Standalone system for AEB cars

[GrapeBandit]

3" IC piping is overkill.

I dont think you want a 2.8 TB. the TPS can not be removed when it goes bad, forcing you to buy a whole new TB.

[The Overclocker]

Methane or methanol??


Is there a particular reason why you want 750cc injectors? Just because you already have them?
As far as meth injection are you going to always run it? Basically "only" be tuned for meth?
Why do you want to run meth?

And what are your power goals? You can't just throw things together and expect something big, it all has to work together.

Im going to be running a snow performance stage 3 water/meth kit

The car has 94oct fuel




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[The Overclocker]

3" IC piping is overkill.

I dont think you want a 2.8 TB. the TPS can not be removed when it goes bad, forcing you to buy a whole new TB.

Turbo to intercooler 2.5" intercooler to tb 3"

What trottle body do you recommend in this situation


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[GrapeBandit]

wait. . . I just saw your other thread. is this the same car? with these power goals auto trans go BOOM! ! !

[chris164935]

If you're going stand-alone, you can technically run any throttle body you want: any brand/size/DBC/DBW. It's up to you. All you'd have to do is tap your manifold for the bolt pattern of the new throttle body. All, since you'll have a stand-alone system, you can use any TPS you want (if you go aftermarket throttle body that requires a separate TPS).
Also, with stand-alone you can throw your pro-MAF or whatever in the trash. Lol. Or sell it and buy a nice quality MAP sensor (AEM has different ones that would go perfect with the ECU). Also, I do not know what brand injectors you have, but if you don't have the specs on them, they'll be pretty useless with your stand alone as you have to program the ECU with the injector's dead times, etc. And, with stand-alone, you get to use a wideband O2 sensor for tuning. If you're a DIY kind of guy, then I would HIGHLY recommend you pick up a Bentley manual with all of the wiring diagrams. You will need them, especially if you want to build your harness (most stand-alones come with a harness that you'll have to finish).

Honestly, the first thing you need to do is decide on what engine management you are going with. Stand-alone, swap to a newer Motronic ECU, stick with the AEB ECU, etc. You're trying to figure out too many things that may or may not be limited by what engine management system you go with.

[tar]

wait. . . I just saw your other thread. is this the same car? with these power goals auto trans go BOOM! ! !

His other thread lists a 5speed swap.

[The Overclocker]

If you're going stand-alone, you can technically run any throttle body you want: any brand/size/DBC/DBW. It's up to you. All you'd have to do is tap your manifold for the bolt pattern of the new throttle body. All, since you'll have a stand-alone system, you can use any TPS you want (if you go aftermarket throttle body that requires a separate TPS).
Also, with stand-alone you can throw your pro-MAF or whatever in the trash. Lol. Or sell it and buy a nice quality MAP sensor (AEM has different ones that would go perfect with the ECU). Also, I do not know what brand injectors you have, but if you don't have the specs on them, they'll be pretty useless with your stand alone as you have to program the ECU with the injector's dead times, etc. And, with stand-alone, you get to use a wideband O2 sensor for tuning. If you're a DIY kind of guy, then I would HIGHLY recommend you pick up a Bentley manual with all of the wiring diagrams. You will need them, especially if you want to build your harness (most stand-alones come with a harness that you'll have to finish).

Honestly, the first thing you need to do is decide on what engine management you are going with. Stand-alone, swap to a newer Motronic ECU, stick with the AEB ECU, etc. You're trying to figure out too many things that may or may not be limited by what engine management system you go with.

Thank you for this helpful post

I appriciate!

That aem map sensor add on idea is very smart

I think im really going stand alone .. The best option in my solution

What do you guys think ?




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[The Overclocker]

Found my parts car yesterday !! Picked it up for 500$ and it has a 5 speed


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[Rodgman15]

You sound a LOT like I did, wanting to go aem for all those reasons you've already listed, MAFless, map sensor etc etc. All I can say is, good luck with the harness, I hope you fare better than I did, I ditched the aem and went maestro.

[The Overclocker]

Im giving that job to a good shop localy , they already did it a couple of time on b5's

Im still stuck now with the ( dbc ) 80mm choice, i need options please


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[chris164935]

Only option for DBW 80mm throttle body: 53032801AC That is the part # for the Hemi throttle bodies. I have one and it works perfectly. The pin out is the same as the stock DBW throttle body. However, sourcing a gas pedal might be more of a challenge.

[The Overclocker]

Only option for DBW 80mm throttle body: 53032801AC That is the part # for the Hemi throttle bodies. I have one and it works perfectly. The pin out is the same as the stock DBW throttle body. However, sourcing a gas pedal might be more of a challenge.

