Aux Input for Symphony 2 (not 2+) with no factory options AT ALL ... Help!

[VroomTT]

So let me primer this post with my current setup:
- 2006 A4 2.0t Sline 6spd manual
- Symphony 2 Head Unit (The one with the tape deck and in dash CD changer)
- No SAT radio (press the button on the head unit and it says SAT not installed)
- No BOSE option, just regular old speakers(not sure if this setup has an amp or not)
- No DIS option, just the red pixels we all love (Steering wheel has mode button, which displays "no funct" when pressed)
- No BlueTooth option (Steering wheel has the voice control button, which displays "no funct" when pressed)

Needless to say, in the stereo dept. it sucks pretty bad. I've been using a tape deck on my Android for a while now and it sounds terrible. Not that the radio sounds the best to begin with, but at least it's clear enough. Also, if I see that "No funct" display one more time I might drive off a cliff

I've done a fair amount of searching the interwebs on what options are available for retaining my oem head unit and adding an AUX input. I've see the denison units and other similar kits. My concern is most of them use an FM transmitter to transfer the BT signal to the radio. I also hear the sound quality via FM transmitter is rough on those too. I know denison has one which works off a direct aux feed. My understanding is those tap into the CD changer, resulting in
1) disables the CD changer 2) are operated via the CD interface on the head unit 3) may only work on units with a glovebox or trunk cd changer, so no go on the Symphony II if that's the case.

My preference would be to go with a BT setup that allows me to stream music from my android and take calls over the stereo. I can live with a cheap option that just gives me a headphone jack into the stereo if needed.
Also, I'd like to have a better way to charge my phone & devises. Something like a female usb routed through the center console that I could leave any plug connected to while not in use. I currently charge my phone with a mini cig plug adapter which isn't that bad, but it stays on when the car is off and could drain my battery if left there.

I'm also wondering if it would be possible to use the SAT input as an AUX? Since I don't have the option installed, is there an open input in the back I could tap into? Would probly require a vagcom to activate the button and trick it into thinking it has SAT right? Probly too good to be true, but converting that SAT button with an AUX input would be fantastic!!!


Open to suggestions and willing to compromise... Need help from the Audio Gurus out here!

Cheers

[billyhoyle]

I've been using this guy http://www.amazon.com/GOgroove-FlexS.../dp/B003PPGOC0 for years and the sound quality via fm is pretty good. Apparently there is an X3 now too, which might be even better. There is also a usb plug on the side so you can charge whatever you want with it. I leave it on all the time and my battery has been fine. The only downside is that it can get in the way when you have something plugged in to charge - I have it plugged in behind the shifter, but 99% of the time I don't even notice it when shifting.

[Charles.waite]

I have a Dice adapter that is designed for the Symphony 2 that interfaces with the sat plugs in teh back and allows iPod and 3.5mm inputs and with the iPod it shows song info in the display and DIS. I might be putting it up for sale soon if you're interested. Shoot me a PM. I'm just deciding if I want to sell it with my B6 or not.

[VroomTT]

I've been using this guy http://www.amazon.com/GOgroove-FlexS.../dp/B003PPGOC0 for years and the sound quality via fm is pretty good. Apparently there is an X3 now too, which might be even better. There is also a usb plug on the side so you can charge whatever you want with it. I leave it on all the time and my battery has been fine. The only downside is that it can get in the way when you have something plugged in to charge - I have it plugged in behind the shifter, but 99% of the time I don't even notice it when shifting.

Thanks for the info here. I've see a bunch units just like this and I'm really trying to avoid a big unit poking off to the side of the radio. I honestly hate the idea of some clunky thing hanging off the dash... though if they sound half decent i'd consider a more stealthy one in the short term.

Pulled two examples that would be easier to hide...

http://www.amazon.com/Geartist-TM-GB...fm+transmitter

http://www.amazon.com/TeckNet%C2%AE-...fm+transmitter

... but are there really going to be any better than the tape deck???

[VroomTT]

I have a Dice adapter that is designed for the Symphony 2 that interfaces with the sat plugs in teh back and allows iPod and 3.5mm inputs and with the iPod it shows song info in the display and DIS. I might be putting it up for sale soon if you're interested. Shoot me a PM. I'm just deciding if I want to sell it with my B6 or not.

