BLACK STALLION Big Turbo build progress/update thread. 2005 audi a4 1.8T

[BlueBoostedAudi]

I figured I would start a thread for the progress I make on my car.
All of my parts are from my 2001 Audi a4 1.8 BAT that I sold to start this build! I was running uni 630 cc file
Parts list so far:
5857 precision turbo
Spa top mount manifold
034 spa down pipe
Bored and stroked bottom end (awm) already has around 20,000 miles on it
IE Tuscan rods
JE pistons 8.5CR
Ferrera racing valves
034 high rev spring and retaining kit
Cool Math water and methanol kit
044 fuel pump
Eurodyne tune
Deka 80# injectors

NEEDED;
IE race cams
Exhaust system
IE intake
W/M kit minus the pump since I already have the pump
A new front mount setup (old one is beat up)
Cat back exhaust
Bigger torque converter and valve body job
And anything else I may need!
P.S I named my car BLACK STALLION!!!

[eljay]

I think this thread needs pictures. :)

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Yes I will be posting pictures as I go on this thread of my build thanks!
Here's a picture of the accessory crank Drive gear that I use. It's not a fluid damper or the stock one. It is lightweight and I have been using it for years. This engine used to be in a different Audi that I used to have but I recently ditch that Audi and I am going to build this Audi.

[Audi body]

The bov will throw off your air fuel ratios.

[BlueBoostedAudi]

So I am getting ready to order my tune soon. I already have a unitronics 630cc tune but it was for a 2001 Audi A4 Quattro with the 5-speed transmission so I believe that it will not work? Or will it??? I am thinking about getting a Mastor 07 tuning Suite and selling my unitronic tune

[jesse500]

So I am getting ready to order my tune soon. I already have a unitronics 630cc tune but it was for a 2001 Audi A4 Quattro with the 5-speed transmission so I believe that it will not work? Or will it??? I am thinking about getting a Mastor 07 tuning Suite and selling my unitronic tune

05 tune will not work on our B6, no. Lots of reputable tuners out there who can make you a custom tune. Mirza, Bische, SSP, along with lots of others.

[BlueBoostedAudi]

05 tune will not work on our B6, no. Lots of reputable tuners out there who can make you a custom tune. Mirza, Bische, SSP, along with lots of others.

I really want to do the tuning myself this is what I was thinking
EuroDyne Maestro 7 Tuning Suite (VW/Audi)

[Luxus Panzer]

2nd the ditch the BOV

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Update; I did a drain and flush to my transmission today! I used maxlife full synthetic ATF as I have had very good success with this on about two hundred different Vehicles when I used to work at a quick lube shop. Everything was pretty normal before and it seems normal afterwards. It does seem like there is little more peppy and slight smoother shifts!
I am thinking about doing the differentials next

[05A$SE]

Bov messing up A/f ratio? this is interesting, How so? It just makes the car take a very short time to respool compared to recirc since the air isn't redirected back into intake.


Maestro is a safe option, won't get you most power. then again neither will a build with stock cams ;(

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Bov messing up A/f ratio? this is interesting, How so? It just makes the car take a very short time to respool compared to recirc since the air isn't redirected back into intake.


Maestro is a safe option, won't get you most power. then again neither will a build with stock cams ;(

Haha stock cams yes I plan on upgrading them as that will be about the last performance part that I will need for this build except for the running software. And yes I was thinking maestro as well.
As far as the BOV it is staying! I don't think it would mess w the afr as when I take it easy on the car I ave 22-25 mpg and when I get on it some I'll get 15-17 depending on how bad I'm beating on it lol...

[Audi body]

Bov messing up A/f ratio? this is interesting, How so? It just makes the car take a very short time to respool compared to recirc since the air isn't redirected back into intake.


Maestro is a safe option, won't get you most power. then again neither will a build with stock cams ;(

Are cars come with a dv for a reason. It's designed to recirculate the maf measured air. With it blowing the air into the atmosphere it's losing air that it thinks is in the system. To run a blow off valve correctly, you need to either run a mafless tune or get a blow through maf and install the bov before the maf.

Why would you say you wouldn't get the most power from a maestro tune? From what I heard that's the best way to go.

[BlueBoostedAudi]

To me it's okay for now thinking that it has air in the system. Come summer I will be swapping my fully built engine and have a good tune!
Which probably will be maestro I have seen ppl get good numbers w this and they have 3 tune (base file) to chose and u can make it custom to what your needs are!
My mind is almost made up to go w maestro 7 tuning suite!!

