Tiptronic Wiring Diagram? - Want to reverse manual shifting direction!

[knightmare]

My last car was an E46 M3 with the SMG transmission. The shifter worked by pushing forward to downshift and pulling back to upshift.

My A4 is the reverse of that and it's driving me crazy. I know it's just a button, a digital interface, so all I gotta do is reverse the wiring to make it work the way I want. Problem is, I don't know which wires do what.

Anyone able to tell me?

[The Infiltrator]

Why the hell would you do this!?!?

[knightmare]

Why the hell would you do this!?!?

Pretty sure I already answered that...

"My last car was an E46 M3 with the SMG transmission. The shifter worked by pushing forward to downshift and pulling back to upshift."


Same reason people invert their analog stick when they pick up an xbox/PS controller.

[crash1121]

Welcome to Audi, where the shifters function properly.

Highly doubt there's anyone who has done this, so good luck.

[The Infiltrator]

Pretty sure I already answered that...

"My last car was an E46 M3 with the SMG transmission. The shifter worked by pushing forward to downshift and pulling back to upshift."


Same reason people invert their analog stick when they pick up an xbox/PS controller.

It was more of a statement! As in a dumb idea!

[alldubdee]

...I know it's just a button, a digital interface, so all I gotta do is reverse the wiring to make it work the way I want...

Anyone able to tell me?

If you know anything about our cars, the electronics are generally anything but simple.

[blbroo]

Seems like a race car thing, from what I am reading. They are set up with pull to upshift to vs pushing against g-forces when accelerating. Prob not gonna have that much trouble from Gs in the A4.

[LINDW4LL]

Welcome to Audi, where the shifters function properly.

Audi's setup has always seemed backwards to me, too. All sequential shifters in racecars that I've seen work the opposite way, as BMW has it setup; push up for downshift, pull for upshift.

When you're braking hard or decelerating you're thrown forward, and thus pushing up (or forward) to downshift makes sense. Likewise, during acceleration when you are thrown back, pulling down/back makes the most sense. To me, anyway.

But I suppose you can justify Audi's methodology as well. For most casual drivers, up for upshift and down for downshift probably is easiest to remember.

[knightmare]

It was more of a statement! As in a dumb idea!

That's your opinion, which doesn't help, so pointless to post it.

[knightmare]

I'm not complaining about the default set up, I would just prefer to switch it.

Don't like it? Don't drive my car, simple.

[hyperunion]

Oh boy...forums are for opinions.. And there you have them.... To my knowledge Porsche's older tiptronics were the same as audi's .. Same operations...

[LINDW4LL]

I was just about to comment on Porsche... It's funny. They had their PDK (and priors Tiptronic) shifter going the "wrong" way for years, just like Audi.

They finally came to their senses a few years ago and reversed it. Current is so much more intuitive when doing spirited driving. You can defend Audi's shift direction in the A4, but in high level sports cars it was completely ridiculous to have it going the incorrect way.

"To grab the next gear, you can pull one of the steering-column paddles, which feel heftier than those of a regular 911. Or, if you're in the middle of a turn, sideways and arms crossed up, you'll want to use the console shifter, because the paddles aren't fixed to the steering column. And there's even more good news: By reversing the shift pattern, Porsche has finally admitted—without actually admitting anything—that its Tiptronic (torque-converter automatic) and PDK (dual-clutch) shift levers have been backward for years. The GT3's lever now operates like a sequential race 'box, with a push forward for a downshift and a pull for an upshift. "

[?uestion]

I'm not complaining about the default set up, I would just prefer to switch it.

Don't like it? Don't drive my car, simple.

You will have to forgive some of these members. Bolt ons and ecu flashes are the tech limit for most of them. What do you expect from someone who lists weathertech and a shift knob as a mod.


Back on topic
I believe you might find what you are looking for on this site: http://erwin.audiusa.com
You should be able to find a schematic for the shifter wiring. I bet it will be as simple as moving some pins around.

Post pics if you find out how to do it!

[knightmare]

Oh boy...forums are for opinions.. And there you have them.... To my knowledge Porsche's older tiptronics were the same as audi's .. Same operations...

Really? Seems to make more sense for them to be for helping people with DIY guides and such, unless an opinion is asked for.

Here I was clearly looking for the former. Anything else is just petty/annoying. And obviously so.

[blbroo]

[knightmare]

Rock on LINDW4LL

And thank you ?uestion. :)

[knightmare]

Actually, I might be able to just use my volt-meter to test the pins and find which ones create a closed circuit when I push the lever forward vs back....that will give me the wires I need to swap. :)

I'll do that ASAP and post back my findings as I'm sure others would like to know as well. (believe it or not) lol

[donger]

I don't know why this is judged or seen as frivolous. I see threads where people are EXCITED to have coded their gauge needles to sweep on start. hahaha
This would actually affect driving operation/habit to some degree.
Sounds like fun. Good luck.
I'd be interested in seeing how this goes. I'm no race car driver and my avant is no race car but I would love to pretend on those occasions when i do step on it. hahah.