Thanks for the offer. I don't really use an ipod anymore because my phone has more memory and a better interface. Though, I am def interested in how that unit uses your SAT for the input. Do you have a link to the model or any info you can provide? Did your car already have the factory SAT option? Did you have to vagcom your car?

[DannyDeez]

I have the same radio as you, but I have the factory satellite radio box connected in the trunk. I use this product: http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B7_A4-....0T/ES1896861/
I also bought the optional aux cable since I don't use the 30 pin apple connector that comes with it. To make use of the 30 pin and solve your bluetooth issue, you can order something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Rece...etooth+adapter

Edit: search amazon for the first product. Its MUCH cheaper there. Actually, heres the link. They also have a couple different versions. Im not sure the difference in them though. I think maybe it has to do with keeping factory satellite radio if you have the box in your trunk. Dont quote me on that though. You might be able to install the same one I'm using(part# ADUO-103-AVW) by plugging it into the pre wiring for the satellite box in your trunk. Actually, I think thats exactly how you install it. Because it runs off of the SAT button on your radio.

[DannyDeez]

Don't mind my last post if it sound like a run on rant. I edited it like 20 times in a matter of a few minutes

[Charles.waite]

I have the same radio as you, but I have the factory satellite radio box connected in the trunk. I use this product: http://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B7_A4-....0T/ES1896861/
I also bought the optional aux cable since I don't use the 30 pin apple connector that comes with it. To make use of the 30 pin and solve your bluetooth issue, you can order something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Bluetooth-Rece...etooth+adapter

Edit: search amazon for the first product. Its MUCH cheaper there. Actually, heres the link. They also have a couple different versions. Im not sure the difference in them though. I think maybe it has to do with keeping factory satellite radio if you have the box in your trunk. Dont quote me on that though. You might be able to install the same one I'm using(part# ADUO-103-AVW) by plugging it into the pre wiring for the satellite box in your trunk. Actually, I think thats exactly how you install it. Because it runs off of the SAT button on your radio.

That Audiovox unit is exactly what I have, just a newer version. Audiovox bought Dice and rebranded their stuff.

In any event, OP, it is iPod specific, as it has a dock connector, but you could just slap a Tune2Air onto the end of it and then just stream through bluetooth via the box. I can't recall if I had to recode the head unit, but you probably will need to. Only takes a few minutes with Vagcom. The one downside to the cheap bluetooth adapters is that some of them use the analog pins on the dock connector and most adapters only pass digital output through to the headunit. I know this is a problem with the Newer B8 MMI headunits, not sure if its also true with the Symphony units. The tune2Air is $85 so its much more expensive, but its tried and true.

My car came with a SAT box in the trunk that I just diabled. In theory you can retain the SAT functionality, but I don't have a subscription and don't care so I left it unplugged.

[DannyDeez]

I retained the satellite functionality. Also, no coding was needed with my install. Simply plug and play.


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[VroomTT]

Thanks for the extra info! This is def more in line with what I had in mind.

I found the following: http://www.audiworld.com/tech/elec121.shtml

I'm going to see if I can pop open that area tonight and find the wires. I'm assuming mine has nothing in there, so I should be able to just plug in a new unit to the existing harness right?

Also, does anyone know the specific codes needed to activate the SAT via vagcom? Does that same code trigger anything else? I know sometimes the code to trigger one thing can trigger another unrelated item that was part of the option package.

[VroomTT]

Would it be possible to tap a denison BT unit into the SAT port behind the head unit? If the car is pre-wired for the SAT in the trunk, those wires should run into the head unit too right? It would be much better to have a built in BT and also the mic for calls. Also, I think units like this can accept a simple USB(female) via optional cable. I could just run that out of the dash and have a hard wired charger for any usb...

http://www.amazon.com/Dension-GBL3AU...N65WT6JAYAZ64V

...am I asking for too much? lol

[VroomTT]

Also found this one...

http://www.amazon.com/Audiovox-AMBR-...T3B1HPY1XG1FS4

... which looks like it already has BT integration for apple and android. Though, does anyone have experience with connecting a BT device between the trunk and front driver area??? I'm wondering if it's too far to connect.

[VroomTT]

So that Audiovox Mediabridge is available at best buy or via crutchfield too...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audiovox...uId=1310598706

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_2201501...diaBridge.html

...I'm wondering if it's worth the extra $$ to get it at best buy and get free install

Also, it looks like these Audiovox units all come with a mic and usb extension too, so they fit the bill.

