APR Presents the Stage III EFR7163 Turbocharger System!

[XLR8 Craig]

has anyone else put one of these on a dyno and seen the results? would love to see real world results

We have



On the heartbreak dyno (AWD Mustang) our close customers project put down 380awhp and 385 lb ft of torque at the wheels. The car picked up substantial power of stage 2 immediately after test drive. Spool up on the graph shows stock like spool up. The car is a blast to drive.

[saxon]

We have



On the heartbreak dyno (AWD Mustang) our close customers project put down 380awhp and 385 lb ft of torque at the wheels. The car picked up substantial power of stage 2 immediately after test drive. Spool up on the graph shows stock like spool up. The car is a blast to drive.

do you have this dyno graph? do you have a stock as well as stage 2 graph on your dyno?

[PRGRMMR]

Just received my kit yesterday. Only going Stage 3 initially, will do fueling upgrades when flex fuel is ready. I plan to get it on the Dynapack dyno that I had my STI dyno'd on. Will be on 91 octane, since that is all we get around here. I'm hoping to get the 400whp that APR advertises for the same setup. I will keep you all updated, I should be making a trip to the closest APR dealer here in the next week or so.

[Kookie]

do you have this dyno graph? do you have a stock as well as stage 2 graph on your dyno?

+1.. can we get some before and after graphs?

[RupertPupkin]

These numbers seem low considering the turbo used and the fact that this one is 3+. I expected much higher wheel numbers with this setup.

[RupertPupkin]

APR advertises 449 WHP and 394 WTQ on 3+ on 93. Why such different power levels?

[demonmk2]

wow...almost 200 whp over. I bet it'll move out.

[saxon]

APR advertises 449 WHP and 394 WTQ on 3+ on 93. Why such different power levels?

its a mustang dyno which are known to read lower compared to dynapack (what apr uses) both are great tools

the main thing that matters is the gains between stock and tuned and i was just looking for non-biased 3rd party results

[RupertPupkin]

70 HP less? At 43 feet above sea level in Connecticut? That seems incredibly off.

[PRGRMMR]

I've seen some incredibly low mustang dyno numbers on other cars. Those things are known for having low numbers and sometimes huge variations depending on how they are calibrated. I'm not saying that the one in the video is calibrated wrong, but I'm sure if you put that same car on a dynapack you'd see numbers closer to the ones advertised by APR. I really wish we saw the stock vs tuned graph, that's what really matters, the overall % increased.

[Arin@APR]

Here are independent dynojet numbers:

Pump:


Race:

[XLR8 Craig]

do you have this dyno graph? do you have a stock as well as stage 2 graph on your dyno?

We do not, the dyno was not running when we did the stock to stage 1 and stage 1 to stage 2 number comparison. We were also not able to get stage 2 numbers prior to the stage 3 dyno. Unfortunate, I know.

70 HP less? At 43 feet above sea level in Connecticut? That seems incredibly off.

This car is without doubt faster than is was as stage 2. Stage 2 feels slow after driving the stage 3 car a few times.

This Mustang dyno reads lower than most, especially lower than APR's hub dyno. We are VERY impressed with the numbers this car put down. Numbers are just numbers and those who we have run on the dyno here can attest to this :) this car will see 450+whp on other dynos.

[S3Danny]

70 HP less? At 43 feet above sea level in Connecticut? That seems incredibly off.

A dyno should be used as a tuning tool and nothing else. Numbers from dyno to dyno will vary wildly.

[forcefed7]

It is important to note the difference in dynos used here.

I have no stake in this conversation, but want to point out some real world data for those of you who are not familiar with the differences between a dynapack, dynojet, mustang and lastly, dynodynamics dyno.

1) Dynapacks always read the highest in terms of HP/TQ. Period. They attach right at the hub and therefore there is less rotational mass influencing the final dyno numbers. This dyno is really only useful for tuning purposes.
2) Dynotjet dyno. These dynos almost never apply load, therefore they give the next highest dyno numbers. Essentially this is the industry standard for dynoing cars as they have been the most accessible dyno. This dyno is also really only useful for tuning purposes.
3) Mustang dyno. These apply load and simulate rolling road resistance. These dynos typically register anywhere from 10-13% lower than a DynoJet. These are great for tuning as you can tune a more accurate ignition and fueling map due to the load on the engine.
4) DynoDynamics dyno. These are the true "heartbreaker" dyno. These read between 16-22% lower than a DynoJet. These are the ultimate for tuning to load and a true representation of the power your car is making while loaded, on the road and simulating load plus wind resistance.

Here is an example of the dyno variance that I experienced between three different dyno models; NO mod changes. All located in Charlotte, NC with a negligent Density Altitude difference between runs (less than 1%).
97 540I 6-speed with headers, tune, mufflers, LWFW, OEM M5 clutch:
1) DynoDynamics 266RWHP. Porsche 911 did 269RWHP and intake and tune LS1 5.7L GTO did 270RWHP same day.
2) Mustang Dyno 290RWHP.
3) Dynojet Dyno 319RWHP.

