RS7 Performance really faster than a standard RS7 Prestige?

[cobrario]

So I've been giving some thought to this lately, mainly after NardoRS7 & I made passes on 3/25 both turning 11.20's in our stock 2014 & 2016 MY cars (@ different tracks as well). That's about as fast as I've seen for a non-modified RS7 and lead me to wonder- what would a stock RS7 P be capable of? Has anyone here with a P model run it at the track stock? Hypothetically, and all things being equal, the rated difference of 45hp should be enough to get one very close to the 10's shouldn't it? We need one of the new P car owners to test it out to see, before the weather turns and our best passes won't come again until fall. The other possibility is the 605 vs 560 is just marketing and the 20k price diff is the brakes

Carl

[3rdBNCC]

I was hoping Ghost would have run his P edition stock before his tune. Didn't happen I guess, as he's on a APR Stage 1 now. According to APR once tuned, the cars are equal. That being said Ghost claims APR gave him a special tune after he had issues. His dyno results do appear to be higher than non P RS7s. The true results though, as we all know, come from the track.

[socialpro]

I drove a Prestige and a Perf back to back about a month back - and its def a car where you can 'feel' the 45hp difference. I would of bought the perf if it had the B&O stereo.

I'm not sure if the tuning just made it 'that' much more responsive down low - but it without a doubt felt like a different response of the line then the Prestige version. I'm wondering what actual numbers are stock for stock.

[Serpent]

I think stock for stock the 'P' version should be faster just based on the 45hp difference. I would love to see a normal stage 1 car vs 'P' stage 1 car run 1/4 miles to see if the tune is same as APR says, and then same for stage 2.


I've been driving around with stage 2 for two weeks now and on 93 i've gotten used to the tune and now car is slow again. When is stage 3 coming out?

[cobrario]

I was hoping Ghost would have run his P edition stock before his tune.

I'm thinking there is no difference, and if we talk enough crap someone will want to prove us wrong- I can't imagine not wanting to see what your rig will run- I guess they're happy just being bench racers

The true results though, as we all know, come from the track.

Amen brother - timeslips never lie.

[Ze_Nardo6]

I've been driving around with stage 2 for two weeks now and on 93 i've gotten used to the tune and now car is slow again. When is stage 3 coming out?

Stage 2 RS7 slow.. that's a first

[cobrario]

I've been driving around with stage 2 for two weeks now and on 93 i've gotten used to the tune and now car is slow again. When is stage 3 coming out?

Classic, lol

[3rdBNCC]

I've been driving around with stage 2 for two weeks now and on 93 i've gotten used to the tune and now car is slow again. When is stage 3 coming out?

Lol. Yeah there's some degree of truth to this if you are a speed junkie (and I am for sure). Although I will say this, an APR stage 2 on 93 octane hasn't gotten old for me just yet. But there's no doubt... Running 104 octane will definitely light the butt dyno up for you if you are getting bored. Trust me, it def enhances the car to roll around on the 104 file. Even the stock cars benefit from 100 and 104 octane.

[Serpent]

Lol. Yeah there's some degree of truth to this if you are a speed junkie (and I am for sure). Although I will say this, an APR stage 2 on 93 octane hasn't gotten old for me just yet. But there's no doubt... Running 104 octane will definitely light the butt dyno up for you if you are getting bored. Trust me, it def enhances the car to roll around on the 104 file. Even the stock cars benefit from 100 and 104 octane.

Yup, I have not run the car on 104 yet but on 100 it is definitely a different beast. Will try 104 on the 28th when I go to my next track day.

[3rdBNCC]

Yup, I have not run the car on 104 yet but on 100 it is definitely a different beast. Will try 104 on the 28th when I go to my next track day.

You will definitely post better results on the 104 file as long as you hook. Good luck brother and keep us posted!

Getting too hot down here for me to run without a cooling solution. Working on it now and will share my findings with the rest of the group if I am able come up with something beneficial.

[NardoRS7]

Just to clarify, my car is a 2014, but completely stock.

[cobrario]

Just to clarify, my car is a 2014, but completely stock.

MY corrected, thanks

[Serpent]

You will definitely post better results on the 104 file as long as you hook. Good luck brother and keep us posted!

Getting too hot down here for me to run without a cooling solution. Working on it now and will share my findings with the rest of the group if I am able come up with something beneficial.

Interested in the cooling solution you have in mind. Thank you, hoping to run as soon as the track opens so cooler weather and freshly prepped track should do the trick.