[Charles.waite]

Thanks for the extra info! This is def more in line with what I had in mind.

I found the following: http://www.audiworld.com/tech/elec121.shtml

I'm going to see if I can pop open that area tonight and find the wires. I'm assuming mine has nothing in there, so I should be able to just plug in a new unit to the existing harness right?

Also, does anyone know the specific codes needed to activate the SAT via vagcom? Does that same code trigger anything else? I know sometimes the code to trigger one thing can trigger another unrelated item that was part of the option package.

With the radio, changing the coding shouldn't affect anything else. It should be simple and straightforward, the Coding Hints in VCDS explain what to do.

Assuming you have the harness in the trunk, it literally should be plug and play. Not sure about non-sat equipped cars, but I had to pull the side trim off in order to get access to the wires. But that only takes a few extra minutes.

[Charles.waite]

So that Audiovox Mediabridge is available at best buy or via crutchfield too...

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audiovox...uId=1310598706

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_2201501...diaBridge.html

...I'm wondering if it's worth the extra $$ to get it at best buy and get free install

Also, it looks like these Audiovox units all come with a mic and usb extension too, so they fit the bill.

Those units are different ones. Looks like they offer Bluetooth integration. I would double check that they attach to the sat connector as there are a few identical looking boxes that are designed to hookup in different locations.

[VroomTT]

With the radio, changing the coding shouldn't affect anything else. It should be simple and straightforward, the Coding Hints in VCDS explain what to do.

Assuming you have the harness in the trunk, it literally should be plug and play. Not sure about non-sat equipped cars, but I had to pull the side trim off in order to get access to the wires. But that only takes a few extra minutes.

I don't have the tools, but I'm hoping my local audi guy will be okay with taking care of the coding for me for a small fee. Unless I can coordinate with a local AZ'er in my area!

I'll be checking later today. I've read the whole liner needs to be popped out, but I've also seen pictures where people were able to pop off the lid and access the SAT unit... not sure what will be needed for mine, but either way is fine. I just need to get to those wires to verify.

[VroomTT]

Those units are different ones. Looks like they offer Bluetooth integration. I would double check that they attach to the sat connector as there are a few identical looking boxes

Correct. 1501 and 1503. Not sure the difference, maybe just the wiring included in the kit??? I'm assuming if I go the best buy route, they will provide and install the correct one for my car. I'll prob need to vagcom before then though, so when it's installed, I can actually verify it works.

Thanks for the info.

[DannyDeez]

What coding do you keep referring to? There is no coding needed when installing one of those boxes. Just plug and play. They're made to integrate with your existing harness.

For the install, DO NOT pull out the entire liner. Just drop the panel on the left side of your trunk down like in this pic:



You see that rectangular shaped panel? Stick something in one of the little notches and pry it open. Its a drawer that slides out. If you have a satellite box it will be screwed onto it. If you don't have a satellite box, just pull the drawer out and stick your hands in the opening and feel around towards the top right for a harness wrapped in foam.

Where are you located?

[Charles.waite]

What coding do you keep referring to? There is no coding needed when installing one of those boxes. Just plug and play. They're made to integrate with your existing harness.

For the install, DO NOT pull out the entire liner. Just drop the panel on the left side of your trunk down like in this pic:



You see that rectangular shaped panel? Stick something in one of the little notches and pry it open. Its a drawer that slides out. If you have a satellite box it will be screwed onto it. If you don't have a satellite box, just pull the drawer out and stick your hands in the opening and feel around towards the top right for a harness wrapped in foam.

Where are you located?

THere is coding required IF your car didn't come with a satellite box. Yours did, so no coding is necessary. The OP will need to enable the SAT radio input on the stereo which requires coding.

[VroomTT]

THere is coding required IF your car didn't come with a satellite box. Yours did, so no coding is necessary. The OP will need to enable the SAT radio input on the stereo which requires coding.

Correct, this is the coding I was referring to. I'll need to vagcom to activate the SAT function on my radio. Once activated, it should be able to accept the output of the new box. Unless I'm missing something?

Also, I'm located in south east FL. Ft. Lauderdale area specifically.

[Charles.waite]

Correct, this is the coding I was referring to. I'll need to vagcom to activate the SAT function on my radio. Once activated, it should be able to accept the output of the new box. Unless I'm missing something?

