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    Hello,

    I have had my S4 for about 6 months now that I purchased through the Audi CPO and am at the point where I would like to look into making some modifications to increase the horsepower of the vehicle. Aside from the bits of Car Talk that I've heard while driving with my dad my knowledge about cars and their inner workings is zero. From what I have read it seems that a common answer regarding modifications and the warranty is that anything can technically void it. But some things appear to be more ok than others, these include a cold air intake, coolant performance system, exhaust. The particular problem areas regarding the warranty seem to be with chips and tuning. I was hoping to find some of the pros and cons of each and or any other ideas of how to get more horsepower. I appreciate any info you can provide.

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    2014 Audi S4 looking for any information regarding performance upgrades

    Quote Originally Posted by dcampo View Post
    Hello,

    I have had my S4 for about 6 months now that I purchased through the Audi CPO and am at the point where I would like to look into making some modifications to increase the horsepower of the vehicle. Aside from the bits of Car Talk that I've heard while driving with my dad my knowledge about cars and their inner workings is zero. From what I have read it seems that a common answer regarding modifications and the warranty is that anything can technically void it. But some things appear to be more ok than others, these include a cold air intake, coolant performance system, exhaust. The particular problem areas regarding the warranty seem to be with chips and tuning. I was hoping to find some of the pros and cons of each and or any other ideas of how to get more horsepower. I appreciate any info you can provide.

    Thanks,
    Dominic
    Hi bud, TBH the warranty will finish one day even if you extend it. It all depends on what you want and your style of driving. These cars are reliable enough however these are mechanical things where anything can go wrong anytime and it happens even on brand new cars. The power increase comes at a price, i.e. how much you are willing to pay as well how much more powerful you want the car to be.
    I have a 14 plate under warranty and went straight Stage 2 (in the U.K.), which means 479ps and for me it is bloody powerful. I don't do or intend to do track days or drag races as I want to keep the car and enjoy as much as possible. Re: cooling is definitely a good option as you are bulletproofing the car and as long as you are sensible with your driving and maintain the car regularly there shouldn't be any issues.
    And like others have suggested, you'll find all sorts of arguments and opinions on what to do and what not to.


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    So, I'd suggest go Stage 2 and 'he lived happily thereafter'


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tashfeen View Post
    So, I'd suggest go Stage 2 and 'he lived happily thereafter'


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    Tashfeen,

    Thank you so much for the reply, as far as how I use my vehicle it is a daily driver, nothing too crazy. As far as costs go I am looking for the highest quality or in that area so I would like to try to perform the modifications in stages to help spread these costs. Do you have an brands that you recommend? Also, and I really apologize for my ignorance regarding all of this, what is stage 2? I have seen posts involving stages 1, 2 or 3 and understand that there are different modifications involved in each but really don't understand it. Do you have be at stage 1 to get to stage 2 and stage 2 to stage 3?

    Thank you again for any information I really appreciate it,

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    Quote Originally Posted by jygesq View Post
    AS a simple starter no warranty issues, start using Shell 93 nitro gas.
    Thank you for the reply,

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    If you are worried about your warranty then you should just get an intake which is easy to remove for going to the dealer. You can get away with an exhaust at the dealer most likely.

    If you want to tune it then its usually cheaper to just go to stage 2 right away. EPL can tune you from the comfort of your home with a laptop and a cable.

    Search and reading threads will help you tons.
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    Call your dealer and ask for their stance on mods and tunes. My particular dealer has a service manager who will do an APR tune for you and the dealer will work with you. From what I have understood, as long as you're not dual pulley and you're taking care of the car, that service manager will help you with your needs and he becomes your personal service manager (which you should have anyways in order to Develop a relationship) and warranty work for the most part will Be ok. They won't connect you to the computer so no TD1. Doesnt hurt to call


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    Side Story:
    I've heard of cars that were sold as CPOs, but the first owner Tuned it. For some reason, it wasn't caught during the 100 point inspection. Fast forward to today...the second owner has a problem and takes the car to the dealership. Audi refuses to cover it because the car has a Tune. They accuse the second owner of Tuning the car.