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Thread update:!!
After I did a vacuum simplification and remove all of the emission and secondary air pump my car drove great! Turn it on and off a few times. Then went to go start it and all the sudden it won't start but it cranks. I thought check spark! No spark the I thought that it was the crank position sensor and had nothing to do with me deleting the admission stuff and 2nd air pump. So I happen to have a brand new crank sensor in my basement and I put it in and it started right up afterwards!
About a 10 min job to change the CPS
I used a long tire iron and stuck the straight part down the engine and behind the sensor than I tapped on the top of hammer and it popped the sensor right off!
Than installed the new/used sensor I had and voila perfecto

[Audi body]

Good work!
Yeah the maestro is probably the best way.

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Good work!
Yeah the maestro is probably the best way.

Thanks! Yes I will be going w maestro!

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Question!?!?!?!?!
How much HP can the stock fuel system handle? (Ball park) obviously with upgraded injectors.
I am thinking 1000cc-1150cc injectors!
I already have a 044 fuel pump from my old BAT!
The reason I'm asking is because I have been reading some other bat builds (b6 a4) and most of them have done a return Style fuel system.
When does this become necessary? (Ball park HP)

[A4SoftWalker]

The stock system has handled 600 hp without a return and just upgraded fuel pump. Personally I upgraded my line to cross-braided stainless steel and didn't bother with a return but that is my own slant on my build.

A fuel return increases complexity of your build, increases fuel tank fuel temps, and increases emissions from fuel vapor. Neither good or bad but just something to keep in mind. Some people like a good challenge.

How much power are you looking to make? I'm running 1000cc's with my not yet optimized Motoza tune and making 400hp. 4/5 where I wanna be. I have a Bosch 005 upgrade pump.

[BlueBoostedAudi]

At first around 300 awhp.
After I get my trans TQ and VB done I'll crank boost up to 28ish for what I would guess to be around 400ish HP.
After I get cams 32-34psi
After intake and throttle body I'll crank it up even more!
I would love to Max out the turbo I have!! (5857 precision turbo)
I think this is reasonable! What do you think?

[BlueBoostedAudi]

So my car needs the timing belt done pretty badly.
So I am thinking about doing it.
But I figured since I am in there doing the timing belt I should put my fully built engine in also.
But I wanted to ask couple questions first.
? My built engine is out of a 2001 Audi A4 5 speed, engine code awm. I just want to double-check and make sure that I can put a bottom end engine that has a manual crank shaft into a car that has automatic transmission?
Also any pointers or advice when doing this swap?
I am thinking also about just putting my stock turbo on the car with the stock manifold since I don't have tune yet for the car. And then later when I get the master 07 tuning suite and can tune my car I will throw the turbo and exhaust manifold with the downpipe and mufflers ECT on the car.

[AudiA4_20T]

FYI there's almost no reason to build an automatic. They're terribly slow and you're just throwing money down the drain.

[BlueBoostedAudi]

FYI there's almost no reason to build an automatic. They're terribly slow and you're just throwing money down the drain.

I thought that if u put a bigger torque converter and valve body job that it will hold the power better than a s4?
Why do u say it's wasting money?

Edit: also I could put a 2 step or a trans break so I could launch the car

[A4SoftWalker]

28psi? 32-34 psi? Daily? or are you building a track car?
What are you trying to do? Spray paint the bumper on the car behind you?
I'm only at 20psi now to make the power I do on an elim.
My limit is 25psi but if I make my hp goals before we go that high I might not even need the bigger psi numbers.

Well if you are aiming BIG on the psi chart then you WILL need a return fuel system and quite a few "other" changes underhood.
Are you keeping the auto trans? There is that limitation as well...
I think a few on here have done the AWM swap and the Auto/Man Man/Auto crankshaft swap. Only one of those works. I forget which. Its searchable on here too.

The journey of 1000 miles begins with a step. You've definitely got started.

[AudiA4_20T]

I thought that if u put a bigger torque converter and valve body job that it will hold the power better than a s4?
Why do u say it's wasting money?

Edit: also I could put a 2 step or a trans break so I could launch the car

For some reason the B6 S4 autos actually are fast, but I've never seen a B6 A4 auto do anything impressive. RLB6 built his up good but not sure if he ever made it to the track. For what it costs to build this Auto you could throw an 01E in

[SleeperAvant]

For some reason the B6 S4 autos actually are fast, but I've never seen a B6 A4 auto do anything impressive. RLB6 built his up good but not sure if he ever made it to the track. For what it costs to build this Auto you could throw an 01E in

Agreed. Manual all the way IMO.