Also, I'm located in south east FL. Ft. Lauderdale area specifically.

Not missing anything, thats all you have to do. As I said, if you have VCDS its super easy.

One thing I would do first, is double check that the Sat Radio harness is present in the car. I'm pretty sure they're prewired for it from 2003-up but its easy to check, and if you don't have the harness present you'll want to get a different adapter.

[VroomTT]

Not missing anything, thats all you have to do. As I said, if you have VCDS its super easy.

One thing I would do first, is double check that the Sat Radio harness is present in the car. I'm pretty sure they're prewired for it from 2003-up but its easy to check, and if you don't have the harness present you'll want to get a different adapter.

Awesome, thanks for the clarification. I'll follow-up as soon as I get a chance to check.

Where can I find the specific module and code to update? I noticed it's not in the VAG-COM walk through(which is awesome btw)

[DannyDeez]

THere is coding required IF your car didn't come with a satellite box. Yours did, so no coding is necessary. The OP will need to enable the SAT radio input on the stereo which requires coding.

Correct, this is the coding I was referring to. I'll need to vagcom to activate the SAT function on my radio. Once activated, it should be able to accept the output of the new box. Unless I'm missing something?

Also, I'm located in south east FL. Ft. Lauderdale area specifically.

My car did not come with satellite radio. I bought a used satellite box from the classifieds here and installed it myself. My car came exactly like the OP. Same radio and setup. Thats why I don't understand why you guys think there is coding needed. If the radio has the SAT button, that means its an active connection. I can see maybe moving the can bus connector in the kick panel to make the car recognize it, but why would any vag com be needed?

Edit: If you were in NY I could try and give you a hand

[VroomTT]

I had a quick minute to check it out...

The cover just slides directly out. It feels pretty sturdy too.


Looking inside, you can see these two cable sets.


Gave each a quick tug but their not loose. I'll need to pull off the full cover when I get home.

[Charles.waite]

I had a quick minute to check it out...

The cover just slides directly out. It feels pretty sturdy too.


Looking inside, you can see these two cable sets.


Gave each a quick tug but their not loose. I'll need to pull off the full cover when I get home.

I don't think those are the harnesses. It might be tied up lower down, the plugs will have a wrap of soft foam and be ziptied probably. The reason I suggested pulling the trim panel off was so that you're not groping around in there tugging on random wires until you break something. It seriously only takes a few more minutes.

[DannyDeez]

My harness was tucked in towards the right. Just stick your hand back there and see if you feel one with a foam piece wrapped around it like charles said. Mine wasn't zip tied, neither was a friends when I did it for them a few years ago.

[VroomTT]

Finally got home and took another look. I reached in and up, and right away felt the foam. Wasn't zip tied at all, just curved up and resting on top of the unit.

Popped off the foam and 4 clean connections to play with


Also, as you can see from the pic, it was one of the wire sets I tugged on previously. I just wasn't comfortable with more than a light tug at the cables in a parking lot

If only I had a picture of the connections on the mediabridge to compare...

[DannyDeez]

Right where I said it would be

The module I linked you to connects to those satellite cables. Its your best bet for utilizing the SAT button on your radio.

The media bridge that you are looking at appears to connect to the back of the radio and probably uses the CD button: http://audiovox.diceelectronics.com/..._rev062012.pdf

Pics of the connections: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...-1501-AVW.html

[VroomTT]

Right where I said it would be

The module I linked you to connects to those satellite cables. Its your best bet for utilizing the SAT button on your radio.

The media bridge that you are looking at appears to connect to the back of the radio and probably uses the CD button: http://audiovox.diceelectronics.com/..._rev062012.pdf

Pics of the connections: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...-1501-AVW.html

Yeah, it was right there. I was looking at those same instructions last night and realized the same thing regarding the media bridge... which sucks b/c I thought I had found a good solution.

I'm still curious if that mediabridge can be hooked up to the SAT button behind the radio. I assume(maybe wrongly) that those same connection in the trunk plug into the head unit at the front... so I'm curious if it is possible to plug it in directly, instead of via the trunk, though I admit it looks like a stretch.

I may go with the DUO unit and a BT received on the Ipod connector... though that doesn't give me a mic or the ability to charge my phone easily. For the price and ease of installation, it's not bad though!

Thanks again for all the info. I'm gonna dig around for some options and post up what I'm considering.