[janthony6]

Funny you should say that. I'm in SoCal and feel as though it takes too long to heat up. If I floor it before 180 degrees I'll misfire.

[3rdBNCC]

Funny you should say that. I'm in SoCal and feel as though it takes too long to heat up. If I floor it before 180 degrees I'll misfire.

We are referring to heat soak at the track once the weather warms up. Cold start works the same for everyone. Have to wait until your oil reaches operating temp or you will have a misfire on cly5.

I see you are also on an APR Stage 2 tune. Have you run at the track yet?

[NardoRS7]

I think the extra power the RS7 Performance has along with maybe a cooler day and better tires could definitely do 10s.

[zcd2.7t]

Motor Trend seems to be working on a test comparing the RS7 Performance to the Charger Hellcat - not sure when that test will drop, but it's likely to answer this question.

They've already hinted is that the RS7P is quicker in the 1/4 mile...

[Chris Morales]

A normal RS7 is quicker in the 1/4 than a Hellcat, stock for stock, unless the test is on super glue.

275s, rear wheel drive, and 707 hp don't mix very well.

[Ze_Nardo6]

I despise everything the Hellcats stand for...just the epitome of american auto engineering

What's better than a 500hp SRT8 Dodge that weighs 4400lbs that gets no traction?! A 707hp Dodge that weighs 4500lbs that gets less traction, duh!

[cobrario]

A normal RS7 is quicker in the 1/4 than a Hellcat, stock for stock, unless the test is on super glue.

275s, rear wheel drive, and 707 hp don't mix very well.

The clowns at MT have a love affair with the Hellcat so I'm sure they'll do something so it will win the race like drag radials or the like. Last car I saw them running the HC against was a P85D and it lost (just barely though) with an 11.8 @ 124mph pass. If they repeat that performance and have someone actually trying to make a pass in the RS, the HC will lose by 6 cars or better.

[zcd2.7t]

Not suggesting that this is the definitive source, but here's a Hellcat/RS7P performance comparison:

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/j6fh3176jeff

[Ze_Nardo6]

The clowns at MT have a love affair with the Hellcat so I'm sure they'll do something so it will win the race like drag radials or the like. Last car I saw them running the HC against was a P85D and it lost (just barely though) with an 11.8 @ 124mph pass. If they repeat that performance and have someone actually trying to make a pass in the RS, the HC will lose by 6 cars or better.

No freaking chance the hellcat beats out an RS7 P....no way..

[zcd2.7t]

The clowns at MT have a love affair with the Hellcat so I'm sure they'll do something so it will win the race like drag radials or the like. Last car I saw them running the HC against was a P85D and it lost (just barely though) with an 11.8 @ 124mph pass. If they repeat that performance and have someone actually trying to make a pass in the RS, the HC will lose by 6 cars or better.

I have a buddy with a Hellcat, and with 305s on the back, he's run 10.8 @ 128. (stock tuning) I've seen the run on video and the timeslip...

That said, it takes real effort, skill and some luck to extract all the performance on offer in a Hellcat. The RS7 is point and shoot.

Now, if they ever decide to offer an AWD Hellcat, I'd at least take a look...

[3rdBNCC]

I despise everything the Hellcats stand for...just the epitome of american auto engineering

What's better than a 500hp SRT8 Dodge that weighs 4400lbs that gets no traction?! A 707hp Dodge that weighs 4500lbs that gets less traction, duh!

I have been trying chase down an old dude around here with a HC. He did a burn out next to me when I had my parents in the car and couldn't do anything about it. I will find him and will show him what a real car is.

[Ze_Nardo6]

I have been trying chase down an old dude around here with a HC. He did a burn out next to me when I had my parents in the car and couldn't do anything about it. I will find him and will show him what a real car is.

That is the typical behavior of a hellcat owner.

I was just at the texas mile event and there were about 30-40 hellcats, they're a dime a dozen...all of the owners acted the same way about themselves...similar to vette owners in my experience

[zcd2.7t]

And then there's this, comparing RS7 to RS7P:

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/usdj4ca0l473

[3rdBNCC]

similar to vette owners in my experience

I was going to say the same thing. Both of those cars are worth wasting a little gas, just to see those old men pissed off because they just got their asses handed to him. I rarely waste fuel on Mustangs anymore though, they are absolutely everywhere around here where I live and 99% owned by young guys that actually think their cars are fast. After the few street races I have had with them, I had my fill. Just not even close to being close.

Honestly though, what car on the streets really compares to the RS7? A Tesla or a GT-R? That's about it really, street light to street light.

