Buying Soon! Please Help!! --- Pros / Cons A6 3.0T VS 3.0TDI ??

[socialpro]

Looking to pick up a 2013/2014 A6 for the wife (my daily is a 2013 S4), and we've been debating between the 3.0T (supercharged engine) vs the 3.0 turbo diesel. At first I was ALL for the gas 3.0 supercharged engine (same as S4), but I found a decent deal on a DIESEL version, and We just test drove a diesel today and it seemed like a great engine! Very torquey down low and smooth shifting transmission to boot.

Weve never had a diesel engine before, so aside from the obvious (better gas mileage on diesel, or lower emissions, etc), Does anybody have any pros and cons for one vs the other? Does anybody on here have the TDI engine and what are your thoughts on it? Anything we need to watch out or look out for if we do go the TDI route? What about resale - is the diesel harder to sell? Just curious as the thought of diesel has never crossed our mind before and just wanted to see what some of your thoughts on this are!

This car is not going to be modded/tuned etc...but I do like the fact that it seems that the TDI versions come more loaded, with s-line package standard (correct me if im wrong).

Thanks for all the input!!

[sparky17]

I'm betting the 3.0T is more reliable due to all the emission related crap and turbos on the TDI. Better mileage but also requires adblue fill ups and diesel is much more expensive than gas. Another concern would be that your wife may potentially put gas in it. That would suck. :(

[jared13]

I just went through the same decision process. I came in looking at the gas engine and not even considering the diesel...and walked out with a diesel. Keep in mind, I was making a major transition from an E92 M3 (n-a V8 built entirely for throttle response) to a family car. So this likely warped my view of the gas engine and might have made the diesel more compelling because it wasn't something I could compare to the M V8 (and thus honestly feel disappointed with). So in some way maybe I had to choose really different in order to let the M3 go (growing family, etc...).

Pros of the 3.0TFSI...
supercharger, lag-free power. Smooth, and drama free. Feels like it has more torque than rated. Jumps right off the line and pulls steady. It revs pretty willingly and is deceptively quick. With a light foot it turns pretty good mileage.
Cons...it's kind of boring. It's almost so smooth that it lacks character. It sounds underwhelming. It should come tuned like the S4 in the A6 because then it would feel more compelling. It's generally thirsty, especially when you drive it hard.

Pros of the TDI...obviously the economy. It's not hard to beat the ratings. Even when downright abused it still turns out reasonable economy. It is dynamic. Though it tops out at a pretty low RPM, it too revs willingly. TORQUE feels awesome. The car never lacks for power in any gear during any condition. Plus, it sounds unique and growls nicely when floored. Big economy increase with minimal performance cost. Most people don't realize it's a diesel.
Cons...
If you don't get a deal on it, the price premium over the gas engine makes it a
questionable move. Diesel is a dirty fuel and typically so are the pumps that dispense it (but you won't visit them nearly as often :)). TURBO LAG. As much as the reviews and Audi's propaganda state otherwise, there is noticeable turbo lag when not driving in S mode. Audi is on crack for not bringing the bi-turbo to NA. But the transmission and S mode typically mitigate it. The 240 hp is not just ho-hum for the number, it really should have a bit more power to offset the extra weight of the cast iron block. Torque is not quite enough. The car is a few ticks slower than the gas engine. When launching, it really has a weird sensation of surging torque and then sort of deadness. Again, it's not slow but def feels better in the curves when you can exploit the torque out of the corner vs the nonlinear feeling with a straight launch.

Overall there isn't a bad decision here. The A6 is brilliant for what it is and the engine choices are supreme. I just felt that neither engine was really meant for a sports car. However, both were satisfying and could be quite fun. Around town they have excellent, accessible power. Ultimately I found the diesel to have more character and a uniquess that was lacking in the gas engine. The torque is wickedly fun. And you don't give up much performance for a really incredible fuel economy boost. I averaged 44 mpg at 75 mph over an 80 mile trip when I really paid attention. Crazy for a car this heavy. That seems worth 0.2 seconds to 60 mph in my family car.

But again, really a matter of personal taste. They have made the diesel so easy it's quite like owning a gas engine. Really no gotchas, and really no extra maintenance. There could be some issues with the diesel particulate filter once pushing 100k miles, or if most of your driving is for really short trips where the engine doesn't warm up. But this is a manageable issue and gas has its own comparable considerations in terms of cost. Oh yeah, Ad Blue urea additive is part of the maintanence schedule. It's cheap if you have to do it yourself but you'll likely not have to think about it, especially if you purchase Audi care.

Sorry that was so long, I hope you made it this far and my inputs helped you out. Good luck with the purchase!

[LINDW4LL]

I don't think you can go wrong with either one. The question is, which does your wife prefer; a powerful engine, or great gas mileage? The A6 TDI can easily surpass the EPA ratings, into the 40s, and has more than enough torque for the average driver.

You also have to factor in the higher cost of diesel versus gasoline and the premium that you're likely paying for the diesel equipped model. I also think in the long run the supercharged 3.0T will be cheaper to maintain and more reliable, but that may be a toss up.

[Jprieur]

I came from a B8.5 S4 before picking up my TDI A6. Others have touched on the main points regarding the pros and cons between the 2, and the fact that you really can't go wrong either way.

But the big question though is how and where you drive? Is it mostly in town, interstate, mix?