[VroomTT]

Looking at the mediabridge instructions, I'm not really sure which one would be applicable to the Symphony II ?

I'm currently trying to piece together a setup that would utilize the DUO for plug and play to the SAT button, then use an 8-pin extension so I can run the 30 pin Ipod harness all the way up to into either my glovebox or the center armrest. The idea here is that I can then have a BT dongle for streaming or connect my old Ipod if I wanted to do that too. This way I have the option within reach.

Upsides: BT streaming, SAT button use, no CD changer loss, ipod connection, low cost, install myself
Downsides: No phone charging setup, no mic for hands free calling

What happens if I'm on the BT dongle streaming and I get a call? Will it come through the speakers in the car? I does this with the tape deck, but apparently there is an echo for the caller on the line bc of the stereo and phone mic... How can I work around that?

Also searching for a longer 8-Pin to USB. Though, I'm not sure how the box would interface if I usb to a flash drive or my android... probly won't read.

Media bridge can read flash drives and ipods and can charge my phone while BT streaming, plus mic.... but loose my CD changer potentially. DAMN THESE CHOICES

[DannyDeez]

Looking at the mediabridge instructions, I'm not really sure which one would be applicable to the Symphony II ?

I'm currently trying to piece together a setup that would utilize the DUO for plug and play to the SAT button, then use an 8-pin extension so I can run the 30 pin Ipod harness all the way up to into either my glovebox or the center armrest. The idea here is that I can then have a BT dongle for streaming or connect my old Ipod if I wanted to do that too. This way I have the option within reach.

Upsides: BT streaming, SAT button use, no CD changer loss, ipod connection, low cost, install myself
Downsides: No phone charging setup, no mic for hands free calling

What happens if I'm on the BT dongle streaming and I get a call? Will it come through the speakers in the car? I does this with the tape deck, but apparently there is an echo for the caller on the line bc of the stereo and phone mic... How can I work around that?

Also searching for a longer 8-Pin to USB. Though, I'm not sure how the box would interface if I usb to a flash drive or my android... probly won't read.

Media bridge can read flash drives and ipods and can charge my phone while BT streaming, plus mic.... but loose my CD changer potentially. DAMN THESE CHOICES

I just want to make sure I'm understanding you right... Are you now considering the original one that I sent you the link to? And then adding a blue tooth dongle at the end of the 30 pin apple connector?

IF SO, I can still try and be of assistance.

What is the "8 pin extension" that you are looking for? I would love to help but I don't think I know what that is.

The 30 pin iPod/apple connector that comes with the DUO is long enough to run to your glovebox or center arm rest like you mentioned. I have mine coming out of one of the cut outs in the back of my glovebox and theres plenty of slack to pull it out and let me hold it while driving.

I also bought the additional AUX cable so I have the option to play music from the phone via the headphone jack. You can see that cable here: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...C-106-AUX.html

I have that cable coming out of my glovebox with the 30 pin apple one as well.

[VroomTT]

I just want to make sure I'm understanding you right... Are you now considering the original one that I sent you the link to? And then adding a blue tooth dongle at the end of the 30 pin apple connector?

IF SO, I can still try and be of assistance.

What is the "8 pin extension" that you are looking for? I would love to help but I don't think I know what that is.

The 30 pin iPod/apple connector that comes with the DUO is long enough to run to your glovebox or center arm rest like you mentioned. I have mine coming out of one of the cut outs in the back of my glovebox and theres plenty of slack to pull it out and let me hold it while driving.

I also bought the additional AUX cable so I have the option to play music from the phone via the headphone jack. You can see that cable here: http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...C-106-AUX.html

I have that cable coming out of my glovebox with the 30 pin apple one as well.

Correct. That's what I am leaning towards now. Just trying to piece together what I'll need with prices so I can compare and make a decision.

This is pretty much what I mean for the 8-pin extension: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002J1SIM/...FISGD00C&psc=1

Just so I'm clear, you have the DUO unit in the trunk SAT area same as I am planning, right? If so, you were able to run(& hide) the included Ipod cable from the unit in the driver side truck compartment all the way to the glove box with slack to spare? From what I saw, the kit's ipod cable is 5.5 feet in length, so I didn't think it would be long enough to do that.

Also, you mentioned the spare Aux 3.5 cable. Do you go to the trunk every time you want to switch between the two connections? It looks like the DUO only has one 8-pin slot.

