Multironic adatation with VCDS

[Cuore]

Hi all! This forum seems to be huge with a lot of knowledge available. I decided to register to see if I could get some assistance for my dilemma.

I have an Audi A4 2.0 TFSI with Multitronic transmission. Gas pedal is sort of a quick and when leaving from stationary, car kind of bursts/runs. It doesn’t take off smoothly. I read that this is a feature with 2.0 TFSI and Multitronic –combo, which can be fixed with software update. So I decided to take my car to local official Audi shop. They updated the software and said that the Multitronic adaptation should be done also. I told that I would do this on my own, because I didn’t want to pay extra few hundreds for something that I could do on my own.

My friend has similar car than me, but with 2.7 TDI engine. He also has VCDS –software and he has performed “Multitronic adaptation” –procedure successfully on his own car. For him, the correct oil temp caused that the procedure wouldn’t succeed at first. On my car, procedure just doesn’t finish, even when the transmission oil temp is at correct level. We tried several kind of take offs with the car; back and forth 5 times, 5 times forth and then 5 times back, using gas pedal and not using gas pedal. Procedure just doesn’t finish. One thing that wondered us was that according to conditions; accelerator position should not have exceeded 15% during procedure. The problem is that when the car is stationary, idling (not pressing gas at all) VCDS says that the accelerator position is already at 15%. Engine speed is however normal when idling (750RPM).

Any ideas why doesn’t the procedure succeed? Could it have something to do with the accelerator position or what? Help is welcome! :)

Ps. If mods can find a more suitable forum for this topic, please feel free to move this there :)

[Gunnark100]

Im not sure is this correct process but you can try. I belive you do not need to pay extra "few hundred", i did recently soft update to H12 and adaption for 110 euro. Sometimes still to quick to take off, its probably good to make dynamic oilchange as well.

0AW Self-Diagnosis Clutch Adaptation Instructions

Select the following measured values in the self-diagnosis and possibly save them under Favorites:

^ Adaptation of the forwards start-up behavior [LO] State

^ Adaptation of the backwards start-up behavior [LO] State

^ Transmission fluid temperature

^ Specified clutch torque

Creep adaptation of the forward and reverse clutch with 0AW gearboxes:

1. Make sure that there are no fault entries in the TCM.

2. Warm up the gearbox to about 85°C, ideally by pulling away in driving mode D and R at various loads of max 1500 rpm.

Tip: Currently the adaptation is only possible when the measured value transmission temperature is between 80° - 95°C.

3. When the vehicle is standing still, select driving mode D.

4. Pull away with little acceleration to about 6 mph or 10 km/h. Slowly brake the vehicle with the foot brake.

Hold the brake pedal for another 5-10 seconds as the vehicle stands still.

5. When stopping, the specified clutch torque must not drop below 20 Nm, otherwise the adaptation fails.

If this is the case, change the driving profile (less load, gentler braking).

6. Repeat step 4 until the measured value indicates the adaptation of the forwards start-up behavior is successfully completed.

7. With the vehicle standing still, select driving mode R.

8. Repeat step 4 until the measured value indicates adaptation of the backwards start-up behavior is successful completed.

When stopping, the specified clutch torque must not drop below 20 Nm, otherwise the adaptation fails. If this is the case,

change the driving profile.

9. After a terminal 15 reset, the adaptation starts over again with status running. Keep the ignition switched on

for at least six minutes after a successful adaptation.

[Cuore]

Software update costed 85 euros + adaptation work 200-300 euros. Finland prices! I think it is quite a lot cheaper there in Estonia ;) Why would I won’t to pay any extra at all, when I’m a part owner in that pretty expensive Ross-tech cable and my friend had recently done the procedure successfully on his own car :)

Anyways, back to the topic. We did the procedure as in your instructions. Only thing that we didn’t do, was that we didn’t monitor the clutch torque. I did just as my friend told he had done on his car; smooth take offs and gentle braking. Could it be that though?

Any thoughts on that accelerator position?