Essentially a 53RWHP difference between the DynoDynamics and Dynojet on a car with no mod changes, virtually same DA and weather factors, with industry standard smoothing factor built in on all examples.

Don't get hung up on the numbers. Dynos are tuning tools only.

[Lusky]

I was wondering if any APR dealers here would be willing to release a Stage 3 kit back to APR that has not sold yet? I purchased mine in March and I am still unable to get my hands on the kit. My car already has all the other APR components installed and ready for Stage 3. My Stage 3+ Fuel System along with the required mid pipe is sitting at my local APR Dealer in Las Vegas.

Thanks in advance,

Lusky

[fasts3]

I was wondering if any APR dealers here would be willing to release a Stage 3 kit back to APR that has not sold yet? I purchased mine in March and I am still unable to get my hands on the kit. My car already has all the other APR components installed and ready for Stage 3. My Stage 3+ Fuel System along with the required mid pipe is sitting at my local APR Dealer in Las Vegas.

Thanks in advance,

Lusky

Haha.. I ordered my stage 3 through GMP performance in Charlotte in April, and kit is arriving middle of next month JUNE.
According to APR, all back-orders on stage3 will be fullfilled and shipped by June 10th. So, make sure ask your performance shop to get it delivered by June 10th or so..

[XLR8 Craig]

I was wondering if any APR dealers here would be willing to release a Stage 3 kit back to APR that has not sold yet? I purchased mine in March and I am still unable to get my hands on the kit. My car already has all the other APR components installed and ready for Stage 3. My Stage 3+ Fuel System along with the required mid pipe is sitting at my local APR Dealer in Las Vegas.

Thanks in advance,

Lusky

Lusky, I have a kit I can sell you.

E-mail me... [email protected]

[Lusky]

Haha.. I ordered my stage 3 through GMP performance in Charlotte in April, and kit is arriving middle of next month JUNE.
According to APR, all back-orders on stage3 will be fullfilled and shipped by June 10th. So, make sure ask your performance shop to get it delivered by June 10th or so..

Did yours ship? AFAIK I was second on the current list but not sure if mine shipped.
Arin can you confirm or update?

[PRGRMMR]

I really wish the tuning shop here would get setup with APR already so I don't have to drive 800 miles (round trip) to get my kit installed... It's been sitting in my garage for weeks now. Sounds like APR hasn't emailed them back though.

I would happily pay APR or a dealer money to send me to the software and cable so I can click a few buttons after I have a shop install everything. Honestly though, how much "tuning" does an APR dealer do? Plug in a cable, open the software, select the car, select the tune, click install, wait a few minutes, drive around the block, and then charge the customer for the tune (and sometimes labor)? I completely understand the selling and installing parts. I also understand that there are technical hurdles to overcome to prepare software for the public to use. But from my understanding, this isn't a car getting put on a dyno and tuned, this is someone clicking a few buttons.

$5,500 Turbo kit + $1,500 Fuel kit + $500 Mid Pipe + $500 DSG Tune = $8,000 and now all I want is to be able to have a shop I trust install the parts. But if I do that, I have to tow my car 400 miles so someone can plug a cable into my car and click a few buttons. Or I drive my car 400 miles to have the parts installed by a shop I've never been to, and then drive my car 400 miles back. Then if an update to the tune comes out, time to drive another 800 miles.

Obviously I made the mistake of getting something that is dependent on location, for it to not be inconvenient. If my stock turbo hadn't blown, I probably wouldn't have got this kit due to the fact I don't live close to an APR dealer. Luckily Audi replaced the, but I didn't think they would since I was tuned. The Eurodyne tune wasn't detected though after flashing back to stock.

Hell maybe I will just sell the kit to someone that lives close to an APR dealer...

[XLR8 Craig]

I really wish the tuning shop here would get setup with APR already so I don't have to drive 800 miles (round trip) to get my kit installed... It's been sitting in my garage for weeks now. Sounds like APR hasn't emailed them back though.

I would happily pay APR or a dealer money to send me to the software and cable so I can click a few buttons after I have a shop install everything. Honestly though, how much "tuning" does an APR dealer do? Plug in a cable, open the software, select the car, select the tune, click install, wait a few minutes, drive around the block, and then charge the customer for the tune (and sometimes labor)? I completely understand the selling and installing parts. I also understand that there are technical hurdles to overcome to prepare software for the public to use. But from my understanding, this isn't a car getting put on a dyno and tuned, this is someone clicking a few buttons.

$5,500 Turbo kit + $1,500 Fuel kit + $500 Mid Pipe + $500 DSG Tune = $8,000 and now all I want is to be able to have a shop I trust install the parts. But if I do that, I have to tow my car 400 miles so someone can plug a cable into my car and click a few buttons. Or I drive my car 400 miles to have the parts installed by a shop I've never been to, and then drive my car 400 miles back. Then if an update to the tune comes out, time to drive another 800 miles.

