Revo with a K24/26 turbo?

[Saturnine]

Just wondering if this combo would work..?

Disscuss.

[audidood]

i don't know.

[Saturnine]

Your no help sir!



What Fmic did you get??

[teutonic_blur]

eh..I don't know either...

[AvanTTix]

i'll take maybe for $0.99... CDN$ that is... i need to get ride of some of that change i've got left...

[Itchy Foot]

is the K24 a bolt on? Is it bigger than K04?

[shehatezme]

With money, anything is possible

[Jeff]

How much does a K24/26 cost?

This is why people go with the lower priced Garrett turbos instead. The the price of just a K04-15, you can nearly buy a 28 series Garrett turbo that makes a lot more power.

[bhvrdr]

You'll need a custom external wastegated manifold and downpipe. I think it would be pretty pricey. cheers! Mike

[German Driver]

If you are interested in those turbo's why don't we set you up with a nice Sportec kit? We have K24, K26, and K29 setups available.

[QuattroRocket]

Originally posted by German Driver
If you are interested in those turbo's why don't we set you up with a nice Sportec kit? We have K24, K26, and K29 setups available.

Sportech stuff kicks arse ! The only problem is it costs a bazillion dollars.

And Scott I will be looking at Nav again in the New Year. Right now the bike I am picking up tomorow has used up my cash flow for now

[Saturnine]

They go on ebay from $200 for a rebuilt one up towards ~1k+ for a new one..

Ive been learning more about Audi 5cyl turbo motors and they are just increadable.. Either the K24/26 came stock on a number of Audis ranging from the late 80's to the mid 90's..

I just think it would be a cool idea to utilize an early factory Audi turbo etc on to a current model Audi. I'm sure the Garrett turbos are more comon and probably more reliable than these older KKK turbos..

Its just an idea..

Originally posted by Jeff
How much does a K24/26 cost?

This is why people go with the lower priced Garrett turbos instead. The the price of just a K04-15, you can nearly buy a 28 series Garrett turbo that makes a lot more power.

[Awadd9]

Originally posted by Saturnine
They go on ebay from $200 for a rebuilt one up towards ~1k+ for a new one..

Ive been learning more about Audi 5cyl turbo motors and they are just increadable.. Either the K24/26 came stock on a number of Audis ranging from the late 80's to the mid 90's..

I just think it would be a cool idea to utilize an early factory Audi turbo etc on to a current model Audi. I'm sure the Garrett turbos are more comon and probably more reliable than these older KKK turbos..

Its just an idea..

Oh Yea 5 cyl. Turbos are insane. roomate has a URS6 getting ready to drop a GT30 into it..

I want a 5 cyl. turbo for my next ride.

AMW

[Saturnine]

Nope, completely different.

Originally posted by Itchy Foot
is the K24 a bolt on? Is it bigger than K04?

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by Saturnine
They go on ebay from $200 for a rebuilt one up towards ~1k+ for a new one..

Ive been learning more about Audi 5cyl turbo motors and they are just increadable.. Either the K24/26 came stock on a number of Audis ranging from the late 80's to the mid 90's..

I just think it would be a cool idea to utilize an early factory Audi turbo etc on to a current model Audi. I'm sure the Garrett turbos are more comon and probably more reliable than these older KKK turbos..

Its just an idea..

MTM, Sportec, Porsche, RUF, Gemballa, AMG, etc all use them. Here is a KKK on the A4...



cheers! Mike

[Saturnine]

Already got mine

But, I really want an early S4 thou, that car would just rock!

Originally posted by Awadd9
Oh Yea 5 cyl. Turbos are insane..

My next whip..

[Saturnine]

Yea, i saw that picture in the other thread.. Thats why i decided to post this thread

Originally posted by bhvrdr
MTM, Sportec, Porsche, RUF, Gemballa, AMG, etc all use them. Here is a KKK on the A4...



cheers! Mike

[Awadd9]

Originally posted by Saturnine
Already got mine

But, I really want an early S4 thou, that car would just rock!

