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    APR Presents the B8/B8.5 A4/A5/Q5 Cast Downpipe Exhaust System

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    APR is pleased to present the ultimate Cast Downpipe Exhaust System!



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    The APR Cast Downpipe Exhaust System replaces the restrictive factory downpipe and chambered resonator with a larger, 76mm stainless steel mandrel-bent system, featuring a bell-mouth cast inlet, high-flow catalyst and various other features. Expect better throttle response, more horsepower and an intoxicating exhaust note, while remaining civilized during normal daily driving. It’s one of the best performance upgrade for the 1.8 TFSI and 2.0 TFSI following the APR ECU Upgrade and it’s all designed and assembled in-house, using premium materials and world-class manufacturing techniques few can match.




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    Quick Facts

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    - More power and less turbo lag
    +40-47 HP & +36-45 FT-LBS over APR Stage I (B8 A4 2.0T).

    - Full 76mm downpipe system
    Say goodbye to the tiny, kinked, 60mm tubing and chambered resonator.

    - Bell-mouth investment-cast downpipe inlets
    Ultra smooth cast inlet for unmatched performance.

    - GESI High-flow catalysts
    Strong and reliable catalyst, with reduces emissions, smell and noise over catless setups without the performance hit.

    - T304L stainless steel construction
    Premium grade materials to resists corrosion and stands the test of time.

    - Argon back-purged TIG welding
    Clean, strong and attractive welds both inside and outside the pipes.

    - OEM-style low-profile slip-on clamps
    Easy to install with tons of clearance. Resists leaks and doesn't deform the pipe.

    - OEM-style internally-corrugated flex section
    High flow without the failures common with braided setups.

    - Investment cast secondary oxygen sensor bungs
    A perfect fit that doesn't protrude into the pipe.

    - Compatible with the OEM catback exhaust
    Bolt-on and go.

    - In-house design, assembly and quality control
    All critical aspects of the system are handled internally to ensure the highest quality fit and finish.

    - All hardware and instructions included
    All included for a headache free install.

    - APR Stage II ECU Upgrade price waived
    Upgrade from APR Stage I to APR Stage II for free.

    - Limited lifetime warranty
    The best system with the best warranty.

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    Components

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    Cast Downpipe

    The downpipe is like nothing else on the market. The investment-cast, bell-mouth inlet provides an ultra smooth transition between the turbo’s 80mm outlet and the high quality catalyst’s inlet. All of the tubing in the system is upgraded from the awkwardly-kinked, 60mm tubing to attractively-brushed, straight-through and mandrel-bent 76mm tubing. The CNC laser cut bracket provides a strong and accurately positioned mounting point to take the weight of the downpipe off the turbocharger, and the internally-corrugated flex section gives the downpipe the flex it needs under engine movement. Finally, the downpipe uses T304L stainless steel components that are TIG welded together with argon back-purging, ensuring the system not only looks great on the inside and out, but stands the test of time.



    76mm Midpipe

    The APR Cast Downpipe Exhaust System is a “full” downpipe, as it also includes the midpipe section underneath the vehicle. The factory midpipe uses awkwardly-kinked, 60mm tubing with some systems featuring a chambered resonator that poses a large restriction, especially vehicles with upgraded turbochargers. The APR midpipe eliminates the front resonator, giving the exhaust a slightly more aggressive note, while eliminating performance robbing restrictions. Finally, the midpipe uses attractively-brushed, straight-through and mandrel-bent 76mm T304L stainless steel tubing.



    Flex Section

    The APR midpipe use an OEM-style flex section that is fully sealed with a corrugated inner lining to improve flow and reliability. The low profile design and minimal use of bradding material eliminates clearance issues common with other designs that can billow, rub, rattle and fray over time. The flex section is constructed from T304L stainless steel and is argon back-purged when TIG welded to the downpipe.



    Catalytic Converter

    APR’s engineers specified a high-quality and high-flow GESI metal 300-cell catalyst ideal for forced induction application. During dyno testing, the 100mm x 100mm design showed no measurable loss in power, thanks to the catalyst’s design.

    Internally the catalytic converter feature a proprietary wash coat that helps to reduce emissions and smell common on cat-less setups. The low-profile catalyst features a fully captured substrate brick, which is furnace braised to the outer mantle and physically captured by the diffuser cones preventing rattling, rotation, and damage to the substrate. Subsequently, a byproduct of running the catalyst is a reduction in noise, making the system as a whole more pleasing to the ear.



