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    How to get more torque from rs5 ??

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    I'm curious about the delta between horsepower and torque in the 4.2L V8 found in RS5s. Has anyone came with ideas of how to get more power in terms of torque out of these engines? (besides force induction/turbo/supercharging them). Thanks!

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    Easiest way, trade it in for a Lamborghini...that's an Audi engine right ;-)

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    Answer is no. Been discussed an infinite number of times. Just keep it above 5000 rpm or so.
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    HP numbers are great but torque seems so low. There are some 4 cylinder engines delivering those torque numbers, not to mention the RS 2.5 TFSI engine that has 3 less cylinders. 034Motorsports store claims that the REVO Stage 2 for the 4.2L engine produces 452-459 HP / 322-330 TQ. Have you seen anything better out there?

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    Eventuri intake helps on the low end....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deiniel View Post
    HP numbers are great but torque seems so low. There are some 4 cylinder engines delivering those torque numbers, not to mention the RS 2.5 TFSI engine that has 3 less cylinders. 034Motorsports store claims that the REVO Stage 2 for the 4.2L engine produces 452-459 HP / 322-330 TQ. Have you seen anything better out there?
    HP numbers are higher than the torque because its a high revving engine .. the TTRS 2.5 Engine is also forced induction engine .. the RS5 has a Naturally Aspirated Motor.. you are comparing apples to oranges
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    Quote Originally Posted by doug97gxe View Post
    HP numbers are higher than the torque because its a high revving engine .. the TTRS 2.5 Engine is also forced induction engine .. the RS5 has a Naturally Aspirated Motor.. you are comparing apples to oranges
    100% True! But still, big delta between hps and torque for a V8.

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    The best you can do on a sensible budget is to improve the breathing. The Eventuri intake combined with a good free flowing exhaust will see an improvement in torque that is noticeable when you put your foot down from low revs.

    If you want to spend more then look at the Kline headers which remove the catalyst from the scavenge area (bare in mind this is an engine drop job) these will free up the bottom end even more and combined with a quality ECU map is as far as you can take it before you start looking at forced induction.

    A supercharger kit may become a reality if enough people show interest, that will transform the car into the car it should have been from the factory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deiniel View Post
    100% True! But still, big delta between hps and torque for a V8.
    only feels that way because it rev's higher .. think of the Honda S2000
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo31 View Post
    Answer is no. Been discussed an infinite number of times. Just keep it above 5000 rpm or so.
    The engine is above 230lb ft at 3000rpm and climbs to approx 310lb ft peak at 6500rpm where it starts to tail off to 280lb ft at 8250rpm redline.

    Ita not a bad spread of torque for an NA engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deiniel View Post
    100% True! But still, big delta between hps and torque for a V8.
    The high rpm, high performance engine design comes from motorsport. There are three ways to increase power output in an engine. The cylinder capacity can be increased, or turbo/superchargers can be fitted. Both of these increase weight and demand space. The third approach is to design the engine to run at very high rpms. That's what the RS5 engine is about and many other high-performance engines found in Ferraris, Lambos, the R8 and in motorsport such as Formula 1. The BMW M cars were the same, before they went turbo charged. There's nothing strange about the torque numbers vs. HP numbers for this engine. This engine delivers linear power the more you get on the throttle. If you don't like winding out an engine to make power, then this is not the engine design for you. One of the benefits of a high-revving engine is that you can stay longer in a lower gear. The RS5 makes peak torque at 4000rpm and has a 4000 rpm powerband. If you want to tear up the roads, just keep the engine between 4000 and redline. The torque is fairly flat above 4000 and the HP just keeps climbing linearly all the way to redline. It pulls like a freight train up there. Here's the torque/HP curve for reference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superswiss View Post
    The high rpm, high performance engine design comes from motorsport. There are three ways to increase power output in an engine. The cylinder capacity can be increased, or turbo/superchargers can be fitted. Both of these increase weight and demand space. The third approach is to design the engine to run at very high rpms. That's what the RS5 engine is about and many other high-performance engines found in Ferraris, Lambos, the R8 and in motorsport such as Formula 1. The BMW M cars were the same, before they went turbo charged. There's nothing strange about the torque numbers vs. HP numbers for this engine. This engine delivers linear power the more you get on the throttle. If you don't like winding out an engine to make power, then this is not the engine design for you. One of the benefits of a high-revving engine is that you can stay longer in a lower gear. The RS5 makes peak torque at 4000rpm and has a 4000 rpm powerband. If you want to tear up the roads, just keep the engine between 4000 and redline. The torque is fairly flat above 4000 and the HP just keeps climbing linearly all the way to redline. It pulls like a freight train up there. Here's the torque/HP curve for reference.