[Cuore]

Any ideas why doesn't the procedure get completed?

[Gunnark100]

I just few days ago did this again. Just start from temp 60 degrees. First time i was not lucky , second time took me 10min to complete block 12,13!

keep blocks 12,13,38 online. My temp did not reached 80.

I did D and R together, back and fore.

[Cuore]

Tried this again yesterday. Started with lower temp than 80 degrees (60-70?), as you suggested. Started with just forward, and after a first try (4 take offs) my friend tells my that procedure was completed. Reverse was not lucky after first try, temps were close to 90 degrees. After cooling down and trying again, reverse was also succesfull.

I would say mysterious! :) Might be that earlier we tried with too high temp, even though the the software recommendation is +80 degrees.

Thanks for the tip!

[Gunnark100]

Tried this again yesterday. Started with lower temp than 80 degrees (60-70?), as you suggested. Started with just forward, and after a first try (4 take offs) my friend tells my that procedure was completed. Reverse was not lucky after first try, temps were close to 90 degrees. After cooling down and trying again, reverse was also succesfull.

I would say mysterious! :) Might be that earlier we tried with too high temp, even though the the software recommendation is +80 degrees.

Thanks for the tip!

You welcome, i tried quite long time with temp 80-95 but no luck...next day adaption was complete around @65-70 degrees or something, but looks to me those adaption values are not keeping for very long, specialy where running sometimes with s mode and a bit faster:), im not happy with clutch on take off, if i press gas a bit to much it will "jump"...i think its time for dynamic oilchange as my car has 130000km on clock etc, put around 350 euro it would be idiotic price, normal oilchange around 100 euro put our specialists does not recommend this as with ordinary oilchange they cant get out all old oil, so who knows.

[Cuore]

Mine has 195 000 km on the clock and it's multitronic oil has been changed every 60 000 km's. Mine takes off really smoothly, already before adaptation. I just wanted done, as Audi Center guys told me that it should be done after software update. So no actual problem there.

I would go with the flushing type oil change, so that all of the oil gets changed. If you just drain from the plug, only like half of it get's changed.

[ali_m_kayed]

Hey all, and it's to have a thread talking about the CVT (Multitronic) adaptation which I'm really having troubles to perform.
The issue I'm having is that with the VCDS version I'm having (Release 15.7.3) so when I select (02-Auto Trans) the I can't select Measuring blocks (Greyed out) and instead I have to go to Basic setting where I have to select from a drop down menu, options are:
reset clutch adaptation forward
reset clutch adaptation backward
reset clutch setting
reset all adaptations
and few others.
first 2 above always resulted in ERROR:request out of range in which I tried with all Oil Temperatures (40 up to 100)!!
However when I select the other Two (reset clutch settings or reset all adaptations) I do have done completely but the car acts crazy when I shift on D or R!!
extreme vibration and some times engine dies when I release break "car doesn't even roll" but it starts normally only only extreme vibration when shifting from/to D or R!!
Any support guys you can help me with might be the VCDS version or procedures!!
or maybe any more details or info you may need so I can extract from VCDS and post!!
Thanks

[Gunnark100]

Hey all, and it's to have a thread talking about the CVT (Multitronic) adaptation which I'm really having troubles to perform.
The issue I'm having is that with the VCDS version I'm having (Release 15.7.3) so when I select (02-Auto Trans) the I can't select Measuring blocks (Greyed out) and instead I have to go to Basic setting where I have to select from a drop down menu, options are:
reset clutch adaptation forward
reset clutch adaptation backward
reset clutch setting
reset all adaptations
and few others.
first 2 above always resulted in ERROR:request out of range in which I tried with all Oil Temperatures (40 up to 100)!!
However when I select the other Two (reset clutch settings or reset all adaptations) I do have done completely but the car acts crazy when I shift on D or R!!
extreme vibration and some times engine dies when I release break "car doesn't even roll" but it starts normally only only extreme vibration when shifting from/to D or R!!
Any support guys you can help me with might be the VCDS version or procedures!!
or maybe any more details or info you may need so I can extract from VCDS and post!!
Thanks

Why you started making adaption, gearbox did not work properly? Any fault codes under 02trans? Strange symptoms regarding vibration and engine dies etc...