    Bracket

    Attached to the downpipe is a high quality mounting bracket. The bracket is constructed from T304L stainless steel and is CNC-machined and CNC-bent to exact tolerances. The bracket is TIG welded to the piping and argon back-purged.



    Clamps


    APR’s engineers specified a T304L stainless steel, OEM-style exhaust clamp designed to eliminate the need for flanges, swedging, or slip fittings. By using this low profile design, the exhaust system can be positioned higher in the exhaust tunnel and away from the ground with better clearances compared to flanged setups. Each clamp allows for less turbulence and greater accuracy at the connection points as the pipes simply butt up to one another rather than the ambiguity and voids associated with swedged slip fittings. Furthermore, the clamp doesn’t rely on deforming the pipe to provide a tight seal, making install and removal more convenient.



    Oxygen Sensor Bung

    APR’s Engineers paid special attention to the details when designing the APR Cast Downpipe Exhaust System all the way down to the oxygen sensor bung. APR’s O2 bung is investment cast from T304L stainless steel and is curved to perfectly fit on the catalyst, without protruding into the pipe, as this would further impede airflow beyond the sensor itself. The bung is TIG welded to the piping and argon back-purging is used to ensure the interior surface is smooth and clean.



    Reducer

    A simple and removable, T304L stainless steel reducer, featuring a smooth transition, is included, making the APR Cast Downpipe Exhaust System directly compatible with the OEM catback exhaust system.



    Gasket

    Included with each system is an OEM gasket, designed to mate between the downpipe and the turbocharger.



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    Dyno Testing

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    B8 A4 2.0T - APR Stage II - 287 HP & 341 FT-LBS - +47 HP @ 6,700 RPM & +45 TQ @ 3,100 RPM Over APR Stage I - 91 Octane
    B8 A4 2.0T - APR Stage II - 291 HP & 354 FT-LBS - +40 HP @ 6,700 RPM & +36 TQ @ 3,150 RPM Over APR Stage I - 93 Octane

    Reported wheel figures measured using APR's AWD Dynapack with multiple vehicles, using SAE correction and an average of multiple runs for all figures. Stage II included a high flow downpipe. Crank figures are estimated based on the measured wheel figures. Results may vary depending upon environmental conditions, vehicle, transmission, vehicle health, operating conditions, temperatures, fuel grade, dyno type, dyno setup, other variables and other modifications.

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    The APR Difference

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    The Engineering and Designing Phase



    In the past APR worked with other manufacturers to develop a limited range of private-label exhaust systems outside the scope of APR’s internal development and manufacturing capabilities. Understanding the limits of such a program, combined with APR’s desire to deliver higher-quality products in a timely manner with better customer support, APR invested in internalizing the program. With the release of this exhaust system and the others like it, APR is pleased to present our first systems fully designed and engineered in-house from the ground up!

    Design and development begins with the use of APR’s professional grade in-house coordinate measuring machines. APR’s engineers have full access to a Romer Absolute arm with integrated laser scanner, FaroArm and Creaform 3D laser scanner for collection of special constraints surrounding the factory exhaust system. The engineers scan the vehicles and create detailed 3D maps of their design environment while designing each system in PTC Creo 3.0 CAD software.

    Using APR’s in-house stereolithography 3D printer, rapid prototypes are created for fitment on the vehicle. The design is easily and quickly verified, and if necessary, changes can be made. Once adequate clearances and fitment is confirmed, especially in areas that move under load, physical quick-cast prototypes are created and fitted for final verification through real-world use.

    APR’s world-class manufacturing partners from around the globe are responsible for manufacturing each component that falls outside of APR’s internal capabilities. Working closely with each manufacturer, APR’s engineers supply CAD models, materials specs, and other design specifications and work hand-in-hand with the manufacturer to develop the components. The end result is a collection of components, wholly unique to the APR name, awaiting final finishing, assembly and quality control at APR’s 78,000 square foot facility in Opelika, Alabama in the USA.

    The Fabrication, Finishing and Assembly Phase



    Manufacturing takes place both internally and externally to APR while finishing and assembly is completed in-house. APR’s fabrication team sends each cast component through the ceramic vibrating tumblers to smooth and de-burr surface imperfections. Each component is then cleaned by hand and prepared for assembly.

    APR’s fabrication experts TIG weld each component, creating reliable, high quality and attractive welds. Each component is back-purged with argon during the process ensuring the weld is strong and consistent, as well as clean throughout. With this process complete, the APR Cast Downpipe Exhaust System is born!