[BlueBoostedAudi]

So I decided for now just to do the timing belt (145000) and I just finished up with it it took me about two and a half hours all together! Everything went flawlessly came apart good went back together good timing was perfect everything was perfect!

I want to be able to do awd burnouts reliable!
I want a mid 11 sec 1/4 mile car!
I had a 5 speed trans on my last car and anytime I would push the car the trans world break... I want to try something different weather that be auto or manual I can drive both!
I was running 25#S of boost daily on my old a4 and treated it like it was a rental car. Unless I needed it to last for a while then I would treat it nice! But most of the time I have another car to drive if it broke so it didn't matter too much about the downtime!
I want to be able to go faster than before and also more reliable!! I wanted it to look like a sleeper and it sure did!
But with my new car I want it to look fast and I want it to go fast and be reliable!
There is a video of my old A4 going down the race track!
https://youtu.be/yDCrrBMciBw

[AudiA4_20T]

You will never get a mid 11 second 1/4 mile on a B6 A4

However, the way to do this is to get a small enough turbo that can make the power with the quickest spool time, and run the crap out of the boost (30+psi)

- 2.0T or built head 5857
- 35psi
- cams
- W/M
- LWFW clutch setup that can shift very quickly

My issue was the 1-2 shift lost me a ton of time, and if I fell out of the powerband I was screwed. The LWFW to shift quickly and being able to stay in it and rev to the moon helps a lot at the track. As far as reliability, that car is called a B8 S4.

[BlueBoostedAudi]

You will never get a mid 11 second 1/4 mile on a B6 A4.

You may not have been able to get a mid 11 second quarter mile B6 A4 but doesn't mean that I can't please don't limit me or say what I can and can't do now I am going to have to prove you wrong

[BlueBoostedAudi]

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Got the fireproof sleeve over the oil drain to help keep the heat from the manifold off of the oil after I put this on my cars oil ran cooler!

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Stage 5 locking bolts for the oil drain
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[BlueBoostedAudi]

And finally I have a picture of how my oil drain is setup! I have it running into the stock oil drain tube off of the oil pan I just slide the hoes over that and clamp it down! works awesome the oil hasn't leaked since I put this on! But obviously it isn't on now but one day it'll be back on!!!

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[A4SoftWalker]

You will never get a mid 11 second 1/4 mile on a B6 A4

You may not have been able to get a mid 11 second quarter mile B6 A4 but doesn't mean that I can't please don't limit me or say what I can and can't do now I am going to have to prove you wrong

Ahhhh yeeeah the good ol days are back

[cmiguel32]

Ahhhh yeeeah the good ol days are back

Indeed.
We need some more track times!

[BlueBoostedAudi]

So has the stock fuel system with upgraded fuel pump and injectors handled 600 HP?
I can't wait for the track but won't go until after I'm bat lol

[AudiA4_20T]

You may not have been able to get a mid 11 second quarter mile B6 A4 but doesn't mean that I can't please don't limit me or say what I can and can't do now I am going to have to prove you wrong

Hahah. You won't!

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Hahah. You won't!

Ohh I will

[texasboy21]

Ohh I will

Weight, gearing, powerband that is needed to achieve HP level high enough to produce a 11s pass, etc.

It hasnt happened bc people cant drive, or havnt tried..

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Update:
I got my eurodyne flashed to stg 1 for now!
However when I go and try to get into log viewer V5 it does not let me. It says shim errors for The. NET Framework version and platform support
And it carries on to say notes in error and whatnot too much to type anyway period but I guess I could take a picture of it and upload it if I have to.
does anybody know how to fix this?
I did go into the control panel and then click programs and then clicked turn Windows features on or off and then I clicked the. NET Framework 3.5 and clicked them all on but this did not work...

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Need some help from the maestro users!!
So I flashed my tune to my car but used a buddy's laptop.
I got a new laptop and asked if he would send me over my tune . But unfortunately he deleted it...
So my question is how do I get back to the place where I can select, stage 1 tune, stage 2 tune, stage 3 tune 630cc injectors, stage 3 tune 725cc injectors???
Any help would be awesome! As I am new to tuning and to eurodyne!!!
I would like the amb 725cc stage 3 tune!
As soon as I can figure this out I will put my 80# inj and my 5857 precision turbo into MY car!!
But obviously I don't want you put that turbo on my car with a stage 1 tune and stock injectors. So any help would be awesome thank you guys and girls

[BlueBoostedAudi]

Never mind I found it...
It's in maestro the click file then click choose base file....
I will update after I put the turbo and whatnot!