Obviously I made the mistake of getting something that is dependent on location, for it to not be inconvenient. If my stock turbo hadn't blown, I probably wouldn't have got this kit due to the fact I don't live close to an APR dealer. Luckily Audi replaced the, but I didn't think they would since I was tuned. The Eurodyne tune wasn't detected though after flashing back to stock.

Hell maybe I will just sell the kit to someone that lives close to an APR dealer...

Where are you located?


PS: We have GTi and R/S3 kits in stock ready to ship!

[saxon]

I really wish the tuning shop here would get setup with APR already so I don't have to drive 800 miles (round trip) to get my kit installed... It's been sitting in my garage for weeks now. Sounds like APR hasn't emailed them back though.

I would happily pay APR or a dealer money to send me to the software and cable so I can click a few buttons after I have a shop install everything. Honestly though, how much "tuning" does an APR dealer do? Plug in a cable, open the software, select the car, select the tune, click install, wait a few minutes, drive around the block, and then charge the customer for the tune (and sometimes labor)? I completely understand the selling and installing parts. I also understand that there are technical hurdles to overcome to prepare software for the public to use. But from my understanding, this isn't a car getting put on a dyno and tuned, this is someone clicking a few buttons.

$5,500 Turbo kit + $1,500 Fuel kit + $500 Mid Pipe + $500 DSG Tune = $8,000 and now all I want is to be able to have a shop I trust install the parts. But if I do that, I have to tow my car 400 miles so someone can plug a cable into my car and click a few buttons. Or I drive my car 400 miles to have the parts installed by a shop I've never been to, and then drive my car 400 miles back. Then if an update to the tune comes out, time to drive another 800 miles.

Obviously I made the mistake of getting something that is dependent on location, for it to not be inconvenient. If my stock turbo hadn't blown, I probably wouldn't have got this kit due to the fact I don't live close to an APR dealer. Luckily Audi replaced the, but I didn't think they would since I was tuned. The Eurodyne tune wasn't detected though after flashing back to stock.

Hell maybe I will just sell the kit to someone that lives close to an APR dealer...

AFAIK they plug in using a obd2 cord and an ipad. Apr would make a killing if they:

1)didn't sell the products themselves to the end consumer
2) had flash at home capability
3) leveraged the dealer network for parts sales and them selling the flash at home kits

With td1 apr is losing its customer base to companies who are catering to the flash at home customer

[PRGRMMR]

Where are you located?


PS: We have GTi and R/S3 kits in stock ready to ship!

In the middle of Idaho.

AFAIK they plug in using a obd2 cord and an ipad. Apr would make a killing if they:

1)didn't sell the products themselves to the end consumer
2) had flash at home capability
3) leveraged the dealer network for parts sales and them selling the flash at home kits

With td1 apr is losing its customer base to companies who are catering to the flash at home customer

Yep agree! I'm sure they are making plenty of money off the dealers paying an up front cost to have the ability to sell parts and flash cars.

If Cobb had an AccessPort for the S3, I'd be taking my car to the tuner here and having them dyno tune my car with this kit.

It would be cool if they were like United Motorsports and offered a loaner tool to people that were more than 200 miles away from a dealer.

[will13k7]

@PRGRMMR, I'd just have it delivered to a APR shop, upgraded to stage3, then delivered back to your home. too many miles to drive it.

[949]

when is the downpipe for the S3 going to be available?

[forcefed7]

Haha.. I ordered my stage 3 through GMP performance in Charlotte in April, and kit is arriving middle of next month JUNE.
According to APR, all back-orders on stage3 will be fullfilled and shipped by June 10th. So, make sure ask your performance shop to get it delivered by June 10th or so..

Nice purchase and congrats on going stage 3! Will GMP be doing the install for you? If yes, please let me know when. I'd love to check out your S3 if you don't mind. They are beautiful cars!

[TheDarkness]

I wanna come see it! GMP is a great shop, they'll do a spot on job with it

[Dan930]

Will this kit be avalible in the uk?

[steve_85]

Will this kit be avalible in the uk?

Any updates on this kit? How has it been performing now that it’s been on the market for a few years? Is APR still offering this kit?

[Arin@APR]

We still offer the kit for a limited range of vehicles. We're actively working on a different setup that will be a simple drop in turbo, and completely emissions compliant with the included tune.

[texasboy21]

We still offer the kit for a limited range of vehicles. We're actively working on a different setup that will be a simple drop in turbo, and completely emissions compliant with the included tune.

This is exciting! Sounds like it will be an is38 hybrid. Do you have any other details to share??!?!

[Arin@APR]

It's not a hybrid. It's an all new turbo. Direct replacement. 100% our design. Thats all I can share at the moment. Long term development.

[texasboy21]

It's not a hybrid. It's an all new turbo. Direct replacement. 100% our design. Thats all I can share at the moment. Long term development.

Very cool!