Special Order from Taiwan LED Tail light Upate thread

**ShowStopper** · 12-20-2005 04:55 PM

With all the different posting in every which forum including the Group Buy and For Sale one... can we start a NEW LED Taillight thread FINAL VERSION (or whatever you want to call it, just as long as its clear to which one is which) that is much easier to follow? With an undate every few days etc. From the ONE person doing it and not all the confusion from the 50 other people working on their own from every which quadrant of the universe? Also when this thing should go down/ close so we dont miss out? Its starting to get confusing/annoying with all these threads to follow..no?
Thanks

**Jeff** · 12-20-2005 06:52 PM

Are these Chinese/Taiwanese tail lights DOT approved? APC had to settle a $100k+ lawsuit for their "Chinese Quality" taillights that did not meet DOT standards nor could seal itself properly to not fog up when it rained and started melting and shorting out.

Why do you even bother putting low-quality "Made in Taiwan" (though it's better than being Made in China or third party Asian countries) on your $30k+ German car? Don't get me wrong, Taiwan makes some of the BEST electronics (with billions of dollars invested)... please don't tell me a batch of "Audi A4 Tail lights" will even par up to that quality.

It might look "cool" and flashy... but just like your rant about being in "every quadrant in the universe"... you are just whoring out and "bastardizing" our cars. That's what APC (and other eBay companies did) to Honda's. It's just sad to hear that this is also being done to Audi's, and that people buy Audi's (namely A4's) for reasons no other than to "Rice" the car out.

If you can give me ONE GOOD REASON as to WHY these can BENEFIT the well-being of the car (performance, aerodynamics), then I'm all ears and will even offer a public apology. And reasons like "It's brighter!", "LED's draw less current and saves power so I can have more power to my subwoofers" or "it looks more like a high-end luxury car" aint going to cut it either... if it was "high end luxury"...then it also wouldn't be "Made in Taiwan" either.

With just SIX posts as a member, the FIRST and foremost thing you have to post on this forum is about LED TAILLIGHTS?!?!?

Go sell the Audi and pick up a Honda... you disgrace the name to Audizine, to Audi's, its owners, and the term "nice car".

**fongaroos** · 12-20-2005 06:56 PM

HAHAHA

dayam jeff...

take it easy on the guy...

**Jeff** · 12-20-2005 06:59 PM

Originally posted by fongaroos
HAHAHA

dayam jeff...

take it easy on the guy...

He should take it easy with the "Taiwanese Rice"....

**pandaxprss** · 12-20-2005 07:06 PM

yea quality on those asian head lights and tail lights havent been the greatest

**Jeff** · 12-20-2005 07:07 PM

Originally posted by pandaxprss
yea quality on those asian head lights and tail lights havent been the greatest

...and they NEVER will be, unless a company wants to step up and throw in at least $100k+ capital towards the testing and development, (not including Quality Control)... THEN... maybe... just MAYBE....these tail lights would be halfway decent. But which company would want to do that? In this business...it's all about making FAST money with MINIMAL overhead and MAXIMUM profit, which is why eBay is eBay today.

**pandaxprss** · 12-20-2005 07:10 PM

its cheap labor and cheap material and that isnt a good forumla for quality parts
like u said u never kno they might be sub par

**JoJo** · 12-20-2005 07:18 PM

Originally posted by Jeff

If you can give me ONE GOOD REASON as to WHY these can BENEFIT the well-being of the car (performance, aerodynamics), then I'm all ears and will even offer a public apology.

why the fvck does he need a reason as to why they benefit the vehicle? You know goddamned well they don't. Newsflash, i'd say a good 70% of the posts about mods on this forum (bodykits, 19"+ cast wheels, hot air intakes, eyelids, stereo systems) don't provide any benefit other then looks.

Originally posted by Jeff

Go sell the Audi and pick up a Honda... you disgrace the name to Audizine, to Audi's, its owners, and the term "nice car".

one of the most homosexual things i've read all day. Stop worrying like a female about how someone else wants to spend their money on their car. Do you think someone in the general public would see a poorly modded audi and say "that is such a disgrace to audi". Sounds like some real nerd shit.