All you needed to do, was "reset all adaption valus" - wait until vcds says ok.

Advance measure blocks online 12,13,38

12 and 13 status running - run forward and back until status succesfully completed!

But your symptoms are strange!(Just shut the car, start and drive day or so if gearbox functioning and make adaption later again)

[ali_m_kayed]

Thanks alot. Will try it out today.
Actually it drives but once i put the car on gear D or R it will tend to move aggressivly ( like if the creep in both direction is aggressive) if you know what I mean.
Another thing I was trying to do was kick down adaptation from engine module but don't know which one to pick from drop down list in basic setting!!

[ali_m_kayed]

Well today i tried it all over again!!
Rest all adaptation
Show measurements: 12 and 13 which kept showing "is running"
I tried above procedures for like an hour but it didn't change it was showing is running!!
I'll try again when oil cool down but do I have to "reset adaptation again" or I just keep trying forward and reverse with slowly breaking as described above!
Thx

[diegokarolo]

Hi everyone. Don't want open new thread. I've got*audi a5*2.7tdi multitronic :/ and just replaced radiator .After test drive there is start delay from standstill about 2or3 seconds. It is better when oil warm up. Maybe oil too low? After that I tried do adaptation from this thread of my gearbox but cannot memories*it.adaptation is successful but after engine off It loose adaptation. Everything going good until step 9 I don't now what to do after step 8 what is terminal 15? How to reset terminal 15?many thanks

[Shimon]

Did you resolve this issue?

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[diegokarolo]

Update gearbox software , oil chenged unfortunately still clutch slipping when cold , it is much smoothly after update but new software looks like powered down- protection gearbox not nice :/ . Soon need new clutch I guess.

[Traficant]

Hi guys,
I read a lot for Multitronics and hit your thread for adapting the gearbox clutches.
I have my A6 due for gearbox oil change with Audi. As I wanted to put a Genuine oil in it and no cheap found online, £15 a litre plus shipping, then I have spoken to Audi and they have quoted me £175 so I have booked it, no matter they been fully booked month ahead. I have no problems driving with 182k on the clock but can not find an info for oil change apart from when the car turned 40k miles. I just want to share an opinion after come back after dealer visit as we all know what are the dealers like and might need an advise from you after.
So looking forward for next weekend to seen what happens.

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[Gunnark100]

Hi guys,
I read a lot for Multitronics and hit your thread for adapting the gearbox clutches.
I have my A6 due for gearbox oil change with Audi. As I wanted to put a Genuine oil in it and no cheap found online, £15 a litre plus shipping, then I have spoken to Audi and they have quoted me £175 so I have booked it, no matter they been fully booked month ahead. I have no problems driving with 182k on the clock but can not find an info for oil change apart from when the car turned 40k miles. I just want to share an opinion after come back after dealer visit as we all know what are the dealers like and might need an advise from you after.
So looking forward for next weekend to seen what happens.

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Always good to get feedback, they are making drain style oilchange as per elsawin around 6 liters. Let them change outer filter aswell if its the same gearbox has on B8.

0AW gearbox:
oil G052516A2
filter 0AW301516H
2x o-rings N90666003

Is 175 pounds included software update+adaption or just drain and fill?

[Traficant]

Sounds like we are talking about different type gearboxes. As far as I am concerned I have a CVT or stepless or variator box fitted, using a yellow ATF G052180A2.
Been reading as well as spoken to a man who does only auto boxes and he claims its filter is a lifetime one, unless you dismantle half of the unit to reach that filter. Also the valve body is embedded inside the box housing, also there is no oil pan to change that filter from there. This gearbox suppose to be a chain driven with tapered cones moving towards or apart each other to bring the required ratio for a certain gear.
Read about adaptation in Ross Tech site and they say that no adaptation needed unless you change the traction control module(TCM), the valve body, input shaft, recode TCM or just swap the whole box. Rather than that Eurotransmission Training claims that on every oil change because of the oil quality. Procedures stated from both are almost identical.
So in my opinion £175 include only the oil change, but I will find out soon and let you guys know.

