SQ5 0-60 & 1/4 Mile Times

[1FASTSQ5]

Has anyone timed either one of these with their SQ5? Besides from what the magazines claim?

[SQive]

I don't have a quarter-mile time, but I once got a 4.8-second, 0-60 mph time on a cool day last fall running about 98 octane. I get 5.0's with 93. Because I bought the extended warranty, mine is stock. You should be able to see consistent 5.0 times using launch control, 93 octane, and let it shift itself at red-line in manual mode.

[1FASTSQ5]

Thats a decent time actually... Sigh unfortunately we only have 91 here in California. I always use Chevron in all my cars but 91 is the best I can get... :(

Is the launch control mode actually launch control?

[LINDW4LL]

Is the launch control mode actually launch control?

I got into an argument with several people over the launch control before. IMO, it's not true launch control as it's just the torque converter going to it's stall speed and holding. Brake torquing essentially, like can be done on any torque converter-based automatic, ever. Possibly with a bit of advanced traction management worked in.

When I think of true launch control, I think of a clutch-based gearbox (whether single clutch or DSG). I'm not saying my opinion is correct, by the way. Just how I view it.

Does it help to effectively get off the line quicker? Certainly.

[Pepper SQ5]

^^^

Lol I remember the thread.

Is the launch control mode actually launch control?

Simple answer is no, the SQ5/Q5 does not have any form of LC.

[1FASTSQ5]

I got into an argument with several people over the launch control before. IMO, it's not true launch control as it's just the torque converter going to it's stall speed and holding. Brake torquing essentially, like can be done on any torque converter-based automatic, ever. Possibly with a bit of advanced traction management worked in.

When I think of true launch control, I think of a clutch-based gearbox (whether single clutch or DSG). I'm not saying my opinion is correct, by the way. Just how I view it.

Does it help to effectively get off the line quicker? Certainly.

That is what I also consider to be launch control. Holding your foot on the brake and the gas at the same time I do not, lol.

[Silverarrow240]

Simple answer is no, the SQ5/Q5 does not have any form of LC.

Oh, it has LC... The launch isn't much different but the gear changes will bang your head into the headrest... It's 100% different than sport mode. I'd be happy to show you!

Plus we have no launch counter... My buddy and I went balls deep into the Vagcom menus to find it, and it's no where to be found... Found it on the DSG S4 very easy...

[psiaddict85]

Oh, it has LC... The launch isn't much different but the gear changes will bang your head into the headrest... It's 100% different than sport mode. I'd be happy to show you!

Plus we have no launch counter... My buddy and I went balls deep into the Vagcom menus to find it, and it's no where to be found... Found it on the DSG S4 very easy...

Do share please!

[Silverarrow240]

Do share please!

In this order:

-Throw it in "S"
-Come to complete stop
-Turn off traction Control (ESP)
-Hold down brake almost to floor
-Wood the go pedal (revs go to ~2500 rpm)
-Let off brake


It will then jump off the line like when you floor it from a stop in sport mode, but at each redline it will bang a full throttle shift (feels like no clutch disengagement)... I'll get a video tonight... It's a blast.

[Pepper SQ5]

In this order:

-Throw it in "S"
-Come to complete stop
-Turn off traction Control (ESP)
-Hold down brake almost to floor
-Wood the go pedal (revs go to ~2500 rpm)
-Let off brake


It will then jump off the line like when you floor it from a stop in sport mode, but at each redline it will bang a full throttle shift (feels like no clutch disengagement)... I'll get a video tonight... It's a blast.

Still not LC. I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but you're just loading the torque converter.



Launch control S4.






Torque converter loading:

https://youtu.be/jNQAAsMswdk?t=1m



Notice in the second video that the rear starts to squat as it loads up the power? Well that doesn't happen on a car with LC.

[Silverarrow240]

L

Still not LC. I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but you're just loading the torque converter.



Launch control S4.






Torque converter loading:

https://youtu.be/jNQAAsMswdk?t=1m



Notice in the second video that the rear starts to squat as it loads up the power? Well that doesn't happen on a car with LC.

Gotcha, and no argument here.

But have you felt the total remapping of the shifting program "when loading the torque converter with the audi specified procedure" Does yours not bang your wife's head into the headrest from 1-2 and 2-3 because she had no idea it was coming? Great stuff... Really great stuff...

[davedc]

Still not LC. I really hate to be the bearer of bad news but you're just loading the torque converter.



Launch control S4.