**HP18** · 12-20-2005 07:23 PM

Seriously, go away lol..don't worry about how other people want to spend their money

**PROXUS** · 12-20-2005 09:07 PM

what

so my tinted tails doesn't qualify as a performance mod anymore?

lol

**pandaxprss** · 12-20-2005 09:22 PM

i love how that bumper is just hanging like that, those are some purdy damn strong tabs or something, its it like goin 65+ mph

**A4 - Oh Snap** · 12-20-2005 09:30 PM

How about this for a performance mod?

**HP18** · 12-20-2005 09:36 PM

Is that Nickel in the back? lol

**Jeff** · 12-20-2005 10:07 PM

Originally posted by JoJo
why the fvck does he need a reason as to why they benefit the vehicle? You know goddamned well they don't. Newsflash, i'd say a good 70% of the posts about mods on this forum (bodykits, 19"+ cast wheels, hot air intakes, eyelids, stereo systems) don't provide any benefit other then looks.

one of the most homosexual things i've read all day. Stop worrying like a female about how someone else wants to spend their money on their car. Do you think someone in the general public would see a poorly modded audi and say "that is such a disgrace to audi". Sounds like some real nerd shit.

...at least your car looks pretty clean and you ain't rolling around in knockoff APC junk.

**Jeff** · 12-20-2005 10:14 PM

Originally posted by Dj InteNsivE
Seriously, go away lol..don't worry about how other people want to spend their money

If the guy wants to spend a few hundred bucks on some piss-poor quality Chinese junk, it's a few hundred dollar joke on him. The guy can do whatever he wants with his own money... as long as it doesnt come out of other people's pocket, who's business is it? No one's. But the disturbing matter is this guy (who's a brand new member on the forum), comes on here whining and bitching why there are so many different listings and threads about his "Taiwanese Tail Lights"... it's quite pathetic.

It's like picking up a chic with a raunchy pussy... and you're more concerned with buying her some Made in China "Gucci" bag and "Prada" clothing (masking the true "ugliness")...just so other people can think differently. I guess "appearance" is all what most people (especially in So. Cal) care about these days. Superficiality and materialism.

**bbaudi382** · 12-20-2005 10:16 PM

Originally posted by PROXUS
what so my tinted tails doesn't qualify as a performance mod anymore? lol

needs some bondo

**Jeff** · 12-20-2005 10:18 PM

Originally posted by bbaudi382
needs some bondo

Maybe some LED tail lights will keep that bumper from falling off.

Oh yea I forgot.... I wish everyone a MERRY CHRISTMAS and a HAPPY NEWYEAR. Maybe after this tail light comes off the tree, I can slap it on my car.

**QuattroRocket** · 12-20-2005 10:58 PM

Originally posted by Jeff
Are these Chinese/Taiwanese tail lights DOT approved? APC had to settle a $100k+ lawsuit for their "Chinese Quality" taillights that did not meet DOT standards nor could seal itself properly to not fog up when it rained and started melting and shorting out.

Why do you even bother putting low-quality "Made in Taiwan" (though it's better than being Made in China or third party Asian countries) on your $30k+ German car? Don't get me wrong, Taiwan makes some of the BEST electronics (with billions of dollars invested)... please don't tell me a batch of "Audi A4 Tail lights" will even par up to that quality.

It might look "cool" and flashy... but just like your rant about being in "every quadrant in the universe"... you are just whoring out and "bastardizing" our cars. That's what APC (and other eBay companies did) to Honda's. It's just sad to hear that this is also being done to Audi's, and that people buy Audi's (namely A4's) for reasons no other than to "Rice" the car out.

If you can give me ONE GOOD REASON as to WHY these can BENEFIT the well-being of the car (performance, aerodynamics), then I'm all ears and will even offer a public apology. And reasons like "It's brighter!", "LED's draw less current and saves power so I can have more power to my subwoofers" or "it looks more like a high-end luxury car" aint going to cut it either... if it was "high end luxury"...then it also wouldn't be "Made in Taiwan" either.

With just SIX posts as a member, the FIRST and foremost thing you have to post on this forum is about LED TAILLIGHTS?!?!?

Go sell the Audi and pick up a Honda... you disgrace the name to Audizine, to Audi's, its owners, and the term "nice car".

I dont know about everyone else here but I get so tired of reading these long posts and still not being really clear on where Jeff stands ?

While I do subscribe to more of the "live and let live" theory the man does have a point about quality and legality here.

