light housing isn't a projector and isn't made for HID bulbs. I would look into Cree LED bulbs if I were you. I have these on my car and they work great. 3k lumens each.

MICTUNING LUMA+ Dual Color H11, H8, H9 CREE LED Headlight w/ Arc Beam Bulbs 60W 6,000LM, 6K White, 3K Amber Conversion Kit https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B2XPKNK..._JoQhzbN5QN4RK

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They are plug and play? Would you rec those over these?
Philips X-tremeVision LED Fog Light, Fits Fog H8, H11, H16, 2 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00U2NHLTI..._4JWhzb59M3T9N

Yours are cheaper but never heard of them.

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[DontHait]

How do you compare xv gen2 vs white vision gen2?

I have the DeAutokey bulbs, they certainly don't seem like china junk. Light output is good, don't have a yellow tinge, and a lifetime warranty.

[SteveYem]

I have the DeAutokey bulbs, they certainly don't seem like china junk. Light output is good, don't have a yellow tinge, and a lifetime warranty.

Even if they are "China junk", what is the worst that can happen? The bulb explodes?

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[onlyaudis]

is there a DIY for changing ou tthe headlight bulbs. is it the same as a B8 A4 that is on youtube? i see you need to pull the headlight housing out completely to change the bulbs

[14S4GWM]

is there a DIY for changing ou tthe headlight bulbs. is it the same as a B8 A4 that is on youtube? i see you need to pull the headlight housing out completely to change the bulbs

You do not need to pull the headlights but if you will need to remove the airbox if you dont want to remove the headlight.

[SteveYem]

is there a DIY for changing ou tthe headlight bulbs. is it the same as a B8 A4 that is on youtube? i see you need to pull the headlight housing out completely to change the bulbs

I'm not sure, but I can give you the run-down:

1) Unplug the wire harness from the top/rear of the headlight housing.

2) Remove headlight assembly from car. Follow the instructions included in this headlight modification thread: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ont-reflectors
NOTE: If you have a B8.5, there is a condensate drain/vent tube connected to the headlight housing. When you have the headlight assembly pulled "half way" out form the car, you need to disconnect the black rubber drain tube from the fitting on the bottom of the headlight housing. This does not exist on the B8 headlights.

3) With the headlight housing removed from the car and looking at the back of the housing, remove the round rubber cover closest to the outside (reflector side) of the housing. When you remove the cover you will see the base of the xenon HID bulb which looks like this (although your bulb brand/type might be different):


4) Pull the silver connector straight down to disconnect it from the base of the bulb.

5) Grab the base of the bulb and twist to release it from its sealed seated position. I cannot remember whether you need to rotate it clockwise or counter clockwise, but give it a little twist and you'll feel which direction it wants to go.

6) Put on a pair of rubber gloves to avoid your skin oil coming into contact with the xenon bulb surface, then CAREFULLY remove the bulb from its socket. There is an external filament/wire (I'm not sure exactly what it is) on the bulb that is protected by a small plastic tube, but if you put too much pressure on the tube it can break. There is a notch in the bulb seat of the headlight housing that this external element can pass through during bulb installation and removal. When extracting the bulb from the housing, use a steady hand and pull the bulb straight out to avoid contact between this part of the bulb assembly and the housing.


6) Insert the new bulb all the way in against the seating surface, then twist in the opposite direction of removal to seat and seal the bulb into place.

7) Plug in the silver power connector to the base of the bulb and reinstall the round rubber dust cover onto the back of the housing.

8) Put the headlight assembly back into the car in the reverse of the instructions included in step 2.

[yjypm]

Well i am five feet away from the wall. Ill take more commercially advertised pictures tonight and get back to you.

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That would be great, thanks!

[Michigan_Rings]

Wanted to contribute..

I ordered the DeAutoKey Xenon bulbs, and wow they are definitely brighter and PURE white. The yellow is completely gone. Easy install, with no error codes.


