BMW 335i just Murdered me on the highway

**coloradom3** · 09-11-2015 11:17 PM

Writing this with tail between legs...

So a BMW 335i , best guess was a 2007, pulled up to me on the highway tonight and insisted on giving it a go. So we got up to about 50mph roll and after three honks this car was gone! Was a damn rocket ship! Idk if not being in sport/dynamic had anything to do with it, probably not based off how fast this dude took out. . I let up after just a few seconds, there was no catching him. Should have kept on my marry way and went home hahaha. Car appeared stock with the exception of exhaust but not sure what was going on under the hood...

Hoping for some empathy from my AZ family, and a rub on the back and a kiss on the forehead..Tell me it's going to be ok...

**dave96gt** · 09-11-2015 11:26 PM

Crap... with stage 2+ also.... it seems like we're starting to hear more of these (surprisingly) fast 335's.

**LINDW4LL** · 09-11-2015 11:28 PM

The 335i has silly power potential with simple bolt ons while retaining the stock turbo (or turbos, depending on year).

No need to feel sad

**landfill** · 09-11-2015 11:37 PM

Yea the n54 is capable of 450rwhp+ on the stock twins.
Really quick cars for what they are. I think the b8 will
only be a good competitor once someone produces a
stage 3 kit with a bigger blower.

**coloradom3** · 09-11-2015 11:59 PM

Talk about a sleeper....

I was unaware some come with twin turbos

**sturte30** · 09-12-2015 01:16 AM

Coming from owning a '08 335i, don't feel bad. With just bolt ons they are very fast. I just had an intake, tune, and exhaust and was making around 375rwhp. My buddy has a an '07 with an intake, downpipes, and full e85 setup/ tune and he makes somewhere around to 480-500rwhp with stock turbos and stock exhaust (other than DPs). A modded S4 can hang with them from a dig (depending how long you stretch it out) but from a roll they pull like a freight train. That said more and more of the modded 335i xdrive cars are showing up so digs aren't safe anymore either :)

**HeymyAudi** · 09-12-2015 04:59 AM

Coming from a 335i myself.. I can tell you those things are ROCKET SHIPS!... But I wasn't a fan of the maintenance and the bothersome fuel pump issues (replaced 3 myself).. Even a JB4 with full bolt-ons is a fun fast car... But I rather the smoothness of my S4 anyday..

**doug97gxe** · 09-12-2015 05:08 AM

he set u up good

**Sceanzo** · 09-12-2015 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by HeymyA4

Coming from a 335i myself.. I can tell you those things are ROCKET SHIPS!... But I wasn't a fan of the maintenance and the bothersome fuel pump issues (replaced 3 myself).. Even a JB4 with full bolt-ons is a fun fast car... But I rather the smoothness of my S4 anyday..

I hear this a lot. I came from a Lexus to the Audi. So many people on the Lexus forum came from a 335 and said they were so tired of maintenance and repairs.

**blbroo** · 09-12-2015 05:32 AM

Originally Posted by HeymyA4

Coming from a 335i myself.. I can tell you those things are ROCKET SHIPS!... But I wasn't a fan of the maintenance and the bothersome fuel pump issues (replaced 3 myself).. Even a JB4 with full bolt-ons is a fun fast car... But I rather the smoothness of my S4 anyday..

Do you think those issues continued after the n55 engine and switch to twin scroll? The more I mod my A4, the more my fiance moves from being 100% in love with her nearly self driving plush sofa of an car (M35X) to noticing aggressive looking sedans and talking about "when I trade my car". She even wanted to go drive an STI the other day. She notices 335s and Lexus Fs the most and I am thinking of pointing her towards a 335 xdrive 2011 year and above, then tuning it. I just don't want to get into something that is gonna be constant headaches, even with CPO.

**Drunktank** · 09-12-2015 05:52 AM

I promised myself I'll never own another BMW again. The way to approach owning a BMW is that, don't think about saving money after you've paid it off. Prepare to keep putting the same amount of money aside each month to keep it running. BMW, The Ultimate Repair Bill.

**pdqgp** · 09-12-2015 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by dave96gt

Crap... with stage 2+ also.... it seems like we're starting to hear more of these (surprisingly) fast 335's.

They've been sleepers since day one. The aftermarket for them is strong.

Originally Posted by sturte30

Coming from owning a '08 335i, don't feel bad. With just bolt ons they are very fast. I just had an intake, tune, and exhaust and was making around 375rwhp. My buddy has a an '07 with an intake, downpipes, and full e85 setup/ tune and he makes somewhere around to 480-500rwhp with stock turbos and stock exhaust (other than DPs). A modded S4 can hang with them from a dig (depending how long you stretch it out) but from a roll they pull like a freight train. That said more and more of the modded 335i xdrive cars are showing up so digs aren't safe anymore either :)

^^ This. Again, strong aftermarket and overall the potential with turbo's has always been great. Better than SC'ers in street cars.