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[Gunnark100]

B8 is using multitronic, 0AW, 8speed variator, gearbox, for frontwheel drive in europe. If you happy with gearbox work, no need or point to do adaption after drain type oilchange or sw Update. Those things are optional. Im not talking about inner filter(yes its so to say lifetime or recommended change after repairs). Use etka or some ohter place and you see what filter im talking about and its location. Its up to you change or not.

[Traficant]

I see what you meant I will bear this in mind as I am not fully aware of everything of Audi's fitments. Thing I know what you are talking about. There is a pipe with a some kind of cylinder on it joining the radiator for the oil cooling. I seen those prices, half of the car's. lol))))). Also I seen Chinese made of a such pipe which cylinder can be unscrewed and just the filtration element replaced. Cheeky, isn't it as audi will never offer such a part design.
Thanks for your advise opened my eyes and see what I will be offered in few days time.

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[kapilamuni]

Hi,
Sorry to hijack your thread.
When I tried to remove the filter on the top left side, it could not be done. The cooler pipes would not move much (about 2 inches) upward and the filter is about 6-7 inches & should come out straight up.
How did you all get this filter out?
Tried removing the cooler pipes at the cooler end also, but they come below the exhaust and needs removing lots of other parts. Hence did not try that path. Replaced the CVT oil anyway.
Your advise appreciated.

[jaycraven94]

Im not sure is this correct process but you can try. I belive you do not need to pay extra "few hundred", i did recently soft update to H12 and adaption for 110 euro. Sometimes still to quick to take off, its probably good to make dynamic oilchange as well.

0AW Self-Diagnosis Clutch Adaptation Instructions

Select the following measured values in the self-diagnosis and possibly save them under Favorites:

^ Adaptation of the forwards start-up behavior [LO] State

^ Adaptation of the backwards start-up behavior [LO] State

^ Transmission fluid temperature

^ Specified clutch torque

Creep adaptation of the forward and reverse clutch with 0AW gearboxes:

1. Make sure that there are no fault entries in the TCM.

2. Warm up the gearbox to about 85°C, ideally by pulling away in driving mode D and R at various loads of max 1500 rpm.

Tip: Currently the adaptation is only possible when the measured value transmission temperature is between 80° - 95°C.

3. When the vehicle is standing still, select driving mode D.

4. Pull away with little acceleration to about 6 mph or 10 km/h. Slowly brake the vehicle with the foot brake.

Hold the brake pedal for another 5-10 seconds as the vehicle stands still.

5. When stopping, the specified clutch torque must not drop below 20 Nm, otherwise the adaptation fails.

If this is the case, change the driving profile (less load, gentler braking).

6. Repeat step 4 until the measured value indicates the adaptation of the forwards start-up behavior is successfully completed.

7. With the vehicle standing still, select driving mode R.

8. Repeat step 4 until the measured value indicates adaptation of the backwards start-up behavior is successful completed.

When stopping, the specified clutch torque must not drop below 20 Nm, otherwise the adaptation fails. If this is the case,

change the driving profile.

9. After a terminal 15 reset, the adaptation starts over again with status running. Keep the ignition switched on

for at least six minutes after a successful adaptation.