I did a mistake wile writing

I need a drive by cable & not by wire !


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[GrapeBandit]

since you are going stand alone, you can use any TB you want as lomg as its cable driven.

I say you go all out and get a Q45 TB

[The Overclocker]

I still need a manual aeb crank shaft



And thanks for that trottle body option

[demonmk2]

No you don't....do more research.

[Rodgman15]

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=225777

[Avant Nate]

Grind http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ual-Conversion

[The Overclocker]

So i got a 53034251AB 80mm trottle body

Is this the good 80mm version ?!






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[The Overclocker]

Can i delete the vacum hose coming out of bottom of the trottle body manifold ?


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[GrapeBandit]

So i got a 53034251AB 80mm trottle body

Is this the good 80mm version ?!






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you need a cable driven TB. from the google search I did on tbat PN, it appears to be a DBW TB

[chris164935]

The plug on that throttle body looks different than the plug from an OEM throttle body. Otherwise, it looks to be the same bolt pattern. If you're going DBW, you'll need to source a pedal cluster from a 2001 A4 for the gas pedal position sensors. Also, you need to make sure that whatever stand-alone you choose can support DBW. I would not buy any other parts/sensors until you decide and purchase the stand-alone system that you want.

[The Overclocker]

you need a cable driven TB. from the google search I did on tbat PN, it appears to be a DBW TB

Sorry guys i forgot to inform you guys on my decision to go full awp harness swap , & dbw instead of dbc

& going with the Aeb Infinity 5 & awp plug & play harness




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[The Overclocker]

The plug on that throttle body looks different than the plug from an OEM throttle body. Otherwise, it looks to be the same bolt pattern. If you're going DBW, you'll need to source a pedal cluster from a 2001 A4 for the gas pedal position sensors. Also, you need to make sure that whatever stand-alone you choose can support DBW. I would not buy any other parts/sensors until you decide and purchase the stand-alone system that you want.

Chris you made me save over 150$ !

I used you're part number and it was wayy cheaper ! For the same stuff .. Thank you !!

Cancelled mine that i ordered

As of the sand alone , its going to be a aem infinity 5 & awp plug & play harness + awp full harness swap




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[The Overclocker]

Btw chris i need the pedal yeah but even the cluster ?! .. Or i read that wrong ?

For the pedal , my donner car has what i need , but how can i check if the pedal is performing right ?

( on donner car pedal works. But only for a couple of minutes , stuff removed , mass air flow, full exhaust is removed ( even the 02sensor ) ) would that be the cause for the pedal not working & in reality it works fine ? Thats why i want to test it out


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[chris164935]

So, when you say AWP, do you really mean AWM? The wiring harness for an AWP motor (1.8t found in transverse cars like GTI and Jetta) is completely different from AWM and I'm pretty sure it won't work (length of wiring is different, connectors are in different spots, different ground spots, etc). You should be getting all of your OEM wiring from a 2001+ A4.
I would say get all of the OEM wiring sorted out (engine harness, fuse/relay panels, gas pedal setup, interior wiring harness) and see if you can get the motor to run on stock injectors. Just let it idle for a moment, rev it a little to check the functionality of your throttle body and gas pedal. No need to drive the car. You just want to make sure that everything is working properly so that you won't be chasing your tail when you install the AEM unit. After you (or the shop doing the work) do that, then, I would install the AEM Infinity Plug-N-Play unit and tune it for the injectors you plan to use.
And, if you plan to do the work yourself, get a Bentley repair manual. It will be your greatest tool with all of the wiring diagrams it has.

[The Overclocker]

So, when you say AWP, do you really mean AWM? The wiring harness for an AWP motor (1.8t found in transverse cars like GTI and Jetta) is completely different from AWM and I'm pretty sure it won't work (length of wiring is different, connectors are in different spots, different ground spots, etc). You should be getting all of your OEM wiring from a 2001+ A4.
I would say get all of the OEM wiring sorted out (engine harness, fuse/relay panels, gas pedal setup, interior wiring harness) and see if you can get the motor to run on stock injectors. Just let it idle for a moment, rev it a little to check the functionality of your throttle body and gas pedal. No need to drive the car. You just want to make sure that everything is working properly so that you won't be chasing your tail when you install the AEM unit. After you (or the shop doing the work) do that, then, I would install the AEM Infinity Plug-N-Play unit and tune it for the injectors you plan to use.
And, if you plan to do the work yourself, get a Bentley repair manual. It will be your greatest tool with all of the wiring diagrams it has.