We have a number of low to mid 11 second daily driver 335's in my area. Cars and Coffee is filled with them.

**demonmk2** · 09-12-2015 05:58 AM

There's always gonna be someone( car ) faster

**hodrosS42001** · 09-12-2015 06:08 AM

The N54 in stock form with bolt ons is a great highway racer. It has a much higher peaking and broader torque curve than a B8 S4. Similar to the B5 S4 it makes a ton of torque throughout the rpm range and that really matters in a roll race.

The turbochargers on the N54 are not very large, basically 2.7T K04 size.. And they dont flow very well either. They are good 450bhp turbos. The difference is that with the 3.0L, direct injection and the fact the engine is a I6 with good gas (racegas) or meth or especially e85 they can run a ridiculous amount of timing and reach MBT very easily.

The dyno numbers are a little suspect, as BMW owners love dynojets.. But they will make more than 400whp on meth/e85 on a Mustang pushed hard. But on pump they are way more tame.

Either way it's a great engine in stock form. They would truly be animals if they had a Dct.

Edit: if you are racing a 335 N54 and you're stage 2.. Start r in whatever gear allows you to begin at 5000rpm+ if you're a Dsg and you know you have them on the shift. If you both start 3-4k their torque will have them in front and they will stay there. Learned from experience :)

**MrFunk** · 09-12-2015 06:18 AM

All good. The 335 is a direct competitor to the S4 so win some loose some. Straight-line speed ain't everything... the S4 is still sexier

inside and out

**Loe** · 09-12-2015 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by hodrosS42001

The N54 in stock form with bolt ons is a great highway racer. It has a much higher peaking and broader torque curve than a B8 S4. Similar to the B5 S4 it makes a ton of torque throughout the rpm range and that really matters in a roll race.

The turbochargers on the N54 are not very large, basically 2.7T K04 size.. And they dont flow very well either. They are good 450bhp turbos. The difference is that with the 3.0L, direct injection and the fact the engine is a I6 with good gas (racegas) or meth or especially e85 they can run a ridiculous amount of timing and reach MBT very easily.

The dyno numbers are a little suspect, as BMW owners love dynojets.. But they will make more than 400whp on meth/e85 on a Mustang pushed hard. But on pump they are way more tame.

Either way it's a great engine in stock form. They would truly be animals if they had a Dct.

Edit: if you are racing a 335 N54 and you're stage 2.. Start r in whatever gear allows you to begin at 5000rpm+ if you're a Dsg and you know you have them on the shift. If you both start 3-4k their torque will have them in front and they will stay there. Learned from experience :)

450bhp? that was back in 2008 :) Now the world records are 500+whp http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29669 ...I also recall reading about one with upgraded/larger diameter turbo inlet pipes that were in the 520whp area, but I can't find the article anymore. Basically, they have potential even with stock turbo's. Upgraded turbo's are 600+ whp (I recall the record being somewhere above 720rwhp). They are definitely putting down power, here is a stock turbo FBO one running with a 625hp S/C E90 M3 top-end http://www.bimmerboost.com/content.p...6MT-E90-M3-S65

I put down 435rwhp with a Jb4 G5 ISO board, BMS back-end flash, 50% ethanol + 93 octane, dual-cone intakes, and intercooler. That was back before the platform just exploded with aftermarket stuff such as upgraded fueling and intake plumbing items and more aggressive flashes with straight E85, boost curves, and upgraded MAP sensors.

**bknewtype** · 09-12-2015 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by Agedog2gt

Talk about a sleeper....

I was unaware some come with twin turbos

early 335's came with TT, the later switched to twin scroll single, at least that's what i was told. not a huge bmw fan so never really researched

**s4buckeye** · 09-12-2015 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by demonmk2

There's always gonna be someone( car ) faster

no

**doug97gxe** · 09-12-2015 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by s4buckeye

no

turbo busa

**ModdedEuros** · 09-12-2015 07:29 AM

N54's haul ass with just a few mods. They def are a quick and fun car to mod. Just have to watch out for certain years of that N54 are not ideal

**s4buckeye** · 09-12-2015 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by doug97gxe

turbo busa

lol bro, that's a bike. he said "There's always gonna be someone ( car ) faster"

busa rulz tho.

**Cartoon** · 09-12-2015 07:36 AM

I have a 2014 DSG with intake and CW and also have a 2009 335i coupe (n54 twin turbo) running just a roc euro intake and MHD stage 1 tune. The 335i pulls like freight train compared to the S4. The MHD tune was about $150.

