Transmission Swap

**mccorkled** · 01-28-2015 03:01 PM

Does anyone live in MD/PA area that is super experienced with this type of thing?

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...nsmission-Swap

I want to make my automatic a 6 speed and I would feel much more comfortable with someone from here who knows that they are doing rather than some garage. I am working on gathering parts and I have my eye on a B7 6 speed transmission. I of course would want to do all of the JHM upgrades to it that I can before installing, including a downpipe.

Thanks.

**aluthman** · 01-28-2015 03:04 PM

Aren't the engine blocks different for Tiptronic and CVT/manual cars?

**vce1232000** · 01-28-2015 03:07 PM

I believe the Crankshafts are different

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**mtroxel** · 01-28-2015 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by vce1232000

I believe the Crankshafts are different

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I know that was true on the B5's. Don't know B7's well enough yet but I'd ask that question.

**aluthman** · 01-28-2015 03:10 PM

Maybe that was it. I just remember reading that something was different.

**chucklando** · 01-28-2015 03:17 PM

I looked into doing this and ended up buying the same car in 6 speed (08 a4). I didn't want to do this at first because I had so many after market parts on my tip but in the end it was cheaper to swap the parts over to a manual car than to convert mine.

The 6mt I bought was mostly stock except for a dtm package, rai dp, and awe exhaust. I bought it, swapped my after market tip parts to the manual, then sold the tip. It was about 2000 in labor and they had both cars for about a week.

I was quoted 5-8000 from two reputable shops just for labor. They said it's possible it's just labor intensive. Redline speed worx said the other issue they run into is getting every nut and bolt they need to do it. They said the smoothest way to do it is to buy a donor car that had been totaled but with intact transmission and use that since every part you need would be there.

Just some food for thought for you. Good luck either way you go with it. I don't regret going the way I did it for a second, I love every time I drive the car and the jhm ss makes it all the better.

**aluthman** · 01-28-2015 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by chucklando

I looked into doing this and ended up buying the same car in 6 speed (08 a4). I didn't want to do this at first because I had so many after market parts on my tip but in the end it was cheaper to swap the parts over to a manual car than to convert mine.

The 6mt I bought was mostly stock except for a dtm package, rai dp, and awe exhaust. I bought it, swapped my after market tip parts to the manual, then sold the tip. It was about 2000 in labor and they had both cars for about a week.

I was quoted 5-8000 from two reputable shops just for labor. They said it's possible it's just labor intensive. Redline speed worx said the other issue they run into is getting every nut and bolt they need to do it. They said the smoothest way to do it is to buy a donor car that had been totaled but with intact transmission and use that since every part you need would be there.

Just some food for thought for you. Good luck either way you go with it. I don't regret going the way I did it for a second, I love every time I drive the car and the jhm ss makes it all the better.

Solid advice right here.

**4rings5stars** · 01-28-2015 07:27 PM

I wasn't aware that the block was different on any audi motor with respect to tranny type. News to me

**audihere06** · 01-28-2015 07:47 PM

The blocks aren't different. The swap has been done on a b6 just not a b7 that i know of. Been looking to do this myself if i ever blow up my zf6hp.

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**vce1232000** · 01-28-2015 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by audihere06

The blocks aren't different. The swap has been done on a b6 just not a b7 that i know of. Been looking to do this myself if i ever blow up my zf6hp.

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The B6 chassis have the 1.8T. The B7 chassis have the 2.0T. 2 Different motors

**audihere06** · 01-28-2015 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by vce1232000

The B6 chassis have the 1.8T. The B7 chassis have the 2.0T. 2 Different motors

I know that i was just saying that it has been done. The b7 and b6 have the same 6 speed manual though.

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**djsp00kyk** · 01-29-2015 06:21 AM

The blocks are the same as far as bolting up the transmissions. I am pretty sure that tips have a different crank than a manual/cvt car. I know cvt and manual have the same crank, as I have done the swap on my cvt, but I cant say positively that tips are different.

**Lastsummer** · 01-29-2015 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by audihere06

I know that i was just saying that it has been done. The b7 and b6 have the same 6 speed manual though.

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Incorrect... certain B6 A4's have the 01E 6spd trans which is used in the B5 S4's as well. The later VIN's for the B6 use the 02X and GJW transmissions. I do believe that the B7 does use the GJW as well though.
So not all B6 transmissions are going to work from my understanding.

**audihere06** · 01-29-2015 09:14 AM

As long as there is a place in the crank for the pilot bearing, it should work

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**audihere06** · 01-29-2015 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by djsp00kyk

The blocks are the same as far as bolting up the transmissions. I am pretty sure that tips have a different crank than a manual/cvt car. I know cvt and manual have the same crank, as I have done the swap on my cvt, but I cant say positively that tips are different.

What all was involved for your swap?

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**djsp00kyk** · 01-29-2015 09:26 AM

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ed-manual-swap

Here is the link. It was pretty involved but not as bad as I thought.

**vce1232000** · 01-29-2015 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by audihere06

As long as there is a place in the crank for the pilot bearing, it should work

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The manual-CVT crankshaft backside bore extrudes out further to accept the pilot bearing. The tiptronic crankshaft has a shorter bore in the crankshaft. I was @ my friends shop today and he had both complete short blocks side by side so I seen the difference today. Ive heard of shops using the manual- CVT motors to replace the tiptronic motors

. But not the other way around

Here's some other links

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ual-Crankshaft

**audihere06** · 01-29-2015 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by vce1232000

The manual-CVT crankshaft backside bore extrudes out further to accept the pilot bearing. The tiptronic crankshaft has a shorter bore in the crankshaft. I was @ my friends shop today and he had both complete short blocks side by side so I seen the difference today. Ive heard of shops using the manual- CVT motors to replace the tiptronic motors

. But not the other way around

Here's some other links

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ual-Crankshaft

This is good to know. Kinda sucks but i guess it confirms that one would need to buy a donor car to do the swap if one were to do it. Are you sure changing the flywheel wouldnt do anything?