Torque converter loading:

https://youtu.be/jNQAAsMswdk?t=1m



Notice in the second video that the rear starts to squat as it loads up the power? Well that doesn't happen on a car with LC.

i realize this is an absurd semantic argument BUT launch control does not need to be hooked to a dsg to be considered lc. if in fact the launch control program in the sq5 does more than load the tq converter - which it absolutely seems to do, ie change shift maps and tq management and perhaps loads the tq converter more than is allowed with gas and brake pedal - then it is in fact going to get you off the line better than is possible without the program (ie tq braking). thus, it is launch control.

frankly even if it was only loading tq converter thats not much different than LC on a 6 speed car doing something you can already do by dropping the clutch at an optimal point - or even perhaps on a dsg/smg/whatever automated manual slamming from N into D (assuming no computer prevention).

anyways i definitely agree that if the gearing is the same then a SQ5 would get off the line quicker with a dsg and its launch control vs with a zf 8 speed and its launch control

[Pepper SQ5]

i realize this is an absurd semantic argument BUT launch control does not need to be hooked to a dsg to be considered lc. if in fact the launch control program in the sq5 does more than load the tq converter - which it absolutely seems to do, ie change shift maps and tq management and perhaps loads the tq converter more than is allowed with gas and brake pedal - then it is in fact going to get you off the line better than is possible without the program (ie tq braking). thus, it is launch control.

frankly even if it was only loading tq converter thats not much different than LC on a 6 speed car doing something you can already do by dropping the clutch at an optimal point - or even perhaps on a dsg/smg/whatever automated manual slamming from N into D (assuming no computer prevention).

[Silverarrow240]

Lmao!

You've personified the essence of my marriage... For I am that bird!!!

[q5 dave]

So nobody has a 0-60 time?...


I'm surprised I haven't done this yet, now I have something to do tomorrow

[LINDW4LL]

So nobody has a 0-60 time?...


I'm surprised I haven't done this yet, now I have something to do tomorrow

Scottisha did it with his 3.0T. Got 6.0s stock (same as tested by APR), and 4.7s with stage 2. http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-0T-0-60-Times

You just have tune, no pulley- correct? I think you should be able to hit or crack the 5s mark in good conditions. Put it in manual mode and let it shift on it's own at redline.

[q5 dave]

Yup only software. Will do stock and tuned runs if i find a proper road. Might even try race gas if im feeling frisky lol

[Silverarrow240]

Yup only software. Will do stock and tuned runs if i find a proper road. Might even try race gas if im feeling frisky lol

Do it Dave!!! Do it!!! Better come to DC so I can help!!!

[1FASTSQ5]

Yup only software. Will do stock and tuned runs if i find a proper road. Might even try race gas if im feeling frisky lol

I am really looking forward to this.. Make sure to take some video footage of you in Mexico doing your runs!

[davedc]

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give up at what? you haven't made any coherent argument other than DURRR launch control on an s4 looks different!

[gk1]

Stock did 13.5@102mph in the quarter. Very close to a stock S4. It is too heavy and aerodynamically challenged though it still spanks a 5.0 stang. It weighed in at 4615 lbs. with me in it, only 10 lbs. lighter than the S6 which runs a 12.4@111mph.
Silverarrow is right about the very aggressive shift map when torque loading the start.

Based on 1/8th mile timings and online calculator the 0-60 mph would be 4.7s.

[Silverarrow240]

give up at what? you haven't made any coherent argument other than DURRR launch control on an s4 looks different!

Pepper has a point, and I see it. It's isnt LC in the sense of a DSG, which is where the term "launch control" came from. Even the A3 with the 2.0T launches harder out of the hole with a DSG.

And please no references to retard noises. My brother is special and it highly offends me. I'd hate to have to bring him 15 mins to DC and rip your arms off Master-Blaster style.

[Pepper SQ5]

give up at what? you haven't made any coherent argument other than DURRR launch control on an s4 looks different!

Dude seriously I don't know how else to make it clear to you... The Q5/SQ5 DOES NOT HAVE ANY FORM OF LC! If you still think it does, then my neighbors 94 Jeep Cherokee has the same "LC" that your high tech Q5 does... Get it? Loading the trans up in gear while stopped is not LC in any shape or form. Does it help get off the line better than just stomping on it, yes it does BUT it's not LC. You can keep telling everyone it has LC if it makes you feel better about it.

[q5 dave]

Internet war room in here lol. IDC if it's not a dsg my q5 still launches pretty well from a dig

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[Silverarrow240]

Dude seriously I don't know how else to make it clear to you... The Q5/SQ5 DOES NOT HAVE ANY FORM OF LC! If you still think it does, then my neighbors 94 Jeep Cherokee has the same "LC" that your high tech Q5 does... Get it? Loading the trans up in gear while stopped is not LC in any shape or form. Does it help get off the line better than just stomping on it, yes it does BUT it's not LC. You can keep telling everyone it has LC if it makes you feel better about it.