    Back to Your Question:
    If you're worried about warranty, don't do any mods period. There's no such thing as a "mod-friendly" dealership. Just wait until something major goes wrong with your car, your warranty will be void. Audi will not pay for a car that's been altered past factory parameters nor should they. An intake is easily reversible when you go for dealership service. I recommend the "ECS Kohlefaser Luft-Technik Intake System." It won't really add performance, but you'll hear the Supercharger whine better. For any significant horsepower gains, I recommend APR Tuning (www.goapr.com) There are 4 Stages, and I'll be using 93 Octane gas:

    A) Stage 1 (440HP) (no hardware is needed)
    B) Stage 2 Single Pulley (455HP)
    C) Stage 2 Dual Pulley (465HP)
    D) UltraCharger (495HP)

    If you go with Options C or D, you have to upgrade the Coolant Performance System (CPS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tashfeen View Post
    So, I'd suggest go Stage 2 and 'he lived happily thereafter'


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    Quote Originally Posted by dcampo View Post
    Tashfeen,

    Thank you so much for the reply, as far as how I use my vehicle it is a daily driver, nothing too crazy. As far as costs go I am looking for the highest quality or in that area so I would like to try to perform the modifications in stages to help spread these costs. Do you have an brands that you recommend? Also, and I really apologize for my ignorance regarding all of this, what is stage 2? I have seen posts involving stages 1, 2 or 3 and understand that there are different modifications involved in each but really don't understand it. Do you have be at stage 1 to get to stage 2 and stage 2 to stage 3?

    Thank you again for any information I really appreciate it,

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    Hi buddy, apologies as I was busy keeping my better half 'happy' for the last 24 hrs, not sure if I have succeeded but at least I tried
    Believe @PopTart has covered it really well in his post. Stage 1 is a simply ECU remap with no hardware requirements. The power gains are pretty much similar Stage 1 and Stage 2 with all the tuners you have in the US, i.e. Revo, APR, GIAC and other. For then money you pay, I don't see any gains for going Stage 3 at all unless you are in to track days and drag races. The power gains are also minimal (in my humble view).

    The only difference I have seen for Stage 2 by a few tuners is single larger crank pulley vs dual crank and smaller supercharger pulley and based on what I have seen the results are pretty much the same.

    Also, you don't have to have Stage 1 to go to Stage 2, you can either go directly Stage 3 or go Stage 1 & if you don't like it go Stage 2. Stage 2 also includes DSG remap if yours is auto.

    Then their are different exhaust options as well, which TBH is a personal preference and I'd suggest you meet couple of folks near you who have different setups and find out which one you'd like. My personal preference, which I am going for is Milltek Race Cat Back. I have a DSG and many have said the drone is bad between lower rpms and I love the drone (others don't).

    Hope it helps bud.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tashfeen View Post
    Hi buddy, apologies as I was busy keeping my better half 'happy' for the last 24 hrs, not sure if I have succeeded but at least I tried
    Believe @PopTart has covered it really well in his post. Stage 1 is a simply ECU remap with no hardware requirements. The power gains are pretty much similar Stage 1 and Stage 2 with all the tuners you have in the US, i.e. Revo, APR, GIAC and other. For then money you pay, I don't see any gains for going Stage 3 at all unless you are in to track days and drag races. The power gains are also minimal (in my humble view).

    The only difference I have seen for Stage 2 by a few tuners is single larger crank pulley vs dual crank and smaller supercharger pulley and based on what I have seen the results are pretty much the same.

    Also, you don't have to have Stage 1 to go to Stage 2, you can either go directly Stage 3 or go Stage 1 & if you don't like it go Stage 2. Stage 2 also includes DSG remap if yours is auto.

    Then their are different exhaust options as well, which TBH is a personal preference and I'd suggest you meet couple of folks near you who have different setups and find out which one you'd like. My personal preference, which I am going for is Milltek Race Cat Back. I have a DSG and many have said the drone is bad between lower rpms and I love the drone (others don't).

    Hope it helps bud.


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    Thank you so much, this was a huge help.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Thank you for sending these and for all the information you provided regarding the various stages, I really appreciate you taking the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcampo View Post
    Thank you so much, this was a huge help.