Hi sorry to bring up a old post but thought it was more suitable as this is the procedure i am trying to do. I cant seem to get the forward adaption to work only the reverse. I have tried to follow this adaption but the only problem I get is that the torque will drop below 10NM every time I come to a stop. I have tried the adaption at several different temperatures (60-70 and 80-85) and still cant get the forwards to work. When in drive it seems like the clutch isn't releasing until the revs are up, and then it releases the clutch throwing the car forward, but reverse works perfectly. If anyone has got any suggestions I much appreciate it. Thank you

[Gunnark100]

Hi sorry to bring up a old post but thought it was more suitable as this is the procedure i am trying to do. I cant seem to get the forward adaption to work only the reverse. I have tried to follow this adaption but the only problem I get is that the torque will drop below 10NM every time I come to a stop. I have tried the adaption at several different temperatures (60-70 and 80-85) and still cant get the forwards to work. When in drive it seems like the clutch isn't releasing until the revs are up, and then it releases the clutch throwing the car forward, but reverse works perfectly. If anyone has got any suggestions I much appreciate it. Thank you

No need to say sorry, it is good forum behavior to ask a question in existing thread, only lazy muppets will make for each question new thread even if platform is already 10+ year old etc...

For adaption, just make a break for few hours or a day, delete adaptions and try again(its a bit hard to start driving with gearbox if adaptions have not been completed, but few hours or a day you can live with it).

[jaycraven94]

No need to say sorry, it is good forum behavior to ask a question in existing thread, only lazy muppets will make for each question new thread even if platform is already 10+ year old etc...

For adaption, just make a break for few hours or a day, delete adaptions and try again(its a bit hard to start driving with gearbox if adaptions have not been completed, but few hours or a day you can live with it).

I have tried several times but it just won’t work. I have been trying for hours and loosing all patience now haha. You mentioned to delete the adaptions, that’s one thing I have not done yet as I read it can cause worse driving behaviour and I’m worried if I still cannot do the adaption I will be left with a worse car.

Funny thing is that I realised today that the car will drive normaly if I leave it in manual for first then put it back into drive after I have taken off

[Eko2001ro]

I tried the clutch adjustment procedure but the values ​​are not maintained after restarting the engine. I have attached some screenshots. Can you tell me why the new values ​​of adaptation are not stored? I want to mention that I did this procedure because the car started to leave later when I take my foot off the brake and if I accelerate it suddenly respond with a shock. There are no errors in the tester. Sorry for my english
Thanks

[blacktoq]

I tried the clutch adjustment procedure but the values ​​are not maintained after restarting the engine. I have attached some screenshots. Can you tell me why the new values ​​of adaptation are not stored? I want to mention that I did this procedure because the car started to leave later when I take my foot off the brake and if I accelerate it suddenly respond with a shock. There are no errors in the tester. Sorry for my english
Thanks

Same as my A4 b8.5 1.8tfsi CVT multitronic. When the gearbox temp below 40°c(after layover overnight, cold fluid)the transmission n gear engagement fill smooth n fine. but after long drive(city driving +- trafficjem) for sure the transmission fluid become hot over 50°C i guess. it start making delay and cause the car jerk or jumping AFTER I RELEASE FOOT BRAKE AND STEP ON ACCELERATION PEDAL 2-3%.IF STEP ON MORE RPM WILL GO ALMOST 2000 THEN IT CAN MAKE YOUR HEAD HITTING HARD ON THE HEADREST.
FYI:
I'VE DONE GEARBOX OIL + OUTERFILTER CHANGE
ADAPTATION SUCCESSFULLY WITH 9 ATTEMPTS.

HELP US!!! IF ANYONE HAS EXPERIENCE THIS.

[AudiEX]

Hi for all , I have a A4 B8 OAW and I am trying to adaption with vcds without succeeding
after 6-7 attempts it is completed only backwards , forward he keeps saying running
the specified clutch torque drop below 20 Nm (10nm)

does anyone have any idea

[AudiEX]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr6MDP0VWZk&t=5s

[Hamzas7661]

Hi,
My D gear moves off perfectly however reverse gear has a two second delay before it engages. I’ve done the reset procedure as described above. In reverse I can only get 5nm whilst it’s creeping but funny enough it said procedure complete. I have also updated the gearbox software and it didn’t help. Any idea on how to correctly calibrate the reverse gear? I was going to select reset all adaptions but Ali on this post mentioned it caused him issues so a bit skeptical now
Any help will be appreciated thanks