[Ze_Nardo6]

Honestly though, what car on the streets really compares to the RS7? A Tesla or a GT-R? That's about it really, street light to street light.

Turbo S

[3rdBNCC]

And then there's this, comparing RS7 to RS7P:

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/usdj4ca0l473

That's interesting... Sure would be nice to see Carl or NardoRS7 line up against a stock perf model. That's the real test. All things considered, the perf should win. BUT

[cobrario]

I have a buddy with a Hellcat, and with 305s on the back, he's run 10.8 @ 128. (stock tuning)

That's on drag radials I'm sure, I've not seen a HC run 10.XX on true street tires

And then there's this, comparing RS7 to RS7P:

http://fastestlaps.com/comparisons/usdj4ca0l473

Thats a good tool for comparison, but my Non-P RS turned 2- 11.20's in so-so DA of 1386 & 1582 so the 11.60 estimate they have is a little light. Only way to know for sure is to line them up which I'd love to do to see if the 45HP is legit.

[3rdBNCC]

Turbo S

True. And like the Tesla, GT-R and RS7, I rarely see them around. Just vettes, Mustangs and the dodge crap

[zcd2.7t]

...honestly though, what car on the streets really compares to the rs7? A tesla or a gt-r? That's about it really, street light to street light.

e63amg, cls63amg

[3rdBNCC]

e63amg, cls63amg

Yeah, only come up against the E63 AMG and I am thinking he was stock. Wasn't very close.

[zcd2.7t]

Yeah, only come up against the E63 AMG and I am thinking he was stock. Wasn't very close.

Stock to stock, RS7 and E63AMG-S acceleration is virtually identical up to about 120 mph, then the E63 begins to slowly pull ahead...

[Omnipotent]

Interesting Thread. I think it's safe to say we all know the RS7 is an absolute Stoplight to Stoplight beast! Very little on the street can touch it! I do find the hints of hypocrisy in this thread a little comical though.

[Soft]

I think stock for stock the 'P' version should be faster just based on the 45hp difference. I would love to see a normal stage 1 car vs 'P' stage 1 car run 1/4 miles to see if the tune is same as APR says, and then same for stage 2.


I've been driving around with stage 2 for two weeks now and on 93 i've gotten used to the tune and now car is slow again. When is stage 3 coming out?

https://youtu.be/RdGVz104b3E

[cobrario]

Interesting Thread. I think it's safe to say we all know the RS7 is an absolute Stoplight to Stoplight beast! Very little on the street can touch it! I do find the hints of hypocrisy in this thread a little comical though.

car guys hypocritical? surely you jest...

[Chris Morales]

You can glue any car to the track and get some hero numbers with the artificial traction and winter air. I've seen plenty of Hellcats in normal conditions and have been thoroughly unimpressed. They're high 11 cars in the 123 range when not burning the tires. For that matter, I'll say I have been unimpressed with the legendary C7 Z06 as well. They run low 11s in the normal conditions I've seen them in (including the time I put a bus length on one with my S8), but you can find plenty of youtube videos of those cars running deep 10s...even 10.4 @133. Ha. Again, glue a car to the track and feed it 40 degree air and it will give you a hero number that bears no relationship to reality when you actually encounter one at your local track or stoplight.

Hellcats supposedly dyno in the 630 rwhp range stock. That should be good for 10.8@128 with a strong bite as I would estimate that is where I am power-wise in my 4500 lb tank.

[cobrario]

You can glue any car to the track and get some hero numbers with the artificial traction and winter air. I've seen plenty of Hellcats in normal conditions and have been thoroughly unimpressed. They're high 11 cars in the 123 range when not burning the tires. For that matter, I'll say I have been unimpressed with the legendary C7 Z06 as well. They run low 11s in the normal conditions I've seen them in (including the time I put a bus length on one with my S8), but you can find plenty of youtube videos of those cars running deep 10s...even 10.4 @133. Ha. Again, glue a car to the track and feed it 40 degree air and it will give you a hero number that bears no relationship to reality when you actually encounter one at your local track or stoplight.

Hellcats supposedly dyno in the 630 rwhp range stock. That should be good for 10.8@128 with a strong bite as I would estimate that is where I am power-wise in my 4500 lb tank.

Difference between a bench racer and a track guy- I prefer to use my actual time slips as verification of performance vs. you tube and magazine stats.

[Serpent]

Honestly though, what car on the streets really compares to the RS7? A Tesla or a GT-R? That's about it really, street light to street light.

Unless its a P100D I'm not interested, Z06, Mustang 350R, GTR, our German brethren, Lambo/Ferrari.