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    Specific question regarding OEM vs. ceramic brake pads

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    For anyone who has replaced their OEM brake pads with ceramic ones (specifically Wearever Gold or Akebono), did you install the ceramic pads in the front only and then swap the rear ceramics in at a later date, and if so did you notice an additional decrease in initial bite when pressing the brake pedal after swapping the rear pads? Or is the braking force biased enough toward the front that changing the rear pads would have no appreciable change in overall braking feel?

    EDIT: My current situation is that I have installed Wearever Gold pads in the front but left the rear OEM pads in place. I'm happy with the decreased dusting from the front pads on my matte finish wheels so I am considering also swapping the rears, but I'm curious if I will notice any additional reduction in initial bite when doing so.
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    I did all 4 at the same time.
    Yes initial bite is reduced.
    I'd suggest doing them all at the same time.

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    I suggest you get EBC RED STUFF do all 4 at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFunk View Post
    I did all 4 at the same time.
    Yes initial bite is reduced.
    I'd suggest doing them all at the same time.
    Quote Originally Posted by cNEGOTIATOR View Post
    I suggest you get EBC RED STUFF do all 4 at the same time.
    Sorry guys, I should have clarified in my original post (I have just edited it accordingly) - I have already installed the ceramic pads up front, but I am wondering if the initial bite will be further decreased by also switching out the rear pads.
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    I went with Akebono ceramics at the front and i was going to change the rears as well... after driving on the ceramics at the front and definitely feeling a significantly reduced initial bite i will leave my rears with the standard pads... I'm even thinking of going back to the OEMs pads at the front... I ran the Q5 calliper at the front and i think i rather have dusty wheels over the reduced initial bite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveYem View Post
    For anyone who has replaced their OEM brake pads with ceramic ones (specifically Wearever Gold or Akebono), did you install the ceramic pads in the front only and then swap the rear ceramics in at a later date, and if so did you notice an additional decrease in initial bite when pressing the brake pedal after swapping the rear pads? Or is the braking force biased enough toward the front that changing the rear pads would have no appreciable change in overall braking feel?

    EDIT: My current situation is that I have installed Wearever Gold pads in the front but left the rear OEM pads in place. I'm happy with the decreased dusting from the front pads on my matte finish wheels so I am considering also swapping the rears, but I'm curious if I will notice any additional reduction in initial bite when doing so.
    Dude.... Are you buying brake-pads at Advance Auto Parts?

    What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lensch09 View Post
    Dude.... Are you buying brake-pads at Advance Auto Parts?

    What?

    -DL
    I know it's weird, but a couple years ago some members here posted positive reviews about them and for ~$40 it was worth a try. I am actually pretty happy with them so far! And from what I can tell based on reviews, the reduced initial grab vs stock would be similar with the more expensive Akebono pads.
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    what are you doing changing pads on a MY2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maitre Absolut View Post
    what are you doing changing pads on a MY2015
    Another thing I was thinking..... :O
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    The reason for swapping out pads is not because they are worn but to reduce brake dust. The factory pads deliver quite a bit of brake dust.
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    Sorry for thread jack...
    Any thoughts on ceramic brakes that have OEM or better than OEM grab/bite AND have little to no dust?
    Best of both worlds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brother owl View Post
    sorry for thread jack...
    Any thoughts on ceramic brakes that have oem or better than oem grab/bite and have little to no dust?
    Best of both worlds?
    ebc red stuff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maitre Absolut View Post
    what are you doing changing pads on a MY2015
    Quote Originally Posted by Lensch09 View Post
    Another thing I was thinking..... :O
    -DL
    Quote Originally Posted by MVR 155 View Post
    The reason for swapping out pads is not because they are worn but to reduce brake dust. The factory pads deliver quite a bit of brake dust.
    MVR 155 is correct. The OEM brake dust accumulation on my aftermarket matte finish silver wheels was egregious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cNEGOTIATOR View Post
    ebc red stuff
    i've had ebc red stuff , they still give out as much dust as oem , i'd shy far away from them if you're comparing them to true ceramic compounds, since they're considered semi-ceramic (which should be relabled to mostly metallic and a little bit of ceramic)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirsycott View Post
    i've had ebc red stuff , they still give out as much dust as oem , i'd shy far away from them if you're comparing them to true ceramic compounds, since they're considered semi-ceramic (which should be relabled to mostly metallic and a little bit of ceramic)
    So you noticed dust but was it during daily driving, aggressive driving, or both?

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    I've run the red stuff pads on other cars.... while the dust level is not obscene it's certainly still there. A true ceramic pad has virtually no dust where the red stuff will still leave a moderate amount of dust.
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    Wait a minute. The 2015 pads are still too dusty? I thought Audi changed the pad formulation back in 2011 to be less dusty.
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    I swapped out all four corners for Akebono pads, mainly because I could no longer tolerate the OEM's extreme dusting (it even shows on my gunmetal wheels!). Plus I may be in the minority, but I did not like the strong initial bite of the OEM pads...too grabby. No complaints with the Akebono's so far. My wheels can go a month between washings and they still look clean. Performance-wise it's similar to OEM, minus the initial bite.
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    I installed Akebono Euro Ultra-Premium Ceramic Brake Pads (EUR1322 and EUR1018) and honestly couldn't be happier with the low brake dust they produce and the stopping power I have. I don't know if it's because at the same time, I also upgraded to StopTech Sport Drilled Rotors, StopTech Stainless Steel Brakes lines and also flushed and changed my brake fluid to Motul RBF600, but overall, everything about my braking feels fantastic! :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Owl View Post
    So you noticed dust but was it during daily driving, aggressive driving, or both?
    Both , including auto cross days, they didn't hold up very well in terms of dust
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirsycott View Post
    Both , including auto cross days, they didn't hold up very well in terms of dust
    Good to know thanks. Thinking of upgraded brakelines & fluid when time comes to use ceramics and still have better than OEM bite w/out dust for a reasonable cost. Can't swing BBK yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirsycott View Post
    i've had ebc red stuff , they still give out as much dust as oem , i'd shy far away from them if you're comparing them to true ceramic compounds, since they're considered semi-ceramic (which should be relabled to mostly metallic and a little bit of ceramic)
    Mine are amazing, definitely not as much dust as OEM ( for me ). But again, I only use them on the street. No squeal and also stop better than oem.

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