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    Thank you for sending these and for all the information you provided regarding the various stages, I really appreciate you taking the time.
    So, what did you decide buddy, when are we going Stage 2


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    Op:

    You'll get better answers if you read this, and the threads it links, then come back with more targeted questions.

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...Ys)-Read-First!

    My personal recommendation for making your car awesome would be to start by (1) installing a touring, catback exhaust system, keeping the stock downpipes (I prefer the sound of AWE's system); (2) install an open-element intake (I prefer Roc Euro ... these are subjective, because the intake and exhaust's benefits are primarily auditory - they only add maybe 12-20 hp total); and (3) get your car flashed to Stg. I (this is the biggest percentage leap in HP and torque of any possible modification you can make to your car).

    As stated in various posts above, "Stg I" just means your ECU gets remapped to optimize for performance. It comes from the factory optimized for various emission targets, not performance, and you thus get a LOT of benefit from these cars with just an ECU remap. Discussion regarding the merits of various tunes are described in detail in various threads linked in the "read first" thread. REVO, APR, and GIAC are probably the best established tuners, but you'll get a lot of variance of opinion around here regarding preferences between them and others, so probably the best advice regarding tune selection is just to do your own homework.

    I'd leave it at that for a while. The jump to stg I will make your car a whole new vehicle. Once you get used to the power, i.e., it starts to feel slow, you can go to Stg. II. Stg. II means installing a smaller supercharger pulley [and/or larger crank pulley] (either of which has the same end result of spinning the supercharger faster throughout the rev range, creating more boost, and, chiefly, creating significantly more low-end torque) along with a ECU tune to optimize timing, fuel trims, air/fuel ratios, etc. for the additional boost. The jump from Stg I to Stg II will, again, make your car feel like a whole new car.

    Upgrading to both a larger crank pulley and smaller supercharger pulley is a so-called "dual-pulley" setup, which spins your supercharger much faster throughout the rev range. This is still technically "Stg II" (Stg III means you install a bigger supercharger), and most tuners' Stg. II tunes now support dual-pulley setups. Many AZ members are really enjoying the added torque, but dual-pulley setups are also relatively new to the scene, and potential longevity issues with dual-pulley setups remain tbd.

    When you go to stg II, regardless of whether you go with a single- or dual-pulley setup, you should also upgrade your cooling system. AMS makes the (IMHO) best cooling upgrade for this platform, though there are a lot of other options that provide 90% (or more) of the benefit at 50% (or less) of the price.

    Going to either Stg I or Stg II will void your powertrain warranty, and even if you flash back to stock before returning to the dealer, they still can, if they look closely, catch that you've been tuned and flag your car "TD1." TD1 is an acronym for "the powertrain warranty on this vehicle is void forever, no questions asked." An intake and catback exhaust should not void your powertrain warranty, though some dealers are a-holes and will try to argue otherwise.

    The three tunes I mentioned above appear to be reliable at stg I and II, and you are extraordinarily unlikely to incur any drivetrain-warranty-related repair needs during your warranty period just because of those tunes.

    After single-pulley stage II, the cost/benefit ratio starts skewing towards higher costs for lesser gains and larger sacrifices in reliability. For a max-fun daily driver, after single-pulley stg II with upgraded cooling, your mod money is probably better spent on handling and braking mods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZGskibum View Post
    Op:

    You'll get better answers if you read this, and the threads it links, then come back with more targeted questions.

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...Ys)-Read-First!

    My personal recommendation for making your car awesome would be to start by (1) installing a touring, catback exhaust system, keeping the stock downpipes (I prefer the sound of AWE's system); (2) install an open-element intake (I prefer Roc Euro ... these are subjective, because the intake and exhaust's benefits are primarily auditory - they only add maybe 12-20 hp total); and (3) get your car flashed to Stg. I (this is the biggest percentage leap in HP and torque of any possible modification you can make to your car).

