H&R Sport Springs

[4Rings3Liters]

Quick question for those with H&R Sport Springs (NOT OE SPORT)... I ordered these for my 2013 S4 hoping to eliminate wheel gap with NO rubbing however when I measure the stock gap I come up with almost 1.5 inches exactly which is what they advertise as the lowering points. Will I rub or am I good? Stock suspension otherwise. Thanks

[eurotic]

You should also provide the specs for the wheels (diameter, width and offset) and tire (make, model and size) as those have a huge impact on fitment.

[bayonet14]

I can tell you that w/ 19x8.5 ET35 PSS 255 on Sport OE... I hit a sudden dip while in a turn it will rub
Even once your spring settle in you may have rub based on the condition of the road - for me if I want to diminish as much as possible I will roll the fenders and switch to a 245

And like above ^ - state your tire/wheel setup details

[MrFunk]

I've found that OE springs virtually eliminate gap. Sport springs I think look slightly sunken. If that's the look you're going for cool... but if you're only looking to eliminate the gap and not have rubbing issues then you may want to reconsider.
The sports may lower more than you want. The OE springs lower 1.2, the Sport springs 1.5. That .3 makes a big difference IMO.

I have 0 rub issues and I run 12mm spacers on OE spec wheels. I'd assume with OE spec wheels and tires and no spacers you should not have any issues with rubbing.

Yeah sorry not Sport spring response you were looking for but figured I've give my 2c since you mentioned only wanting to eliminate gap.

OH - I would highly and STRONGLY recommend upgrading your shocks if you go with sport springs while you are doing the install. Otherwise you will have a very unrefined and bouncy ride. Very bouncy. Mine was bouncy on OE's so I'd only imagine Sports would be even more so. I'd go with B8 Bilstein Sport shocks. http://www.tirerack.com/suspension/s...dClar=Prestige

[SteveYem]

^ I think you got lucky with your H&R OE spring drop. I had this springs on my B8 with OEM shocks and it was not that low in the front or back. If there was some guarantee that the drop would look like that, I would switch to HR OE with Bilstein shocks in an instant.

[MrFunk]

Hm. I am also running spacers which make a difference in appearance.

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[SteveYem]

Hm. I am also running spacers which make a difference in appearance.

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That could be it, but what I always disliked was the noticeably more tire-fender gap in the front versus the rear. In my case, if they had made the front springs maybe 1/4" shorter I would have been a happy camper. Instead I always felt like the front end of the car was sitting too high and giving that reverse-rake look. I admit that it's very subtle:
For reference, 19x8.5 et38 wheels, no spacers, Michelin PSS 255/35-19.

[bayonet14]

2015 B8.5 On Sport OE and stock shocks (granted quite new when H&R installed) but no bounce - so you can stick w/original shocks...mileage may vary but eventually they will be replaced

Another factor to consider is tire manufacturer / tire side wall profile - they do vary...and as you notice the PSS has a VERY square profile so it eats up ALOT of that fender gap / next being the wheel ET
mine is a 35ET PSS 255/35-19:

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[bayonet14]

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[SteveYem]

^ Have you posted any profile shots of your car sitting on a flat surface, and if so could you provide a link?

[bayonet14]

^ Have you posted any profile shots of your car sitting on a flat surface, and if so could you provide a link?

You got it

[SteveYem]

Thank you! Looks great. I may be getting convinced..

[MrFunk]

I will re-iterate - there IS bounce with HR OE spring and OEM shocks. Sorry bayonet... you are probably are just used to it or don't notice (which is fine).
Drive a car with proper dampners and same springs and you will see what you're putting up with and missing out on. The car is not settled with OEM shocks on lowering springs.

Yes it's adequate and yes probably OK for most to run OEM shocks - but if you can afford an extra 600 bucks get the shocks and have them put them in at the same time and have the best of both world => looks and performance (will not cost you a penny more for install since they will need to put the new springs on your shocks) - it may in fact be LESS expensive because they won't have to dismount the old set up. On a car like this I wouldn't cheap out with only springs.

Here's a thread I started after I went from OEM shocks to Bilstein (after driving for years on OEM shocks). I wish I had just done it from the get go...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...wering-springs

[MrFunk]

Thank you! Looks great. I may be getting convinced..

The risk is the same with any springs install. You can't adjust them and if the stance is not exactly as you want you are stuck. Same goes for OE's, Sports or any other spring... I am partial to the OE's for an OEM+ look but for some it's not slammed enough and they want even lower...