Yea early URS4 or URS6.

pic. of roomates URS6

[PETARDED]

Size difference?
And I hate to beat a dead horse, but what am I looking at in refrence to size difference and power output between a KO4 and a GTRS system.

[palewhitemale]

Originally posted by German Driver
If you are interested in those turbo's why don't we set you up with a nice Sportec kit? We have K24, K26, and K29 setups available.

only if it runs on pump gas as well as their avant...


low blow... I know, mostly I'm just joshin ya after our little go round on AW.

-bill

[mcpath]

well I ran a larger k04-2x with a manifold. Problem is getting the software on top of the hardware. Best way to put it is. Can they do it? yes Will they do it? ????

[Saturnine]

We're not even talking about the Ko4 or the GTRS?

Originally posted by PETARDED
Size difference?
And I hate to beat a dead horse, but what am I looking at in refrence to size difference and power output between a KO4 and a GTRS system.

[PETARDED]

Yeah I know, its a totally different turbo....I was just wondering the differnce between the three. Hate to be a jackass.

[Saturnine]

Ah..

Ko4 is the smallest
Then i would guess the K24/26's
And finally the Garrett turbos..

[audidood]

haha.. sorry for the late reply, but AZ mail sucks! i only get notifications 10% of the time. grr...

but to answer your question, i'm running the ecode FMIC. Gerard (G_A4) upgraded to the monstrous ER FMIC, so i took his dinky ecode one. but i'm not complaining, except for the fact that i lost a front grille and not one dealership carries ultrasport grills so i had to custom order one. actually, stevens creek had one, so i rushed down to get it and it turned out to be frickin mis-bagged. wtf. i blacked out my piping with a can of black spraypaint and now it's all chipping off and looks terrible.

Originally posted by Saturnine
Your no help sir!



What Fmic did you get??

[CO AVANT]

Originally posted by audidood
i blacked out my piping with a can of black spraypaint and now it's all chipping off and looks terrible.

I got my ecode fmic pipes powdercoated matte black. It looks absolutely incredible. This stuff will NOT chip off. I also got the core hardcoat anodized black, and it matches the powdercoated pipes perfectly. $50 to powdercoat the pipes, $50 to hardcoat anodize the core.

[mike-2ptzero]

Originally posted by Saturnine
Ah..

Ko4 is the smallest
Then i would guess the K24/26's
And finally the Garrett turbos..

K04
K16 = the size of a T28
K24/26 = about a GT30, it will hit full boost at a very high rpm and have much more lag vs a GT30.


For the 1.8t the GT28 series works out best to give high hp/tq with a quick spool up.

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
K04
K16 = the size of a T28
K24/26 = about a GT30, it will hit full boost at a very high rpm and have much more lag vs a GT30.


For the 1.8t the GT28 series works out best to give high hp/tq with a quick spool up.

I think it might be closer to ....

K16 - similar to 25r

K24 - similar or a tiny bit bigger than 28r

K24/26 - similar to 28rs

K26 - similar to 2871r

K26/27 similar to 30

K27 similar to 30 35?

There are plenty of K24 and 26 turbos on TT cars that dont spool as high as a 30 but more similar to an rs and 71.

cheers! Mike

[mike-2ptzero]

Originally posted by bhvrdr
I think it might be closer to ....

K16 - similar to 25r

K24 - similar or a tiny bit bigger than 28r

K24/26 - similar to 28rs

K26 - similar to 2871r

K26/27 similar to 30

K27 similar to 30 35?

There are plenty of K24 and 26 turbos on TT cars that dont spool as high as a 30 but more similar to an rs and 71.

cheers! Mike

Most of the K24 and 26 setups dont hit full boost till 5k rpms.

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
Most of the K24 and 26 setups dont hit full boost till 5k rpms.

Mike the K24 and K26 are very different in size. Different enough that there are also 24/26 hybrids. The 24 is fully spooled at about 4K rpm (as fast as a gtrs eliminator) with the 26 closer to 4500rpm-4700rpm and therefore companies offering the 2.0 package to go with it. I dont have alot of experience with the 26/27 or the 27 but i'm sure they wouldnt spool til 5500rpm which is why they are not used. The K24 cars are extremely driveable. I felt them to really kick you in the seat at 4K just as their boost profile would indicate as do their dyno logs. I'll try and hunt you down some of the graphs.

