What is the difference between Stage 2 and Stage 2+?

**Rez90** · 09-09-2015 06:08 AM

Inquiring minds want to know.....

**aka5** · 09-09-2015 06:21 AM

Stage II+ includes the DSG tune

**pdqgp** · 09-09-2015 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by aka5

Stage II+ includes the DSG tune

^^ this. Not sure if it's officially what it's called but that's what I call mine

**PitchS4** · 09-09-2015 06:39 AM

Wait, really? So no 6MT can be Stage 2+? That is retarded.

It is cooling and/or DPs...at least I thought.

**schirm** · 09-09-2015 06:43 AM

I do not think it is a DSG tune. I thought there was no difference. Really people put 2+ when they have more then just a tune and intake pulley. I guess I should take the + off my sig, I never knew the difference, but I do know people were saying 2+ before there was DSG tunes.

**PitchS4** · 09-09-2015 06:49 AM

The transmission should have nothing to do with it. It should be what impacts performance of the power output over the rev band.

Stage 1 - Tune
Stage 2 - Tune and pulley
Stage 2+ - Add cooling and/or headers
Stage 3 - New blower
Stage 3+ - New blower plus cooling and/or headers

**grovlet** · 09-09-2015 06:50 AM

I would guess it requires any additional performance mods like an upgraded Cooling System for the Charger or Downpipes. Maybe exhaust or Intake could be considered - although I would think that would be stage 1+ or even part of Stage 1..........

**aka5** · 09-09-2015 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by PitchS4

The transmission should have nothing to do with it. DSG tune has nothing to do with the power over the rev band.

Stage 1 - Tune
Stage 2 - Tune and pulley
Stage 2+ - Add cooling and/or DPs
Stage 3 - New blower
Stage 3+ - New blower plus cooling and/or DPs

how does adding DP's have anything to do with power?

**PitchS4** · 09-09-2015 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by aka5

how does adding DP's have anything to do with power?

I mean high flow cats or removing them all together so I guess that is headers for us. I was thinking more from the B5 where piggies (removing the precats) or DPs was Stage 2+. In my head the "DPs" that come with most B8 exhausts don't have cats so that is till part of a "cat-back" exhaust.

Edited above

**grovlet** · 09-09-2015 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by PitchS4

The transmission should have nothing to do with it. It should be what impacts performance of the power output over the rev band.

Stage 1 - Tune
Stage 2 - Tune and pulley
Stage 2+ - Add cooling and/or DPs
Stage 3 - New blower
Stage 3+ - New blower plus cooling and/or DPs

Now the question is where does Intake and/or Exhaust fit into the mix? Stage 1+? or required for Stage2+?

Supposedly Intake wil give you a performance gain, but Exhaust is almost 100% just sound - but at some point Exhaust is required right?

**q5 dave** · 09-09-2015 07:07 AM

I think of it as Stage+ assumes 93 octane, where as just stage# is 91oct

**AnotherJake** · 09-09-2015 07:08 AM

Stage 2+ is the extra stuff helping to aid your Stage 2 perform better. I have a Stage 2....PLUS extra cooling, intake, and exhaust.

**schirm** · 09-09-2015 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by AnotherJake

Stage 2+ is the extra stuff helping to aid your Stage 2 perform better. I have a Stage 2....PLUS extra cooling, intake, and exhaust.

^^ This

**JohnEnglish** · 09-09-2015 08:12 AM

It means what ever you want. "Stages" are completely arbitrary.

**LINDW4LL** · 09-09-2015 08:15 AM

Lots of misinformation here.

Stage 2 and Stage 2+ are the same thing.

APR originally called the software/pulley upgrade "Stage 2+", but has now reverted to calling it stage 2 in most of their posts and marketing material. The "+" was pointless.

**chaos2984** · 09-09-2015 08:16 AM

if that is stage 2+ then what is stage 2-1+2 = x? solve for X

**Rez90** · 09-09-2015 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by chaos2984

if that is stage 2+ then what is stage 2-1+2 = x? solve for X

makes cents.

**jran76** · 09-09-2015 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by LINDW4LL

Lots of misinformation here.

Stage 2 and Stage 2+ are the same thing.

APR originally called the software/pulley upgrade "Stage 2+", but has now reverted to calling it stage 2 in most of their posts and marketing material. The "+" was pointless.

This. Different tuners have used different nomenclature that is pretty arbitrary. APR called in stage 2+, Revo called it 1+, GIAC called it stage 2, APR now calls it stage 2....

As a general definition, stage 1 is a tune with no pulley upgrade, stage 2 is a tune with a pulley upgrade, and stage 3 is a tune with supercharger upgrade.

A lot of times the "+" was used to indicate additional modifications at each particular level. Headers/test pipes would maybe account for that change (cooling, exhaust, intake would not in my book, but hey, that's up to you since it's so arbitrary to begin with).