Don't worry Brother... I'll let you watch when I ride my brother to DC Master-Blaster Style and take care of this chump.



Edit... No malice or threats meant to anyone, nor shall I actually ride my brother to DC (even though I am not sure if he has Launch Control). For he is not retarded nor am I a midget who controls the power supply of Bartertown.

[dr.evil]

Bit of fuel...

Even though it isn't true LC, Audi still calls it Launch Control. So I guess everyone is right!

[q5 dave]

/thread.

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[Pepper SQ5]

/thread.

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Still just loading the torque converter, not a true LC.

[q5 dave]

Still just loading the torque converter, not a true LC.

Eh dont care, still works and im happy with it! Launch control smaunch control

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[andrios]

Anyone know how the Jeep SRT8 does LC? It has the same ZF 8speed as the Q5.

[BlackSVT]

Anyone know how the Jeep SRT8 does LC? It has the same ZF 8speed as the Q5.

This is where the confusion/argument comes in IMO -- Launch control in my book has always been a means to achieve max acceleration from a stop given whatever traction, tires, trans, weather, etc is present at the moment. Every parameter is biased to achieve that goal. All sensor inputs are input, numbers crunched, and throttle, trac control, etc is modulated for the "best" result out of the hole. I've seen it called "launch control" on manual, DSG, and auto cars.

It's just that simple on the SRT8. Is there something similar on the (S)Q5? I don't know. I don't notice much in the way of pure launch (0~10mph) difference following the steps described above, but there is a huge difference in trans shift speed when compared to D or S or just letting M shift at it's limit. So, SRT8 has launch control for best standing-start launch by definition. The Q5? hell if I know, but activating it sure speeds up and firms up shifts once you're already launched.

<Edit> Adding this tidbit: after the torque converter locks on the ZF8, it functions very much like a DSG: a single clutch grabs and a single clutch releases to get you from any gear to any gear -- no bands, no two-step clutching and stutters to get from gear to gear. It's actually a pretty cool spin loosely based on the original dual-clutch auto/DSG concept. ....not to stir that pot as well. just thought it interesting

and here's link to SRT for some info on their LC:http://www.drivesrt.com/news/2013/08...ty-jagoda.html

[LINDW4LL]

Anyone know how the Jeep SRT8 does LC? It has the same ZF 8speed as the Q5.

Same thing, it looks like. It's transmission has a high stall speed. But its adjustable on the SRT8, so brake torquing would take it up to the stall speed, but you can electronically adjust it down to 2,000 RPMs in 100rpm incriments- the ECU essentially sets a rev limit that is lower than the stall speed in that situation.

That 6.4 has so much torque that 3000rpm or whatever it is may cause excess wheel spin and a slower launch.

[q5 dave]

I am really looking forward to this.. Make sure to take some video footage of you in Mexico doing your runs!

Crap sorry just saw this.. never got around to doing it over this weekend. Was having too much fun on my other euro-motor(ktm 250F). I've got to get a good 0-60 app or something reliable and I'll give it a go

[davedc]

Pepper has a point, and I see it. It's isnt LC in the sense of a DSG, which is where the term "launch control" came from. Even the A3 with the 2.0T launches harder out of the hole with a DSG.

And please no references to retard noises. My brother is special and it highly offends me. I'd hate to have to bring him 15 mins to DC and rip your arms off Master-Blaster style.

WHOA LOOKS LIKE WEVE GOT AN INTERNET TOUGH GUY HERE




I'm glad you see your boyfriend Pepper's point - if you were capable of basic reading comprehension you'd see I noted there is a difference between LC in a DSG car and LC in auto BUT THEY ARE BOTH STILL LC.

Anyways, I live at 2nd and I NE. Please let me know whenever you'd like to "come rip my arms" off.

[davedc]

Dude seriously I don't know how else to make it clear to you... The Q5/SQ5 DOES NOT HAVE ANY FORM OF LC! If you still think it does, then my neighbors 94 Jeep Cherokee has the same "LC" that your high tech Q5 does... Get it? Loading the trans up in gear while stopped is not LC in any shape or form. Does it help get off the line better than just stomping on it, yes it does BUT it's not LC. You can keep telling everyone it has LC if it makes you feel better about it.

Please show me a definition of launch control which states it is limited to automated manuals. You won't be able to because it doesn't exist. The definition of launch control is an electronic aid which asissts a driver accelerate off the line. No more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_...8automotive%29

Launch control is an electronic aid to assist drivers of both racing and street cars to accelerate from a standing start.