The stand alone is not done by me

Its done by a local B5 expert , he 'knows these cars by heart

To confirm yes i was talking about the awp harness , he is going to redo everything to make it fit, & i do agree that the engine is not mounted on to the same spot , so does he

He is charging me a very reasonable price for the hole thing

600$ for the hole job ... For that price i wont take a chance of doing it on my own , maybe the next project car i'm going to do it my self


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[The Overclocker]

Chris i didint order the tb , my mecanic tells me its better to use a rs4 trottle body

Can you confirm me if this is a good rs4 trottle body ?




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[chris164935]

The RS4 throttle body is 75mm. It is good, and will probably be more than enough for what you need. But, the price for one is astronomic. Not sure what the RS4 throttle body looks like, but it should have the same plug as the stock throttle body.

I would 100% make sure your guy has a Bentley manual with all of the wiring diagrams. If he doesn't have one, find another guy. I would consider myself a "B5 expert" as well, and I can tell you I couldn't have installed my stand-alone and rewired everything without the Bentley manual. Incorrect wiring will have you chasing ghosts for days, especially if you are installing the stand-alone with a new motor. I've had to go through and individually test every sensor, wiring, relays, control modules, etc. that I did on my car (luckily, my stand-alone allows me to test the inputs/outputs). But, for $600, you got a GREAT deal.

[The Overclocker]

So finally im going hemi dbw ,

I really wanted the rs4 dbw but too expencive and if it breaks , very tuff finding a other one , the hemi one , go to any dodge dealer , show up with 200$ and you leave with a brand new one

Updates :

Donner car has been stripped

Next week my car is going in for its first step , tranny & bottom end rebuild

Will update ones more goodies are installed

Here is a shot of my headers






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[nunya]

I dont think Daz Dillenger is on here. You can find him on facebook where he does most of his work through or on his website vagautoworks.com

I am using a DBW (AWM) harness for my AEB and having Daz tune it. Great price as well.

Why not just get nate to tune it?

[andyrew]

Why not just get nate to tune it?

I already have my Daz ecu in hand. Not familiar with Nates work.

[The Overclocker]

Alright so here is the updates

The car is going in the shop Tuesday the 5 april for the first part of the work then driving the car around for 2-3 weeks untill the break in is done then dropping it back to the shop for all the rest and its done after !

Here is a shot of my valve cover ... But i didint like it so i re stripped it , prepped it more & today its gething re powedercoated

Flat red crinkle



And after re-stripping it for more precision finish



And here is a shot of the bong weld from inside the vc






As for other updates , i have soooo many parts instock now

New things to the list

Awp engine harness ( awp interior harness to ecu comming in next week )

Got crazy prices from my buddy from the local vw dealer

New drive shaft cv joints front & back , drive shaft bearing with base




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[The Overclocker]

More updates

Car is gething swapped & rebuild

Ones done , drive it 500-1000km , then step 2

Meth kit
Gtx2971r
Fuel system
Awp harness swap & aem infinity 5
Intercooler system
Exhaust

And many more

Here is pictures of the turbo




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[demonmk2]

paint job on the valve cover looks good.

[The Overclocker]

Other update , the car is in for its bottom end rebuild & tranny swap


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[The Overclocker]

Here is a pic of the valvecover , i redid it , didint like the quality , now its insane !


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[GrapeBandit]

what trim did you go with on the turbine? I am interested in seeing the finished results, but you need bigger than 750cc injectors depending on goals.

how much hp do you want to "make" or "expect" out of this turbo?

[The Overclocker]

what trim did you go with on the turbine? I am interested in seeing the finished results, but you need bigger than 750cc injectors depending on goals.

how much hp do you want to "make" or "expect" out of this turbo?

56 trim

53.1x71 billet

750cc @ 3 bar 880@ 4 bar over 1000cc with 5 bar

Injectors fine for the job

500awhp with stage 3 water/ methane kit




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[GrapeBandit]

I meant what trim on the turbine, because the gtx2971 comes in 2 different turbine sizes. I still say your injectors are too small.

if you are going for 500awhp, why such a small turbo? The better choice for you would have been gtx3076, which is actually cheaper than yours.

why I say the turbo is too small is because there was a guy who ran a custom "gt3076"(which had the same smaller 29 series 56.5mm turbine wheel instead of the full 30 series 60mm wheel). he hit about 400awhp rocking 32psi on E85

[chris164935]

Yeah. Your injectors are too small. For 500awhp, you want at least 1000cc @ 3 bar to run a safe duty cycle.