**Jeff** · 12-20-2005 11:08 PM

Originally posted by QuattroRocket
I dont know about everyone else here but I get so tired of reading these long posts and still not being really clear on where Jeff stands ?

While I do subscribe to more of the "live and let live" theory the man does have a point about quality and legality here.

Honestly... if you get the same OEM quality and build (like plastic that doesnt turn yellow or crack after a year), with a nice "OEM" appearance (vs. the chrome reflector/clear tail light RICE look)... I would beg to differ. This can be made in Hitler's mansion in Germany, or even in Taiwan (or whereever Audi sends off their shit to be made these days). It's like people want to buy nice cars and things, but they would buy this kind of junk just to make it look better (in their eyes). The LED taillights on the BMW's (and even A6's) look hella sick and honestly a lot better than the regular lamps... but fact of the matter is, the A4 didn't come with it, and no company is going to invest an arm and a leg to develop some high quality taillamps just to cater to a small niche...they would rather just piece together some plastic junk w/ some LED's....costing them no more than $10 to make a set, and selling them for $100 on eBay.

**nine1twoinc** · 12-20-2005 11:12 PM

Like I said before, my buddy will get one and test for quality and fitments, then he will take some pix and post it here. So everyone will know how it really looks like and if it works well on the US A4s. If it's crap, then I am sorry for confusing and keeping everyone waiting. If it's nice and good, then that's do it

**emulex** · 12-20-2005 11:48 PM

i offer 50 dorrrar for crear tairrights.

**fetched** · 12-21-2005 01:53 AM

Originally posted by Jeff
[B]Are these Chinese/Taiwanese tail lights DOT approved? APC had to settle a $100k+ lawsuit for their "Chinese Quality" taillights that did not meet DOT standards nor could seal itself properly to not fog up when it rained and started melting and shorting out.

Why do you even bother putting low-quality "Made in Taiwan" (though it's better than being Made in China or third party Asian countries) on your $30k+ German car? Don't get me wrong, Taiwan makes some of the BEST electronics (with billions of dollars invested)... please don't tell me a batch of "Audi A4 Tail lights" will even par up to that quality.

It might look "cool" and flashy... but just like your rant about being in "every quadrant in the universe"... you are just whoring out and "bastardizing" our cars. That's what APC (and other eBay companies did) to Honda's. It's just sad to hear that this is also being done to Audi's, and that people buy Audi's (namely A4's) for reasons no other than to "Rice" the car out.

If you can give me ONE GOOD REASON as to WHY these can BENEFIT the well-being of the car (performance, aerodynamics), then I'm all ears and will even offer a public apology. And reasons like "It's brighter!", "LED's draw less current and saves power so I can have more power to my subwoofers" or "it looks more like a high-end luxury car" aint going to cut it either... if it was "high end luxury"...then it also wouldn't be "Made in Taiwan" either.

With just SIX posts as a member, the FIRST and foremost thing you have to post on this forum is about LED TAILLIGHTS?!?!?

Go sell the Audi and pick up a Honda... you disgrace the name to Audizine, to Audi's, its owners, and the term "nice car".

u need to seriously SHUT THE FUCK UP.

next time, please use:
Chinese made...not Chinese quality. and don't add the " " . ThanKS

it's insulting to some people, just to let you know buddy. why do you think made in taiwan is better than made in china or third world countries, why would you even think of saying something like that?

o i see. AMERICA AND GERMANY ARE THE GREATEST MAKERS OF....."TAIL LIGHTS"

chinese this, chinese that, i wouldnt call you a racist....but u know, your cliche views are ............my nerves.......

**gohan** · 12-21-2005 05:44 AM

do i hear a groupbuy?

**HoRnYTuRbO** · 12-21-2005 06:33 AM

OMG teh 3rd gear VTAKKKK is pulling the bumper off!!!11!!

Originally posted by PROXUS
what so my tinted tails doesn't qualify as a performance mod anymore? lol

**Nevaeh Speed** · 12-21-2005 06:49 AM

I just got my as ripped in the s4 fourm for trying to help out, so Jeff give this guys a pass on me...

Let's wait to see the final product before we crack down on it....

