Will a Golf GTI motor swap into a B7?

[Ori0n]

I searched.

Potential donor is a 03-08 Golf GTI

My gut says no because the GTI is transverse... I need the engine + turbo (probably) as my oil pump kicked the can last year. Can I use parts from the current B7 and make this work? Is the turbo setup potentially different?

Where is the engine code stamped on the 2.0T?

[james12lucy]

You can. Make sure its a BWT/BPY/BPG engine code. You'll need to swap accessories and oil components (I think pump and pickup). You'll also need to ensure it's coming from the same transmission (CVT/manual only fit CVT/Manual, Tiptronic has a different crank).

[Ori0n]

Thanks.

Is the turbo the same between the two?

[james12lucy]

No, you'll need to swap the B7 turbo. IT'll bolt up, just a different orientation of the charge and intake inlet/outlet.

[b7quattrosline]

pretty much the same as putting a vw mk4 transverse 1.8t into a longitudinal a4 or b5 passat.

[vce1232000]

If you are taking a MK5 GTI 2.0 T fsi engine to fit into a B7 2.0T fsi it will fit. It doesnt matter if its dsg or manual. As the dsg crank will accept the pilot bearing. You will need to the oil pick up screen and the oil pan. The turbo is different from the GTI. So you will need to reuse your old one.

The engine code should be stamped on the front of the cylinder head

[Ori0n]

Thanks for your responses.

Update: Motor is going for $800 but the guy says it needs a cam chain, the old one was stretched. Is that typical? Or indicative of improper maintenance?

[Okedokey]

pretty common, although cam chains dont stretch, they just wear.

[aluthman]

You can use the transverse turbo if you swap the compressor housing from you old turbo (and probably the lines as well).

[Okedokey]

You can use the transverse turbo if you swap the compressor housing from you old turbo (and probably the lines as well).

Is there a DIY for this mate? Also, do you need to get it re-balanced or anything like that after doing this?

[aluthman]

Is there a DIY for this mate? Also, do you need to get it re-balanced or anything like that after doing this?

Swapping the compressor housing is just removing a few bolts, and changing the cover. No balancing required because you don't touch any part of the rotating assembly.

[Okedokey]

Does the K04 and K03 have the same compressor housing size?

[canadianA4B7]

My old motor went into a golf.

[Brillo]

I recall someone on AZ stating he thought the oil pans were different. If so, should just be a simple swap out. Good opportunity to change to the modified oil pickup too if the pan comes off.

[Ori0n]

What do you guys think of the price? $800, 100k kilometres... I'm in Canada.

I will drop the oil pan for sure and do the oil pickup. It needs a new cam chain, I assume the cam chain tensioner should be replaced at the same time. Can anyone confirm? Anything else worth replacing while the motor is out?

[canadianA4B7]

Youll need to check crank bolts for standard or auto. I believe there is a thread which confirms this perhaps rongeur?

[canadianA4B7]

Does the K04 and K03 have the same compressor housing size?

I believe the k04 do not share the same compressor, but you can use a k03 housing have it machined larger and make a k04 hybrid. A local guy explained this to me a few days ago. If you score a k04 chra I have found k04 compressors for $99 I think. That wud fit onto k04 chra. And the turbine I believe is the same. If not the resource I am speaking of is not correct. Thought he said he has done a few hybrids like this already.

The hybrid wud be your oem turbo, a larger clipped comoressor wheel, and machining the compressor, he had explained he used a lengthened compressor which I'm guessing wud hopefully pull more air in 1 rotation.

[Brillo]

Anything else worth replacing while the motor is out?

If not done recently change the timing belt, water pump, pulleys and tensioner, and coolant flange on rear of engine. Check your motor mounts.

[vce1232000]

What do you guys think of the price? $800, 100k kilometres... I'm in Canada.

price.....But kinda weary on that it needs a cam chain. Did you hear this engine run. Or taking his word for it

[Ori0n]

price.....But kinda weary on that it needs a cam chain. Did you hear this engine run. Or taking his word for it

taking his word for it. he sounds like a mechanic that did a swap for someone who "had another motor lying around" ...might try and get a hold of the guy who last had the motor running to see what he has to say.

[Ori0n]

Is this the revised oil pickup I'm looking at?

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...be/06f115251b/

Thanks

[vce1232000]

Is this the revised oil pickup I'm looking at?

https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...be/06f115251b/

Thanks

Yes. that is the latest revision

[wriscolf]

What year was the revision done? I have heard nightmares due to old one.

[pezgoon]

What year was the revision done? I have heard nightmares due to old one.

Supposedly it wasn't until the end, like the last year (2008) and maybe a little bit of 2007 got them, so pretty much all of them have the old one


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[Ori0n]

So I went and saw the motor last night. The story goes like this...

The guy selling is a mechanic and swapped the motor for this guy because he tried to do the timing chain replacement by himself and got in over his head. I'm thinking the worse case scenario is he didn't have the cam lock tool. The old chain is off and not included, there's a new tensioner in there which means he had camshaft adjuster off...

If I buy the motor what's the worst case scenario here for a cam chain diy done wrong?

[pezgoon]

So I went and saw the motor last night. The story goes like this...

The guy selling is a mechanic and swapped the motor for this guy because he tried to do the timing chain replacement by himself and got in over his head. I'm thinking the worse case scenario is he didn't have the cam lock tool. The old chain is off and not included, there's a new tensioner in there which means he had camshaft adjuster off...

If I buy the motor what's the worst case scenario here for a cam chain diy done wrong?

Bent valves etc, the usual issues as if it broke or wasn't done correctly.

The odd thing is if he just "got in over his head" why didn't the mechanic finish it

That makes me wonder the same thing as you, did the dude "finish it" and Fck it up and needed a new engine?

Sounds off to me... get it for super cheap since no one knows the state of the insides!

200$ perfect engine anyone? Lol

What engine code is it? If it's a BPG then you would have less (or more?) to worry about since it's forged pistons they would survive a valve mashing whilst the valves wouldn't

Worst case even when it happens while the car is running you'd just need some valves and maybe flatten the marks on the pistons down and you'll be good to go, especially if it happened at "start up"

The thing is even if he got the chain on but was timed wrong I'm almost positive when he cranked it it wouldn't have even started and may not have even cranked past whenever they made contact


Still if you can get it for a cheap price that wouldn't prevent me as long as it's low miles etc


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[Ori0n]

Code is BPY.

[pezgoon]

Code is BPY.

Hmm well that might actually be better since the pistons after BPG were shorter (they lowered the compression) and so you actually would have less risk of creating damage etc, like I said if it's a good price low miles I'd get it, if the timing was off I doubt he would've been able to get it started

But that's my opinion and I'm sure someone more experienced will chime in and say the opposite


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[vce1232000]

Id pass unless you want to pull and whats with the internals

[pezgoon]

Id pass unless you want to pull and whats with the internals

Oh I had simply assumed he was willing to do that, should've said the same lol


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[Ori0n]

Got the motor for $200, swap thread to come!

[pezgoon]

Got the motor for $200, swap thread to come!

Haha boom! Hopefully it'll be in good shape once you pull the head off and you'll have another steal haha!

But can if there is valve damage for that price if you can rebuild it yourself I still think that'd be a good deal, good luck with it man hopefully it's easy peezy


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