Pic from inside the car:



I paired them with the mic tuning Cree LED for my fogs and honestly I see everything now. Nice hint of blue on the road... https://www.amazon.com/MICTUNING-Col.../dp/B01B2XPKNK



I would recommend both for anyone looking for a great upgrade!



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[waxxonMTL]

yours were the 5500k ?

[Toretto]

Ecs ziza? Anyone tried these

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[deAutoLED.com]

Thanks for suggesting our brand, we have been selling these new models for over a year with only great feedback and results - no blue or yellow - clean white and BRIGHT:
http://deautokey.com/product/new-d1s...en-audi-models

[G_Wagon]

I haven't tried their headlights but I can vouch deAutoLED is a great company with proven quality products.

[RWD2quattro]

Ecs ziza? Anyone tried these
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I bought a set from ECS around two years ago. Bulb color comes close to Drl's emitting white light, not super bright like LED's but brighter than stock bulb. Ziza fog bulbs have a light blue hue tint, so far no issues.

[SteveYem]

Alright, pulled the trigger on a set of the 5500K D3S bulbs from deAutoKey. Will report back soon!

[deAutoLED.com]

I haven't tried their headlights but I can vouch deAutoLED is a great company with proven quality products.

Thank you - we appreciate the support

Alright, pulled the trigger on a set of the 5500K D3S bulbs from deAutoKey. Will report back soon!

Thank you - we appreciate the support and cannot wait to hear your feedback.

What fogs does the car require? We have one we use in other car model to match our D3S 5500k, it looks great.

Our 5500k are made to be white but also bright as many 5500k HID lose visibility.

[SteveYem]

Thank you - we appreciate the support



Thank you - we appreciate the support and cannot wait to hear your feedback.

What fogs does the car require? We have one we use in other car model to match our D3S 5500k, it looks great.

Our 5500k are made to be white but also bright as many 5500k HID lose visibility.

B8.5 uses H8 fog light bulbs

[deAutoLED.com]

B8.5 uses H8 fog light bulbs

This will work great and be extremely bright:
http://deautokey.com/product/led-hea...ast-1800-lumen

wide spread of light + matches our D3S/HID bulbs nicely:

[SteveYem]

This will work great and be extremely bright:
http://deautokey.com/product/led-hea...ast-1800-lumen

wide spread of light + matches our D3S/HID bulbs nicely:

Your last post appears to quote me but I didn't write the words that were quoted FYI...

[deAutoLED.com]

Your last post appears to quote me but I didn't write the words that were quoted FYI...

Thank you - we changed it, not sure why that happened.

[SteveYem]

Bumping this thread to re-ignite (see what I did there?) the conversation of Philips Xtreme Vision Gen 2 vs. Philips White Vision Gen 2. Since I last posted here, I have swapped ZKW-R clear lenses into my US-spec headlights which I am currently running with Philips Xtreme Vision Gen 1 bulbs (the "+50%" variety) which are a little over a year old. The light output is decent, but I would like to get some more light on the road if possible. The Xtreme Vision Gen 2 is advertised as "+150%" and 4800k color, while the White Vision Gen 2 is advertised as "+120%" and 5000k color. Both of them sound like they would offer more light on the road than my "+50%" XV Gen 1, unless those +XXX% numbers are bogus. Considering that HID bulbs are not returnable to any of these vendors and cost a decent chunk of change, I'm stuck trying to decide between these two. Any input in addition to what has been offered already in this thread would be appreciated!

[Phoang1988]

Just wanted to pitch in about morimoto bulbs... I had a pair on my BMW e92 and did not have good results. Colors became mismatch fairly early on and within a few months, one of the bulbs started to flicker constantly. Contacted morimoto for a replacement but they told me I had to go through the seller which was amazon in my case. They only refunded me for one bulb. Not wanting to continue with mismatched bulbs, I cut my losses and went with Osram CBI and were impressed with those. Nice color and light output.

[PenttisHSR]

Even if they are "China junk", what is the worst that can happen? The bulb explodes?

There's more to it than you would at first think.
For example, "cheap" bulbs can lack the UV coating which stops ultraviolet light from permanently discolouring/tinting your reflectors.