Peace

**Jeff** · 12-21-2005 09:32 AM

Originally posted by fetched
u need to seriously SHUT THE FUCK UP.

next time, please use:
Chinese made...not Chinese quality. and don't add the " " . ThanKS

it's insulting to some people, just to let you know buddy. why do you think made in taiwan is better than made in china or third world countries, why would you even think of saying something like that?

o i see. AMERICA AND GERMANY ARE THE GREATEST MAKERS OF....."TAIL LIGHTS"

chinese this, chinese that, i wouldnt call you a racist....but u know, your cliche views are ............my nerves.......

Chinese made = Chinese quality... which fucking part don't you understand?

I'm a "racist"? LOL

You think I give a fuck about your "cliche views" or your "nerves"? Just FYI, I am fucking CHINESE, so YOU Shut the Fuck Up

... I know the products made there (and Taiwan), especially in the aftermarket automotive industry quite well, and speaking merely the truth.

My offer also extends to you as well: but instead, find me a set of AFTERMARKET (Does "Asian-Made" sound better? excludes Japan, however) "LED" tail lamps that of are OEM quality and durability, and I will offer my public apologies to you, that noob, and the rest of the people "offended" over a set of "asian" tail lights.

**Jeff** · 12-21-2005 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Nevaeh Speed
I just got my as ripped in the s4 fourm for trying to help out, so Jeff give this guys a pass on me...

Let's wait to see the final product before we crack down on it....

Peace

Werd up Tee

**A4NCAR** · 12-21-2005 11:29 AM

Is there a picture of the product? Is this a DTM replica [rip-off], or some other "APC" poop?

Personally, I have to agree with Jeff to some extent. Most of that "Asian" aftermarket stuff is cheap garbage, made to satisfy a particular market, and doesn't belong on a German car. But to each their own. It was inevitable that the "junket" modding disease would slowly reach cars like the A4,..etc.

**Jeff** · 12-21-2005 12:23 PM

Originally posted by A4NCAR
Most of that "Asian" aftermarket stuff is cheap garbage, made to satisfy a particular market, and doesn't belong on a German car.

It doesn't necessarily have to be "German" cars, but just cars in general. Hell, even a Honda Accord these days can cost more than an Audi A4. If it's a $1000 piece of junk car, and you dont see the point spending $500 for a set of tail lights from the dealer, then the "cheap aftermarket junk" on eBay comes in handy. It's just say that these companies are making their "junk" to target the more expensive and higher end cars these days...and people are still willing to buy them.

**ShowStopper** · 12-21-2005 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Jeff
Are these Chinese/Taiwanese tail lights DOT approved? APC had to settle a $100k+ lawsuit for their "Chinese Quality" taillights that did not meet DOT standards nor could seal itself properly to not fog up when it rained and started melting and shorting out.

Why do you even bother putting low-quality "Made in Taiwan" (though it's better than being Made in China or third party Asian countries) on your $30k+ German car? Don't get me wrong, Taiwan makes some of the BEST electronics (with billions of dollars invested)... please don't tell me a batch of "Audi A4 Tail lights" will even par up to that quality.

It might look "cool" and flashy... but just like your rant about being in "every quadrant in the universe"... you are just whoring out and "bastardizing" our cars. That's what APC (and other eBay companies did) to Honda's. It's just sad to hear that this is also being done to Audi's, and that people buy Audi's (namely A4's) for reasons no other than to "Rice" the car out.

If you can give me ONE GOOD REASON as to WHY these can BENEFIT the well-being of the car (performance, aerodynamics), then I'm all ears and will even offer a public apology. And reasons like "It's brighter!", "LED's draw less current and saves power so I can have more power to my subwoofers" or "it looks more like a high-end luxury car" aint going to cut it either... if it was "high end luxury"...then it also wouldn't be "Made in Taiwan" either.

With just SIX posts as a member, the FIRST and foremost thing you have to post on this forum is about LED TAILLIGHTS?!?!?

Go sell the Audi and pick up a Honda... you disgrace the name to Audizine, to Audi's, its owners, and the term "nice car".

Well im not really here to argue...i just wanted a new post about the LEDs coming from another member generous to help the rest of us out. LEDs arent rice...actually from what we've seen and heard these are pretty well made. You should check out the pics...really...they look nice. Also most people envy the DTM race cars and (could care less about being visble on the freeway or to look like a high end Luxury car) i think like many others here that the look looks clean not rice. thats the idea here. Sorry for only 6 posts but im new to this whole forum thing....not a pro with 2k posts like you but maybe ill get there one day and have a really nice car like many guys cars here and that my name implies.... hope you have a better day.