**demonmk2** · 09-12-2015 07:44 AM

That would depend on who could drive it that fast

**jokingjimmy** · 09-12-2015 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by doug97gxe

he set u up good

This. Did you get a chance to find out his mods? My guess is he had enough to know for sure he had you. Our cars win from start due to traction, but not necessarily from 50mph rolling.

I'm curious how the new Magnuson stage 3 setup will do.

**HeymyAudi** · 09-12-2015 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by blbroo

Do you think those issues continued after the n55 engine and switch to twin scroll? The more I mod my A4, the more my fiance moves from being 100% in love with her nearly self driving plush sofa of an car (M35X) to noticing aggressive looking sedans and talking about "when I trade my car". She even wanted to go drive an STI the other day. She notices 335s and Lexus Fs the most and I am thinking of pointing her towards a 335 xdrive 2011 year and above, then tuning it. I just don't want to get into something that is gonna be constant headaches, even with CPO.

The early N55's had the fuel pump issues but then BMW fixed the issue in the later years from what I read up on... I was going to buy a 435i M Sport (N55) but one the price was stupid and I needed an AWD... still a nice and very fast car.. But there is nothing like the Audi from the interior down. Truthfully If I ever get another BMW I will be leasing it and turning it in once the lease is up.

**Loe** · 09-12-2015 08:12 AM

fuel pump issues have been updated since, plus BMW extended the warranty on the fuel pump itself to 10 years/120,000 miles on the N54. Fuel pump issues have since gotten smaller with the updated versions, so it really isn't a big deal anymore like is was in 2007.

**Colozeus** · 09-12-2015 08:16 AM

Yeah, a tuned 335 might be faster, but our cars are nicer. A buddy of mine recently stepped into my car and commented on how much better the interior in my car is compared to his friends fully loaded 340.

**coloradom3** · 09-12-2015 08:16 AM

Not gonna lie, I came home a started looking at stage 3

Hahahaha

**doug97gxe** · 09-12-2015 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Agedog2gt

Not gonna lie, I came home a started looking at stage 3

Hahahaha

Don't let that be your reason then u will run into an upgraded turbo 335 .. If they have those and it will never end

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**S4 00 2.7** · 09-12-2015 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Agedog2gt

Talk about a sleeper....

I was unaware some come with twin turbos

most S4s would lose to a 335 w/ N54 so don't feel bad.

**coloradom3** · 09-12-2015 09:26 AM

Still wouldn't have beat him with the Stage 3 numbers

**blbroo** · 09-12-2015 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by HeymyA4

The early N55's had the fuel pump issues but then BMW fixed the issue in the later years from what I read up on... I was going to buy a 435i M Sport (N55) but one the price was stupid and I needed an AWD... still a nice and very fast car.. But there is nothing like the Audi from the interior down. Truthfully If I ever get another BMW I will be leasing it and turning it in once the lease is up.

Thank you. Coincidentally, she just asked me where the 335 that I showed her pics of the other day is. Going to drive it now and taking the Infiniti...

Looks like I'm gonna be needing an EFR to keep pace.

**4RCFED** · 09-12-2015 09:34 AM

He was probably tuned on E85 since its readily available here in Denver and the surrounding area. I'd be curious to see a stage 2 E85 S4 run with the same car.

**coloradom3** · 09-12-2015 10:00 AM

I live in Pueblo and we too have E85 stations around town so it was quite possible that was the situation.

Thx for the condolences all my AZ fam haha

Originally Posted by S4 00 2.7

most S4s would lose to a 335 w/ N54 so don't feel bad.

Originally Posted by 4RCFED

He was probably tuned on E85 since its readily available here in Denver and the surrounding area. I'd be curious to see a stage 2 E85 S4 run with the same car.

**pooker** · 09-12-2015 11:56 AM

I enjoy the 335's and the n54's are beasts and cheap to mod. I found the s4 to be a better all around car for daily driving , track, and speed. The 335is with DCT is still a favorite for me

**infinkc** · 09-12-2015 12:01 PM

Yea the 335 is a beast, I almost bought one as a second car. Watch out for the 135i's! Those are crazy since the body is so much lighter.

**MaX PL** · 09-12-2015 12:02 PM

I can't wait to murder a S4 with my F80 one of these days, but I rarely see them around here.

**HeymyAudi** · 09-12-2015 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by blbroo

Thank you. Coincidentally, she just asked me where the 335 that I showed her pics of the other day is. Going to drive it now and taking the Infiniti...

Looks like I'm gonna be needing an EFR to keep pace.

INFINITI??!!!! LOOK AT MY SIG!!! DONT GET THAT CRAP!! I would get a BMW over the Infiniti anyday!

**TrekMTB87** · 09-12-2015 12:12 PM

Even if the power ceiling is higher I still think the 335 guys are envious of our S4's, I've had my car up for sale for a few months now and had 4 offers from guys with 335i's asking to trade.