    Final Quality Control



    APR has placed a large emphasis on improving quality control across various product lines, and the exhaust program is not excluded. To ensure the systems are delivered as advertised, APR’s engineers have taken a multi-step approach that encompasses many techniques that go beyond the industry standard.

    Metallurgy Testing
    APR’s engineers request full metallurgy reports with each batch of components to ensure the components are made with the material grades specified on the original design prints. This information is then cross-referenced against randomly selected and independently tested samples before the components are released for assembly.

    Dimensional Inspection
    Great designs only matter if the manufacturer delivers the components as expected. To help ensure the designs are as specified, APR’s engineers randomly select components and conduct full dimensional inspections using in-house 3D laser scanning equipment. Tolerances are digitally checked against the original specifications and passed or failed based on the results.

    Fixtures
    Operating in an environment designed for accuracy and repeatability, APR’s fabrication experts leave little room for error during the final assembly phase. Jigs and fixtures, created in-house, live on custom-specified fabrication tables. This working environment ensures the highest level of quality control during the assembly process and safeguards against dimensional variations potentially created during the manufacturing process. The end result is a system that fits every time as it’s true to the original design specifications.

    Visual Quality
    When hand-building the products in-house, an extra level of control takes place. Components are visually checked for imperfections, and items that fall out of quality standards are rejected. The products are then packaged with care before being distributed across the world.

    APR’s confidence in the system’s quality allows for a limited lifetime warranty.

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    Application Guide

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    Vehicles
    Audi A4 (8K - B8 & B8.5)
    Audi A5 (8T - B8 & B8.5)
    Audi Q5 (8R)

    Engines
    1.8 TFSI EA888 Gen 1
    2.0 TFSI EA888 Gen 2

    Drivetrain
    Quattro - Left Hand Drive

    Part Number
    DPK0019

    Price
    $749.99

    Stage 2 Software
    Free upgrade from APR Stage 1 with purchase of APR downpipe, or +$149.99 upgrade from APR Stage 1 with a different downpipe.

    IMPORTANT PRICING AND AVAILABILITY DETAILS:
    - Pricing: Please contact an APR Importer for pricing outside the USA.
    - Availability and ECU Compatibility: Stages, programs, and features may not be available for all ECUs.
    - ECU Revision Notice: Multiple ECU revisions exist for each platform. APR software may be temporarily unavailable when factory updates are applied. An APR dealer can check availability in person, or over the phone if the ECU boxcode/revision is known.
    - Stage II Pricing: Customers who have purchased an APR ECU Upgrade before February 16th, 2015 are exempt from upgrade fees.
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    40-47 crank hp gain with a HFC and downpipe?







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    That price is a lot lower than I thought, considering that it comes with the downpipe section and stage 2 tune. Awesome product!

    Also, I happen to be an engineer for investment casted products, and it's extremely rare to hear it mentioned in public, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllroadCorbin View Post
    40-47 crank hp gain with a HFC and downpipe?
    Here are the gains, at every RPM point, for 91 octane, stage 1 vs stage 2 on the B8 A4:



    Crank / Wheel gains are the same. I don't use a percentage to estimate crank.
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    I have been waiting for this release, so if I go stage 1 and buy this setup I get stage 2 for free?
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    Quote Originally Posted by B7AudiSline View Post
    I have been waiting for this release, so if I go stage 1 and buy this setup I get stage 2 for free?
    Yes, that's correct!
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    It just seems pretty steep for hardware but if that's legit that's cool. I guess it's hard for me to believe since when I slapped the test pipe on my b8.5 Allroad and went form your stage 1 to stage 2 it didn't feel too much different. But I was also having bad timing retard issues at the time... So perhaps that ruined my back to back comparison


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    Nevermind I read the print at the bottom......


    IMPORTANT PRICING AND AVAILABILITY DETAILS:
    - Pricing: Please contact an APR Importer for pricing outside the USA.
    - Availability and ECU Compatibility: Stages, programs, and features may not be available for all ECUs.
    - ECU Revision Notice: Multiple ECU revisions exist for each platform. APR software may be temporarily unavailable when factory updates are applied. An APR dealer can check availability in person, or over the phone if the ECU boxcode/revision is known.
    - Stage II Pricing: Customers who have purchased an APR ECU Upgrade before February 16th, 2015 are exempt from upgrade fees.
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    Luft-Technik Intercooler w/hard pipes

    RIP 2007 BB A4 2.0T Quattro Tip S-line Titanium Pgk/APR STG 2/Test Pipe/3'' Downpipe/Forge DV/K&N Drop in Filter/VAGCOM/APR Snub Mount/ECS Vent Pod Boost Gauge/CC/HOEN Fogs/LED City Lights/ECS LED Plate Lights/Tint/RIP