If you were seeing both K24 and K26 turbos spool at the same RPM and way up at 5500rpm than something was likely off. Similar to how we can see a gt28rs from some tuners make peak torque at 3600rpm and others not until 4500rpm. This is not a factor of the just the turbo. cheers! Mike

[German Driver]

To those interested in the K series turbos I should have some physical first hand data for you by spring on K26 and K29 =) To be continued...

[Saturnine]

OOoo.. Picking up a sportec kit???

[mike-2ptzero]

Originally posted by bhvrdr
Mike the K24 and K26 are very different in size. Different enough that there are also 24/26 hybrids. The 24 is fully spooled at about 4K rpm (as fast as a gtrs eliminator) with the 26 closer to 4500rpm-4700rpm and therefore companies offering the 2.0 package to go with it. I dont have alot of experience with the 26/27 or the 27 but i'm sure they wouldnt spool til 5500rpm which is why they are not used. The K24 cars are extremely driveable. I felt them to really kick you in the seat at 4K just as their boost profile would indicate as do their dyno logs. I'll try and hunt you down some of the graphs.

If you were seeing both K24 and K26 turbos spool at the same RPM and way up at 5500rpm than something was likely off. Similar to how we can see a gt28rs from some tuners make peak torque at 3600rpm and others not until 4500rpm. This is not a factor of the just the turbo. cheers! Mike

Thats odd, because from what I have seen is that the K16 hits full spool around 4k, which is why some of the hybrids use a K16 hot side. The K24 would spool up like that on a engine that is bigger then 2.0 liters which is why it was used on the 5 cylinder engine.

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
Thats odd, because from what I have seen is that the K16 hits full spool around 4k, which is why some of the hybrids use a K16 hot side. The K24 would spool up like that on a engine that is bigger then 2.0 liters which is why it was used on the 5 cylinder engine.

Yeah, that's definitely not the case Mike. Remember the SK04 that spools similarly to the regular K04 uses a cold side similarly sized to the K16. The K16 is really a pretty small turbo Mike. I can tell you firsthand the K24 spools at or before 4K on the 1.8t. You dont start worrying about major lag such as with the 2871 turbos until you go to the K26 which is when some look towards 2.0. Keep in mind the K24 was a STOCK turbo on those 5 clyinder cars like the K03 is a stock turbo on our cars. And that was only a 2.2 liters (136 cu.in/2226cc) motor in that car. They routinely upgraded their turbos to a K27 on those cars, even skipping over the K26.

cheers! Mike

[Saturnine]

The K24/26/27/29's are only oil cooled, right?

[mike-2ptzero]

Originally posted by Saturnine
The K24/26/27/29's are only oil cooled, right?

Pretty sure they are only oil cooled.

[bhvrdr]

Originally posted by Saturnine
The K24/26/27/29's are only oil cooled, right?

Both oil and water cooled on the Audi...

[German Driver]

Originally posted by mike-2ptzero
Thats odd, because from what I have seen is that the K16 hits full spool around 4k, which is why some of the hybrids use a K16 hot side. The K24 would spool up like that on a engine that is bigger then 2.0 liters which is why it was used on the 5 cylinder engine.

You would probably see boost starting at 3200-3400 and max around 4k yes. Displacement has a lot to do with the spool up time. the 5cyl, rs2, s1, s2 were all perfect matches for these turbos. They come in both water and oil cooled and there are many diff hybrid setups floating around with various hotsides and coldsides being mixed and matched as well as housing machined out to accomodate larger turbines.

[mike-2ptzero]

Originally posted by bhvrdr
Both oil and water cooled on the Audi...

The turbo in that picture is oil only, if you look you can see that the spot where the coolant would be is plugged from the factory. Which I find odd because there are coolant lines in that picture too.

[Saturnine]

I dunno.. Sometimes the caps can be clear plastic, not always red..

Is that the Sportec kit?