[chasery]

H&R Sport Springs with Bilstein HD Shocks. I get the occasional rub if the car is loaded with heavy ass .NET software engineers haha.

I ran ST coilovers on my B8 A4 before this which is suppose to be KW V1 equivalents with shittier materials. The ride is night and day in comfort and ride.

[mdeneso]

I'm running H&R sport springs and I do get occasional rub. But my wheels are also 20x10 et40. If you are getting the sport springs I would definitely get adjustable control arms as well.


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[chet.rowles]

+2 on ride being compromised SIGNIFICANTLY even with just OE sport. Really wish I would have done shocks

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[4Rings3Liters]

Thanks for the responses. Haven't decided on wheels yet but most likely will be going with something in the range of 19x8.5 ET 35ish.

[bayonet14]

I will re-iterate - there IS bounce with HR OE spring and OEM shocks. Sorry bayonet... you are probably are just used to it or don't notice (which is fine).
Drive a car with proper dampners and same springs and you will see what you're putting up with and missing out on. The car is not settled with OEM shocks on lowering springs.

Yes it's adequate and yes probably OK for most to run OEM shocks - but if you can afford an extra 600 bucks get the shocks and have them put them in at the same time and have the best of both world => looks and performance (will not cost you a penny more for install since they will need to put the new springs on your shocks) - it may in fact be LESS expensive because they won't have to dismount the old set up. On a car like this I wouldn't cheap out with only springs.

Here's a thread I started after I went from OEM shocks to Bilstein (after driving for years on OEM shocks). I wish I had just done it from the get go...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...wering-springs

Hmm you have ADS? Maybe I dont notice - but had KWs on my previous and THAT had bounce - my current set up w/ ADS - I dig it... why i gave the caveat that may not be the same of others - even road conditions where you may daily drive will influence (tire/wheel/tire height...245s you will get a nice low profile but comes w/more feedback you will feel thru the wheel). But the only place i truly enjoyed all the roads/conditions was Europe and Germany

And the KW bounce - my wife was none the happier when I sold my 05 M3 w/KWs - she would comment all the time on the bounce ;) - in the S4 she is like wow what a difference

[Vanimal]

I will re-iterate - there IS bounce with HR OE spring and OEM shocks. Sorry bayonet... you are probably are just used to it or don't notice (which is fine).
Drive a car with proper dampners and same springs and you will see what you're putting up with and missing out on. The car is not settled with OEM shocks on lowering springs.

Yes it's adequate and yes probably OK for most to run OEM shocks - but if you can afford an extra 600 bucks get the shocks and have them put them in at the same time and have the best of both world => looks and performance (will not cost you a penny more for install since they will need to put the new springs on your shocks) - it may in fact be LESS expensive because they won't have to dismount the old set up. On a car like this I wouldn't cheap out with only springs.

Here's a thread I started after I went from OEM shocks to Bilstein (after driving for years on OEM shocks). I wish I had just done it from the get go...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...wering-springs

Yes there is he's right. My OEM shocks have 86k on them on my 2010 S5, have had H&R OE springs on for about 8k miles or so. I can feel them starting to get a little bouncy for my liking, granted I'm a little OCD.

On smooth roads and the highway they are fine. But on local roads that arent the best, it will bounce me around a bit. Nothing like people with cheap coil overs and their car slammed. But its a tad jarring sometimes. That said, i will be getting a set of Bilstein shcoks to match soon, probably spring. Car looks great at that height for me. I just want to get a little better of a ride. Especially since i went from 19" stock wheels to 20" Vorsteiner wheels on my B8 S5. The Bilstein shocks should liven the suspension right up again.

OE sport is the perfect DD height for me in PA with not the greatest roads.

[4Rings3Liters]

[IMG] I'm running H&R sport springs and I do get occasional rub. But my wheels are also 20x10 et40. If you are getting the sport springs I would definitely get adjustable control arms as well.


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What's the reason for adjustable control arms? Clearance issues?

[mdeneso]

What's the reason for adjustable control arms? Clearance issues?

No, I haven't gotten around to getting control arms yet and I have burnt through the inside of my tires like crazy.


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[4Rings3Liters]

No, I haven't gotten around to getting control arms yet and I have burnt through the inside of my tires like crazy.


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So the control arms rub when lowered?

[tcoshea]

Nope... Adjustable control arms let you adjust camber, and help reduce the inner wear on the tires