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**vce1232000** · 01-29-2015 10:21 PM

Originally Posted by audihere06

Are you sure changing the flywheel wouldnt do anything?

Not to sure Im understanding your question

. The tiptronics have a flex plate and the manual has a flywheel. They will share the same bolt pattern. The problem will come in when you

the pilot bearing into the crankshaft of the tiptronic crankshaft

**audihere06** · 01-29-2015 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by vce1232000

Not to sure Im understanding your question

. The tiptronics have a flex plate and the manual has a flywheel. They will share the same bolt pattern. The problem will come in when you

the pilot bearing into the crankshaft of the tiptronic crankshaft

I got it. Dammit audi why you gotta make separate cranks.

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**vce1232000** · 01-29-2015 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Lastsummer

Incorrect... certain B6 A4's have the 01E 6spd trans which is used in the B5 S4's as well. The later VIN's for the B6 use the 02X and GJW transmissions. I do believe that the B7 does use the GJW as well though.
So not all B6 transmissions are going to work from my understanding.

Im showing B7 6spd manual transmission code are all GVE

... I guess you mite be able to adapt

a B6 transmission in

**derrek** · 01-29-2015 10:40 PM

crank is the same, just swapped a auto motor into a manual car.

**vce1232000** · 01-29-2015 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by derrek

crank is the same, just swapped a auto motor into a manual car.

Really

... Now Im really

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**derrek** · 01-29-2015 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by vce1232000

Really

... Now Im really

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dont remember if it was cvt or quattro though

**vce1232000** · 01-29-2015 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by derrek

dont remember if it was cvt or quattro though

Shops have told me you can use a CVT engine for a manual engine. And a manual or CVT engine for a Tiptronic engine. You just cant use a tiptronic engine for a manual engine
CVT and Tiptronic are different even thou they are automatic's in term's anyway

**projectb7avant** · 01-30-2015 07:12 AM

Any one know if pilot bearing deal will work with 2.0?

**Sales@DriveAuto** · 01-30-2015 02:29 PM

Not sure if you're looking for a shop to do the swap or not, but we've done our fair share of auto to manual swaps (C5 S6's and all roads, B5 S4's, B6 A4's, etc.) - give us a call if we can help!

**audihere06** · 01-31-2015 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sales@DriveAuto

Not sure if you're looking for a shop to do the swap or not, but we've done our fair share of auto to manual swaps (C5 S6's and all roads, B5 S4's, B6 A4's, etc.) - give us a call if we can help!

I live no where near you guys but just out of curiosity what would you ballpark the cost of the swap being?

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**vce1232000** · 02-04-2015 07:19 PM

Here's the link to a classified that states that you will need a manual crankshaft to complete the swap from a tiptronic transmission

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-b7-trans-swap

**audihere06** · 02-04-2015 07:56 PM

Im still not convinced that the auto crank wont work. It makes no sense for audi to make 2 different ones. Especially since 3/4 of their trans (counting two different manuals) come with the same crank. Also that the auto engine can be replaced by a manual engine but not vise versa. I have been researching it and looked at several used engines for sale and none of them specify if it was the "manual crank" or "auto crank". I read the diy for the conversion over on the b6 forum and he had to trim his pilot bearing to fit, but it still worked.

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**vce1232000** · 02-04-2015 08:00 PM

Try it and post back with results

**LINDW4LL** · 02-04-2015 08:25 PM

If it's the same as the 2.7T, then you just have to remove the TC carrier from the crankshaft.

**mccorkled** · 02-05-2015 08:47 AM

I'm still here, I just have nothing to contribute. I am reading though. Keep it going!

**B72011** · 02-05-2015 09:34 AM

Doesnt this just seem like the biggest hassle? Why not just buy another car, swap your go fast, look good parts into the manual---done. Seems like its a $$ pit for dreaming people. I mean if you have all those hours and have all the parts--and maybe your time isnt worth much $$ ---otherwise I would think buying another car and swapping it all out makes more sense.

**LINDW4LL** · 02-05-2015 09:42 AM

It doesn't take that long to swap it. You'll have it done in a day if you know what you're doing and have all of the parts. This is assuming the crank doesn't need to be switched out. If it does, then I agree with you.

As far as money, I guess that depends on the individual's situation as to how many mods they have, how much they can get a 6MT car for, etc... For example, I've seen tip cars for dirt cheap that would easily warrant doing the 6MT swap.

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**audihere06** · 02-05-2015 11:28 AM

I would rather swap mine because I have a low milage all black titanium edition that was meticulously maintained by the previous owner and has no oil consumption. It took me way too long to find a titanium and i wouldnt be able to easily replace it.

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**projectb7avant** · 02-05-2015 02:16 PM

I cant find a definite yes or no on if it will work without swapping crank.

**mccorkled** · 02-05-2015 02:30 PM

I just got off the phone with DriveAuto and they said it would require new axles, crank, etc, etc. I would buy a manual and swap all of my interior parts but I do not have $10,000 to buy another car. I also just paid over $1000 to get my car painted. Plus my car is mint and uses no oil and has no engine problems. I feel like I got lucky with that and I wouldn't want to risk swapping my perfectly running car for a possible lemon. I also just paid to get the timing belt and all of that done.

Reading more of this tutorial it seems like I would not need to swap out the axles at all...

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...nsmission-Swap