Launch control operates by using an electronic accelerator and a computer program. The software controls acceleration based on engine specifications to make the car accelerate smoothly and as fast as possible, avoiding spinning of the drive wheels, engine failure due to over-revving, and clutch and gearbox problems. In racing cars, this feature is only available at the start of the race, when the car is stationary in the starting grid. After the car is running at a certain speed, the software is disabled.

That is different than torque braking manually. Whether said electronic aid torque brakes, engages an automated clutch at a certain rpm, reduces torque management, effectively line locks rear brakes, or allows for additional wheel slip OR ANY COMBINATION OF THESE is irrelevant. It is ALL launch control. Some forms may be quicker than others. That's it.

Sorry this has somehow been so offensive to you. You must be a joy at parties.

[davedc]

This is where the confusion/argument comes in IMO -- Launch control in my book has always been a means to achieve max acceleration from a stop given whatever traction, tires, trans, weather, etc is present at the moment. Every parameter is biased to achieve that goal. All sensor inputs are input, numbers crunched, and throttle, trac control, etc is modulated for the "best" result out of the hole. I've seen it called "launch control" on manual, DSG, and auto cars.

It's just that simple on the SRT8. Is there something similar on the (S)Q5? I don't know. I don't notice much in the way of pure launch (0~10mph) difference following the steps described above, but there is a huge difference in trans shift speed when compared to D or S or just letting M shift at it's limit. So, SRT8 has launch control for best standing-start launch by definition. The Q5? hell if I know, but activating it sure speeds up and firms up shifts once you're already launched.

<Edit> Adding this tidbit: after the torque converter locks on the ZF8, it functions very much like a DSG: a single clutch grabs and a single clutch releases to get you from any gear to any gear -- no bands, no two-step clutching and stutters to get from gear to gear. It's actually a pretty cool spin loosely based on the original dual-clutch auto/DSG concept. ....not to stir that pot as well. just thought it interesting

and here's link to SRT for some info on their LC:http://www.drivesrt.com/news/2013/08...ty-jagoda.html

x100.

Q: Is there a noticeable difference between how launch control functions on the automatic transmission versus the manual?

A: “The automatic transmission version is a little different, since you are missing one pedal in the car. The way you enter the mode is still the same. You’ll get the same messaging, straighten your wheel and make sure the car is on flat ground. It will also tell you to apply the throttle and put your foot on the brake. It’s looking for 30-bar brake pressure at the booster, that’s how it knows you are in a launch control event. By the way, 30 bars is not a lot of pressure. We wanted to keep it as low as possible just for robustness of this feature. You put your right foot on the accelerator and put it to the floor and it will rev to 1,825 rpm and hold your rpm right there. You’ll be two feet in on it, get your foot off the left pedal as fast as you can and the car goes.”

Pepper better go tell SRT and Ralph Gilles that he knows more about cars than they do and this isn't a "true LC".

[Silverarrow240]

WHOA LOOKS LIKE WEVE GOT AN INTERNET TOUGH GUY HERE




I'm glad you see your boyfriend Pepper's point - if you were capable of basic reading comprehension you'd see I noted there is a difference between LC in a DSG car and LC in auto BUT THEY ARE BOTH STILL LC.

Anyways, I live at 2nd and I NE. Please let me know whenever you'd like to "come rip my arms" off.

Just joking my man... All in fun. Did you not see my happy face or hilarious note below? I clearly lack the retard strength to rip your arms off (or anyone for that matter). I would definitely need some sort of contraption or a retarded brother to help me with the task.

No need to get all butt hurt sir. You certainly are an angry individual. Maybe you need a steak and blowie also Can;t we all just be happy in our Audi love and have a friendly debate? Have you not seen Mad Max Beyond the Thunder Dome? Things could be worse... There aren't any Audi's in Bartertown.

This thread needs to be put out of its misery!

[q5 dave]

WHOA LOOKS LIKE WEVE GOT AN INTERNET TOUGH GUY HERE

Anyways, I live at 2nd and I NE.

Lolol, so the internet tough guy is yourself?

Idk why everyone is making such a big fuss and arguing. Some of ya'll say we don't have true launch control but WTF is true launch control? Idk if I'd want my 2 ton SUV to do a launch at 4k rpm's.... it works just fine the way it is, and it sure as hell launches when I step on it. Locking the torque converter or not, that still controls how you launch the car... therefore- launch control.

[rcastillejos]

Dave right on !

[LINDW4LL]

Here's some launch control action for you guys.