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    It is known that the B8.5 is a bit more sensitive when it comes to the O2 sensor and keeping the CEL off come inspection time. Is this system any different? Has there been any tests with the B8.5 and spacers to keep that CEL off without the stage 2 tune?
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    So wait, that's a no? If you bought the tune after February you still have to pay upgrade fees after buying the downpipe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by petraman View Post
    So wait, that's a no? If you bought the tune after February you still have to pay upgrade fees after buying the downpipe?
    stage 2 software is free if you buy this downpipe and already own apr stage 1
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    Holy shite , $750 for a downpipe/HFC?! The same power gains can be had with a $350 EC, 034, etc, etc HFC.
    Stage 1 more than you RS3

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    Different 93 octane hp numbers then on the apr website.. more torque .. wonder what the e85 stg numbers will be..

    Nevermind..... just realized these are still the same b8 stg 2 93 octane numbers.291hp 354tq........ b8.5 numbers may remain the same at stg 2 93octane 302hp 343tq at crank... Most likely more running e85....
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRigs View Post
    It is known that the B8.5 is a bit more sensitive when it comes to the O2 sensor and keeping the CEL off come inspection time. Is this system any different? Has there been any tests with the B8.5 and spacers to keep that CEL off without the stage 2 tune?
    We've kept the sensor in the basic OEM location, but our catalyst is definitely not stock. It should throw a CEL on stock software. As for spacing it out, we haven't tested anything like that.

    Quote Originally Posted by petraman View Post
    So wait, that's a no? If you bought the tune after February you still have to pay upgrade fees after buying the downpipe?
    If you purchase the APR Downpipe, Stage 2 is Free.

    If you purchased Stage 1 before Feb 2015, you're grandfathered in, and stage 2 is free.

    If neither of those conditions apply to you, it's $149.99.

    Quote Originally Posted by o1turbo30v View Post
    Holy shite , $750 for a downpipe/HFC?!
    We're not just an upper tube, and we're not using a low quality catalyst either (Those tend to fail, delaminate from their housings, twist inside the catalyst, and block air flow). I'd give the information a read, and then compare and contrast it to other systems and you'll see the pricing is quite excellent.

    I would like to point out the factory midpipe is a major restriction point. We had difficulty making power, and battling EGTs while only upgrading the upper portion of the downpipe. After noticing the midpipe resonator turned blue, we opened it up to see why it's so restrictive. As you can see here, it's a chambered design. Exhaust gasses enter, and sound is muffled via two perf packed areas. However, in the center of the resonator is an offset tube chamber box, which creates a massive restriction. Our design eliminates this completely, and increases the diameter of the piping:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
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    Interesting. I'm about to slap a used AWE downpipe I found onto my Allroad that has a test pipe and a magnaflow system after the stock downpipe... I wonder if I will notice gains. Awe said they noticed nothing with a new downpipe, but that stock design doesn't look like flow was the goal.


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    Simply bolting it on, they may not have noticed any gains. However, we were calibrating Stage 2, our K04 upgrade, and Stage 3 software upgrade with both the stock components and upgraded components. That's where we saw differences. We simply could not push the system further with the factory components there. EBP (Exhaust Back Pressure) and EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature) were both too high for comfort to continue pushing further without modifying this part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
    Simply bolting it on, they may not have noticed any gains. However, we were calibrating Stage 2, our K04 upgrade, and Stage 3 software upgrade with both the stock components and upgraded components. That's where we saw differences. We simply could not push the system further with the factory components there. EBP (Exhaust Back Pressure) and EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature) were both too high for comfort to continue pushing further without modifying this part.
    Good to know since the Allroad gets a k04 next week haha


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    Just FYI, Unitronic offers the same setup (dp+HFC) for $799 and that doesn't include the stage 2 tune. AWE's dp is $600 too (although it's resonated). Not dissing those products, just keep that in mind when you're judging the price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petraman View Post
    Just FYI, Unitronic offers the same setup (dp+HFC) for $799 and that doesn't include the stage 2 tune. AWE's dp is $400 too. Not dissing those products, just keep that in mind when you're judging the price.
    AWEs dp is actually $599 new I think haha. I found one for wayyyyyy less thankfully. Awe makes great stuff.

    Would love to hear a vid from apr of the sound of their set up


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    Whoops, updated lol. Yeah I'm really surprised people started bitching about the price...I think it's a pretty good deal.