[knightmare]

I don't know why this is judged or seen as frivolous. I see threads where people are EXCITED to have coded their gauge needles to sweep on start. hahaha
This would actually affect driving operation/habit to some degree.
Sounds like fun. Good luck.
I'd be interested in seeing how this goes. I'm no race car driver and my avant is no race car but I would love to pretend on those occasions when i do step on it. hahah.

Right on man.

And I did the needle sweep...wasn't EXCITED, but it is a slick touch. :)

[trj]

I get where OP is coming from. After driving e46 for 6 years, the hand has a muscle memory that has a tendency to pull the lever towards you and then pull down vs back. I get annoyed by it eveytime I get into b7. I need to switch the shift pattern as well so it's consistent in both cars.
In e46, you could just switch the wires. I am pretty sure you can just switch the wires on b8 too. If the connections are on printed circuit board then it will be a but tough.

[crash1121]

I was just about to comment on Porsche... It's funny. They had their PDK (and priors Tiptronic) shifter going the "wrong" way for years, just like Audi.

They finally came to their senses a few years ago and reversed it. Current is so much more intuitive when doing spirited driving. You can defend Audi's shift direction in the A4, but in high level sports cars it was completely ridiculous to have it going the incorrect way.

To comment on Porsche again, their shifters use the same, traditional direction as Audi on the 911 Turbo & Turbo S models for 2015... Although, it seems to be inverted on the GT3.

[LINDW4LL]

To comment on Porsche again, their shifters use the same, traditional direction as Audi on the 911 Turbo & Turbo S models for 2015... Although, it seems to be inverted on the GT3.

The rest of the models will be changed for 991.2 facelift to follow the GT3.

Here is a "spy shot" of a .2 turbo where you can see they've changed it.

[crash1121]

The rest of the models will be changed for 991.2 facelift to follow the GT3.

Here is a "spy shot" of a .2 turbo where you can see they've changed it.

We'll only know for sure when it's officially released.

[knightmare]

I get where OP is coming from. After driving e46 for 6 years, the hand has a muscle memory that has a tendency to pull the lever towards you and then pull down vs back. I get annoyed by it eveytime I get into b7. I need to switch the shift pattern as well so it's consistent in both cars.
In e46, you could just switch the wires. I am pretty sure you can just switch the wires on b8 too. If the connections are on printed circuit board then it will be a but tough.

I think it's a single plug of like 10 wires going to the board, so can't just switch plugs, gotta find the wires and cut them.

I will know when I take it apart, but looking at tear down pics, that what it looks like.

[knightmare]

Sadly no luck searching with voltmeter for pin out, I think it talks directly to the computer to do the shifting (digital signal) not a couple wires running there for each manual shift direction. (analog)

It might be possible I'm sure to take apart the actual shift lever mechanism and perhaps re-arrange the soldering on the board or something, but that's beyond what I'm prepared to blindly tackle. Not to mention it's not easy to get into that mechanism from what I can tell. (removing it even, let alone opening it up and not messing up a bunch of springs or something, lol)

[pnbaudi]

Just did this on my 2007 a4 quattro 2.0t. Here's the link to a video. It's in German but if you follow it and do what it shows it worked for me. Also here is a picture of it done in my car.
https://youtu.be/DTI0XLuIDxU


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[luke.cottam]

Just did this on my 2007 a4 quattro 2.0t. Here's the link to a video. It's in German but if you follow it and do what it shows it worked for me. Also here is a picture of it done in my car.
https://youtu.be/DTI0XLuIDxU


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Does anyone know if this works on the b8 tiptronic?

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[pnbaudi]

Does anyone know if this works on the b8 tiptronic?

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You can pop it open and see if it looks the same. It may work for you.

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[petraman]

This drove me insane when I had a loaner A3 for a week... just didn't seem right.

[b6Hate4]

The only solution to this, is to really come to the conclusion that both opinions are wrong, and you need a manual transmission.

What a problem solver I am!

[Zach L]

I'm surprised Audi didn't see Porsche and follow suit in the B9 A4. It would surprise me if they don't change soon.

[Zach L]

The only solution to this, is to really come to the conclusion that both opinions are wrong, and you need a manual transmission.

x2

The only logical conclusion! :D

[Swoletonio]

The only solution to this, is to really come to the conclusion that both opinions are wrong, and you need a manual transmission.

What a problem solver I am!

Sounds about right lol


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