    Thanks! Please, don't get me wrong, I recognize this engine is great piece of engineering. Just wanted to know if there's some mod that can bring up the torque. I currently have a Stage 2 TTRS 5 Cylinder with 450 ft/lb of torque. I know they are very different cars and engines. Thank you all for the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deiniel View Post
    Thanks! Please, don't get me wrong, I recognize this engine is great piece of engineering. Just wanted to know if there's some mod that can bring up the torque. I currently have a Stage 2 TTRS 5 Cylinder with 450 ft/lb of torque. I know they are very different cars and engines. Thank you all for the info!
    Yeah, being an NA engine, there isn't much. As has been said, you can improve the breathing to squeeze out a few more lb-ft and then there is that APR ECU tune, which supposedly squeezes out a few more, but that's about it. Short of retrofitting a super or turbo charger, there isn't much to be had.
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    When is added a non-resonated cat-back exhaust, it increased torque slightly at lower rpms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deiniel View Post
    100% True! But still, big delta between hps and torque for a V8.
    The delta is large in the case of the RS because it's a high-revving, low displacement engine.

    Assume a car has a flat torque curve. The higher the engine revs, the more horsepower it will make. Most (many) V8s have a lot of displacement, and do not rev very high, and thus do not have much of a delta. The RS is the opposite.

    As superswiss said, the only real way to significantly increase torque is by increasing the displacement or adding forced induction. You could likely pick up a bit with a custom tune and exhaust (headers and all) but it's just not worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superswiss View Post
    Yeah, being an NA engine, there isn't much. As has been said, you can improve the breathing to squeeze out a few more lb-ft and then there is that APR ECU tune, which supposedly squeezes out a few more, but that's about it. Short of retrofitting a super or turbo charger, there isn't much to be had.
    Kline headers can improve the torque by 20% which is pretty impressive but of course costs alot of $$$$$.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HamadAJ View Post
    Kline headers can improve the torque by 20% which is pretty impressive but of course costs alot of $$$$$.
    between the headers, the engine drop and a custom tune, your looking at like 7k easy. thats with Kline headers, custom tune work and labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HamadAJ View Post
    Kline headers can improve the torque by 20% which is pretty impressive but of course costs alot of $$$$$.
    20%??? Thats like 63 tq. Are you sure about that number?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deiniel View Post
    20%??? Thats like 63 tq. Are you sure about that number?
    Im not 100% sure, but thats what the representative from kline assured me. I wouldn't be surprised though, if you take a look at the stock manifolds, they are small and stunted with a huge catalytic converter right behind it. That pretty much suffocates the flow.
    This is the OEM headers, pretty ain't it ;)


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    Yep... OEM are horrible. Kline looks great. 63+ torque is great achievement. Still pricey $$$.

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    63 HP on headers? wtf.....how
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    How much tq increase? It's its almost the same sign me up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrissurfr View Post
    63 HP on headers? wtf.....how
    A completely free flowing exhaust = great power, especially when the stock header suck. it might be even possible to breakin the 500hp range if you combine eventuri intake+kline header+cat-back+ ecu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mops@SupremePower View Post
    So much +1 on lightweight wheels. I've offered 20x10 G25 that come in 10lbs per less than OEM. HUGE... @swoardrider
    wuuut is a g25? I love the CHR but dropping another 8 pounds might be kinda nice
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    When compared to the Mustang flat plane V8, the Audi makes 6hp more and 6.5 lbs ft less per liter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrissurfr View Post
    wuuut is a g25? I love the CHR but dropping another 8 pounds might be kinda nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mops@SupremePower View Post
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    I am completely happy with this engine and its linear throttle response. However, I would love to see the results of adding a cold air intake, Klein headers and a free-flowing exhaust. I don't think 500hp is unattainable but would be quite expensive. As others have noted, a set of lightweight wheels will provide immediate noticeable performance.
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    is there a dyno sheet of the kline headers?

    that really is a huge claim they are making....
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    dyno of headers....100 torque increase? um
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrissurfr View Post
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/88568720@N08/14040788146


    dyno of headers....100 torque increase? um
    Is this just the headers or was it Marz car in Australia when he fitted the headers and a supercharger?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrissurfr View Post
    dyno of headers....100 torque increase? um
    Here's another one, more apples-to apples IMO. This shows a peak gain of 25-30 ft-lbs from the headers, which seems possible.

    Keep in mind the graph shown in newton-meters.

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    It actually shows nothing at all, my standard car on standard air box was making 410Nm so I'm confused what that graph above is telling us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesRS5 View Post
    Is this just the headers or was it Marz car in Australia when he fitted the headers and a supercharger?
    This was before he got the supercharger and blew the car up lol
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