**Jeff** · 12-21-2005 02:15 PM

Originally posted by ShowStopper
but maybe ill get there one day and have a really nice car like many guys cars here and that my name implies....

Well if some Taiwanese tail lamps "tickles your pickle" and makes you think that your car is "nice"... I really don't know what to say to you. Obviously you don't care about visibility.... as long as you think your car "looks nice", that's all it matter right? (Even if it has to resort to buying cheap Asian aftermarket junk).

...so you found out your GF used to be a man... but you don't care...because she "looks nice" and "looks like a girl" is al lit matters right? Instead of a real vagina, she was retrofitted with a Made in Thailand knockoff "Mangina". Sorry if I may have offended your GF if you have one, I was merely just using an example.

It's a sick sad world.

**gohan** · 12-21-2005 02:25 PM

Originally posted by Jeff

...so you found out your GF used to be a man... but you don't care...because she "looks nice" and "looks like a girl" is al lit matters right? Instead of a real vagina, she was retrofitted with a Made in Thailand knockoff "Mangina". Sorry if I may have offended your GF if you have one, I was merely just using an example.

It's a sick sad world.

LOL! that made my day. Thanks!

**A4Technik** · 12-21-2005 02:47 PM

aww man... i have no performance mods on my car and i wanted some LED tail lights... thought that would have given me an extra 15 hp to the wheels and 20lbs of torque!

On another note... Asian aftermarket stuff isnt cheap.. what about JDM parts? The only thing cheap is the replica parts made to look like the originals

**Wilafur** · 12-21-2005 03:12 PM

ahaha, jeff said mangina!

**Ace** · 12-21-2005 03:14 PM

sure we could make another topic about the led lights
but imo i rather recycle topics and bump them up
then create probably the tenth topic about the led tails

if leds are ricy or not guess it depends from person to person
for me its ok but
its not like we would put neon under our Audi's(now there is thought

)

**ShowStopper** · 12-21-2005 04:31 PM

Originally posted by Jeff
Well if some Taiwanese tail lamps "tickles your pickle" and makes you think that your car is "nice"... I really don't know what to say to you. Obviously you don't care about visibility.... as long as you think your car "looks nice", that's all it matter right? (Even if it has to resort to buying cheap Asian aftermarket junk).

...so you found out your GF used to be a man... but you don't care...because she "looks nice" and "looks like a girl" is al lit matters right? Instead of a real vagina, she was retrofitted with a Made in Thailand knockoff "Mangina". Sorry if I may have offended your GF if you have one, I was merely just using an example.

It's a sick sad world.

I dont what your problem is but all i wanted to know was, what was happening with the LED deal...and now you think you have to insult everyone including myself and my gf (yeas i have one) but for why? Are you just mad at the world today? Sexually frustrated? what? Then you have to say that everything that comes from a certain area of the world is crap, yeah there is a stereotype and especially your sense of ignorance....you need to get out more of you little hut and sheltered life in america . Dude, you've got issues....move on!!!! Let people do what they want with their car and money...who are you to criticize everything? What are you the fucking audi modding police? GROW UP!!!! You make such and issue of this little thing.....PS your examples SUCK...never go to law school.

**Jeff** · 12-21-2005 04:57 PM

Originally posted by ShowStopper
I dont what your problem is but all i wanted to know was, what was happening with the LED deal...and now you think you have to insult everyone including myself and my gf (yeas i have one) but for why? Are you just mad at the world today? Sexually frustrated? what? Then you have to say that everything that comes from a certain area of the world is crap, yeah there is a stereotype and especially your sense of ignorance....you need to get out more of you little hut and sheltered life in america . Dude, you've got issues....move on!!!! Let people do what they want with their car and money...who are you to criticize everything? What are you the fucking audi modding police? GROW UP!!!! You make such and issue of this little thing.....PS your examples SUCK...never go to law school.

Well then give the "Mangina" my regards then...

...does that thing even get wet?

There is always KY Jelly (or "Kay Why Jally", the Chinese knockoff equivalent)... all works the same...and you'll still nut the same

He/She will LOVE YOU LONG TIME regardless.