I'm pulling details on the DUO unit here: http://www.crutchfield.com/p_220D103...rline-DUO.html

Also, have you used a BT dongle with it before?

Thanks again! Huge help here

[VroomTT]

Also, there is a green input on the DUO unit which looks like a 3.5 audio jack... any idea what that is???

[DannyDeez]

Happy to help!!

Oh ok, gotcha on the 8 pin extension. Yea its not needed with this.

You actually install the DUO box behind the panel under the steering wheel(thats where mine is), or behind the radio(tight fit but you can prob make it happen), or even in the glovebox if you wanted(you would have to run it along the passenger side for that as it might not be long enough).
It DOES NOT install in the trunk. Seems like it would, I thought the same thing when I was researching before I bought it.

The connecting cable that the duo comes with plugs into those two sat cables in your trunk, then it runs the entire length of the car (driver side, under the back seat, then under the door sills) and then up into the panel under the steering wheel as mentioned above.

Not important, but just to mention, nothing plugs into the radio. It gets the power from those sat cables in your trunk.

So thats why the iPod cable is long enough. Because you actually have the unit in the front of the car, and not in the trunk.

For the aux cable, you see that little square piece next to the green jack that says "remove for sirius" or sc1 tuner only? When you pull that off, the aux cable plugs into that. Otherwise it would be left alone, or used for an additional satellite module(which you would never use because your car has the option to just add a satellite box in the trunk).

That green jack is for the IR receiver (which I also have but haven't used yet). Its a remote control for changing songs on your iPod. http://www.crutchfield.com/S-MdUT9Ay...ntrol-Kit.html

I have not used a bluetooth dongle so I can't comment on that, but I have read on these forums that people use it and are happy with it.

I typed this in a rush because I have to run out but let me know if I missed anything or if you want me to clarify more.

[Charles.waite]

The sat harness ones connect in the back, but the harness is long enough so that you could run it all the way to the glovebox. Personally, I'm lazy, and nobody was ever in my backseat so I just ran it through the cabin and up into my armrest. I didn't fell like taking off the interior trim to run it.

Just be sure you buy the right model as they all look very similar, their differences lie in where they connect into the stereo system and what input they take over.

I'm very happy with the Trunk mounted sat box simply because I never had any intention of using the Sat radio and using it through the external CD-Changer input seemed like an annoying kludge. Audio quality should be great either way, but using a discreet input seemed more seamless to me.

DannyDeez has lots of good advice though, sounds like he's got it covered.

[VroomTT]

Okay, that makes a lot more sense.

- Run the provided harness up to the front of the car, so the unit is up front, and no need for extensions on the wiring.
- That little flap door is an extra AUX in port. Is it a similar 8-pin to the ipod line? Or different. I'd like to put a USB there for charging if possible. Wondering if it would read anything other than an ipod, like a small flash drive?

I'm eager to pull the trigger on this, but just want to make sure I'm weighing all the options.

Thanks guys!

[VroomTT]

Okay, so still doing some searching for best options out there.

I found this on ebay for the AudiVox mediabridge: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Audiovox-AMB...item19ea5f2046
The last picture shows an instruction manual that says it runs in SAT Emulation mode. I'm wondering if that's what I'm looking for, just not sure how it would connect to the radio etc. I like the idea of hands free calling.

Also found this Grom unit: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Grom-Audio-C...f121bc&vxp=mtr
This seems looks to be fully compatible with the Symphony II on my car, and doesn't eliminate my in dash CD changer. BUT in the instructions it says you need to cut off part of the oem harness... idk how I feel about that.

[VroomTT]

Okay, found the correct one on the crutchfield site
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_2201503...3-avw&tp=61445

Verified with the instructions that this specific model connects the same way as the DUO(via the SAT connection and uses the SAT button)
http://a248.e.akamai.net/pix.crutchf...2201503AVW.PDF

So I thought all was well, till I read these reviews... http://www.amazon.com/Audiovox-AMBR-...ords=AMBR-1503

Are you guys having the same problems with your DUOs???

[VroomTT]

This is a bit better... http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...led-and-review

I wonder why some had such a bad experience???

[VroomTT]

Leaning towards this now...

http://enfigcarstereo.com/DENSION_GBL3AU2.html

... could I be any more indecisive right now! I hear great things about the dension products though.