    As stated in various posts above, "Stg I" just means your ECU gets remapped to optimize for performance. It comes from the factory optimized for various emission targets, not performance, and you thus get a LOT of benefit from these cars with just an ECU remap. Discussion regarding the merits of various tunes are described in detail in various threads linked in the "read first" thread. REVO, APR, and GIAC are probably the best established tuners, but you'll get a lot of variance of opinion around here regarding preferences between them and others, so probably the best advice regarding tune selection is just to do your own homework.

    I'd leave it at that for a while. The jump to stg I will make your car a whole new vehicle. Once you get used to the power, i.e., it starts to feel slow, you can go to Stg. II. Stg. II means installing a smaller supercharger pulley [and/or larger crank pulley] (either of which has the same end result of spinning the supercharger faster throughout the rev range, creating more boost, and, chiefly, creating significantly more low-end torque) along with a ECU tune to optimize timing, fuel trims, air/fuel ratios, etc. for the additional boost. The jump from Stg I to Stg II will, again, make your car feel like a whole new car.

    Upgrading to both a larger crank pulley and smaller supercharger pulley is a so-called "dual-pulley" setup, which spins your supercharger much faster throughout the rev range. This is still technically "Stg II" (Stg III means you install a bigger supercharger), and most tuners' Stg. II tunes now support dual-pulley setups. Many AZ members are really enjoying the added torque, but dual-pulley setups are also relatively new to the scene, and potential longevity issues with dual-pulley setups remain tbd.

    When you go to stg II, regardless of whether you go with a single- or dual-pulley setup, you should also upgrade your cooling system. AMS makes the (IMHO) best cooling upgrade for this platform, though there are a lot of other options that provide 90% (or more) of the benefit at 50% (or less) of the price.

    Going to either Stg I or Stg II will void your powertrain warranty, and even if you flash back to stock before returning to the dealer, they still can, if they look closely, catch that you've been tuned and flag your car "TD1." TD1 is an acronym for "the powertrain warranty on this vehicle is void forever, no questions asked." An intake and catback exhaust should not void your powertrain warranty, though some dealers are a-holes and will try to argue otherwise.

    The three tunes I mentioned above appear to be reliable at stg I and II, and you are extraordinarily unlikely to incur any drivetrain-warranty-related repair needs during your warranty period just because of those tunes.

    After single-pulley stage II, the cost/benefit ratio starts skewing towards higher costs for lesser gains and larger sacrifices in reliability. For a max-fun daily driver, after single-pulley stg II with upgraded cooling, your mod money is probably better spent on handling and braking mods.
    Thank you so much this was incredibly helpful I really appreciate you taking the time to dumb everything down for me because I definitely needed it. I think I am going to go for stage 1 with the exhaust and intake.

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    Im going to start with stage 1 for now with the intake and exhaust, Ill update you when I have it all done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverbullet S4 View Post
    Thanks for going out of your way to explicitly point out my lack of knowledge, I apologize if my inquiry was not up to the standard of your forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcampo View Post
    Im going to start with stage 1 for now with the intake and exhaust, Ill update you when I have it all done.
    Good decision mate and I am sure you'll love the difference.

    No need to apologies to anyone, this is why forum is here. One thing I have realised is that there a few genuine guys always ready to offer help and then there are some pricks out there - I simply ignore them. Like you, I am new to these forums as well as this is my first 'performance' car that I have bought and I have found some genuine people here who have been of immense help.

    All the best with your mods and keep us posted


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    This. At least as a start.
    Quote Originally Posted by dcampo View Post
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    Maybe you should take the time to do some research instead of having others do work for you. There's literally tons of this exact thread in this forum and other forums that doing a quick search can get you started and reveal a lot. Many people in here are kind and helpful and do lots of research on these cars, having the respect to at least do a little work yourself is the least you could do.

    If your question was something new, or you couldn't figure something out, then I'd get it. And of course if this question wasn't answered like a million times, fine too.

    Granted if there's some crazy reason you can't do any searches, then I apologize.

    Feels I'm talking to my kids lol.

    Anyways, do some searches, or look in the new sticky threads, there are so many ways to answer your question. Get an idea of what you like. It's good for you too quite frankly, since you'll want your own flavor of ice cream topping. Heck, you might find a build you can just copy paste.

    I will say the good thing you got going for you is the same as my kids, at least you're polite in your initial questioning.

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