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    This may help to understand the midpipe a little better:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
    Simply bolting it on, they may not have noticed any gains. However, we were calibrating Stage 2, our K04 upgrade, and Stage 3 software upgrade with both the stock components and upgraded components. That's where we saw differences. We simply could not push the system further with the factory components there. EBP (Exhaust Back Pressure) and EGT (Exhaust Gas Temperature) were both too high for comfort to continue pushing further without modifying this part.
    With that said, does that mean that there will be a new Ko4 map release? I purchased an APR Ko4 new about a month ago, and will be installing it this weekend. Should I be anticipating a new tune release for the Ko4 for upgraded components (ie. HFC/Downpipe)? Also will those whom are already Stage 2 receive an updated tune?
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    All of the updated tunes were created using the full downpipe setup while in prototype form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
    All of the updated tunes were created using the full downpipe setup while in prototype form.
    So there is an updated Stage 2 tune? Because the site still lists different numbers for it; one for the downpipe is different than the stated numbers for the stage 2 software area. And those are the original stage 2 numbers when I tuned back in Oct 14.
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    I think Arin means on the last revisions within the past two years or so. I asked a few months ago if there was any b8.5 stage 2 update and was told no


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
    All of the updated tunes were created using the full downpipe setup while in prototype form.
    How recent is this update? If I got the stage 2 tune this past May 19th is there a new file available?

    Also, how is fitment on the Allroad? I learned the hard way that not all things that fit the A4 fit the AR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllroadCorbin View Post
    I think Arin means on the last revisions within the past two years or so. I asked a few months ago if there was any b8.5 stage 2 update and was told no


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    That was my question too


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    Quote Originally Posted by petraman View Post
    Whoops, updated lol. Yeah I'm really surprised people started bitching about the price...I think it's a pretty good deal.
    I guess i think differently then you, i got the Billy Boat exhaust, full 3 inch with a downpipe for $750, plus a $300 034 HFC, i got a full 3" turbo back for $1050. So this to me seems very expensive for no more power gain than a $350 HFC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poweredbyaudi7 View Post
    So there is an updated Stage 2 tune?
    B8 - Updated around 2/2015
    B8.5 - Updated around 10/2014

    Because the site still lists different numbers for it;
    Same figures:
    http://www.goapr.com/products/apr_ex...pe_20t_b8.html
    http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_up...sivl_long.html


    Quote Originally Posted by earhythmic View Post
    Also, how is fitment on the Allroad?
    The allroad and avant models are supported too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arin@APR View Post
    B8 - Updated around 2/2015
    B8.5 - Updated around 10/2014



    Same figures:
    http://www.goapr.com/products/apr_ex...pe_20t_b8.html
    http://www.goapr.com/products/ecu_up...sivl_long.html




    The allroad and avant models are supported too!
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    Do you, or anybody who makes downpipes have any scientific way of measuring flow increase/ restriction decrease? I 100% believe the APR unit and AWE units flow better but I'm curious how you could measure the difference as far as air volume
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    so if you got the stage 1 in February 2016 and buy the downpipe you still have to pay 135???

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    plus has anyone heard of Armytrix Exhaust for our beloved A4 b8 2.0 that is all three in exhaust with a test pipe all high quality steel???

    http://www.armytrix.com/Audi-A4.php

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    I'll be heading to dubwerx here in cincy sometime next week and get this ordered, sweet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dez_Nutz_NM313 View Post
    so if you got the stage 1 in February 2016 and buy the downpipe you still have to pay 135???
    Did you not read APR's response?

    "If you purchase the APR Downpipe, Stage 2 is Free.

    If you purchased Stage 1 before Feb 2015, you're grandfathered in, and stage 2 is free.

    If neither of those conditions apply to you, it's $149.99."

    Your question falls under the first part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dez_Nutz_NM313 View Post
    so if you got the stage 1 in February 2016 and buy the downpipe you still have to pay 135???
    No, it's free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by helldriver View Post
    I'll be heading to dubwerx here in cincy sometime next week and get this ordered, sweet.
    Thank you!
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    I'll most likely have this installed next Fri at aptuning as well!.. they are awaiting shipments..
    Won't come in this Friday.....

    I'm guessing arin the mid pipe part of this will be compatible with the upcoming efr kit??... Being that the turbo will require a different hfc mounting setup...
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    We started shipping some yesterday, and if you placed an order today, I would assume this afternoon ( could be wrong ). Anyways, thank you for the purchase! Please share your thoughts when you get it!
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