They way you drive now, do you find yourself winding your car out living mostly in the high rev range for the visceral thrill - go with gas! Or do you like to feel a freight train rush of acceleration within the legal limits for a few seconds without much fuss and reving as you merge onto the interstate from 30 to 65/legal speed limit - go with TDI! Not a full lithmus test, but gets you on the right thought process.

Diesels have a totally different powerband/delivery, and it just depends on how you drive. Where I live, I'm spending most of my time on the interstate between reasonably populated and developed areas, so the only fun I get to have is the occasional stop light punching it till I hit 45 mph, least I get pulled over for speeding! Or the on ramps where I can ramp it up to 65-70 to merge into traffic. So diesel suits my driving style better, the torque comes on immediately and I don't hit speeds (90+) where the diesels runs out of steam compared to the gas with its lower HP. I think most Americans would find that the diesel suits there driving style better as well, but most just don't consider it.

For my money it's the diesel, but just think about how you, or your wife, drive and decide which is best for you. They are both great engines, try them both on your daily driving path and see which one fits better. Listen the the engines too, some folks are put off by the idle noise of the diesel (and you can feel the vibrations at idle through the seat and steering wheel a small amount over the gas). However, flip side is because of its low reving nature, it's actually quieter driving at highway speeds over the gas.

[Kevin1]

I went with the 2015 TDI and could not be happier. The performance of the TDI, it's retained value and its environmentally friendly manner are quite impressive.

June 2014 C&D found that the TDI outperformed the 3.0T

Here are two quotes from the Car and Driver article "And even in Quattro guise and with taller final-drive gearing, the diesel clobbers the gas car to 60 mph, hitting the mark in 5.1 seconds, a half-second quicker than the last A6 3.0T we tested. At least some of that credit goes to the TDI’s Pirelli P Zeros, part of the $1300 Black Optic package (that is itself an add-on to the $1500 Sport package). Through the quarter-mile, the diesel holds the advantage with a 13.9-second elapsed time compared with the gas car’s 14 flat. But the 3.0T’s 101-mph trap speed is 3 mph higher than the TDI’s, showing how the gas car’s wider power band allows it to reel in the diesel once they’re under way."

"Or maybe you’d rather surprise yourself and use this diesel sedan for a satisfying back-road burn. Its lag-free power delivery nicely complements the A6’s imperturbable feel and sense of unmatched solidity, producing a car that does what it’s asked, when it’s asked. The Pirellis helped our Quattro test car gather 0.94 g of stick on the skidpad—again, very respectable for a 4220-pound luxury sedan. And at 70 mph, you’re just 159 feet from a standstill." http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...el-test-review


The retained value of the TDI is greater than the 3.0T according to both Kelley Blue Book and AGL.

I just went on Kelley Blue Book and compared the trade in value of two 2014 Prestige cars equipped exactly the same way except for the engine choices; both with 10,000 miles. The trade in value of the 3.0T was $48,645, while the trade in value of the TDI was $54,463, or $5,818 higher. Considering that the MSRP for the TDI is only $2,400 higher, the owner of a TDI has actually made $3,400 by buying a TDI instead of the 3.0T. In addition to Kelley Blue Book, I also consulted the ALG residual value calculator, which goes out as far as 60 months. ALG predicts that even after 5 years a comparably equipped TDI will still have a resale value of $2,600 more than the 3.0T. In this day and age it is quite impressive that the TDI engine retains more than 100% of the cost of the upgrade even after 5 years!

The Environment

The EPA combined MPG number for the 3.0T is 22MPG, requiring 682 gallons of fuel per year based on 15,000 miles per year and 3,410 gallons over 5 years.

The EPA combined MPG number for the TDI is 29 MPG, requiring 517 gallons of fuel per year based on 15,000 miles per year and 2,585 gallons over 5 years.

As a result, the TDI saves the environment 825 gallons of burned fuel over 5 years. In addition, according to Audi the CO2 emissions on the TDI are 12% less per gallon of burned fuel.


Fuel Cost Savings per U.S. Energy Information Administration

According to the U.S Energy Information Administration, the national average price for Premium Gas for the last 5 years (2010-2015) was $3.73 per gallon, while diesel has averaged $3.71 during the same period. Based on 15,000 miles per year, as discussed above, the 3.0T would have used $12,719.30 in fuel during the last 5 years, while the TDI would have used only $9,590.35 in fuel. So after 5 years the TDI owner saved $3,128.95 in fuel costs. When combined with the $2,600 increase for 5 year resale value according to ALG, as discussed above, the TDI is paying economic dividends all through the ownership period. http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/pet_pri_gnd_dcus_nus_w.htm

Conclusion

So if you are interested in performance, economics and the environment, the TDI is a good choice.

[AKPS4]

dont see anyone mentioning longevity of the diesels but is it true that the diesels will typically last well over 150-200k miles with routine maintenance, while the gas engine may expect more issues? This would only matter if you plan to keep your car for so long or drive such long distances.

[moosehead1]

I was given a 2015 A6 TDI loaner and have been driving her in the mountains this weekend. While the comfort mode is rather slow and boring, in sport this has enough guts to take on high elevation and spirited driving around hairpins.

+1 to Jared13's comments above. I was surprised by the lag and had forgotten about the turbo in the diesel, and it certainly would benefit from twin turbo's as I kept looking for more juice above say 80mph during ascents. The torque eventually showed up but it took a bit and the TDI feels as though it runs a bit lower RPM's and does not down shift as aggressively, not quite sure. The lag also holds on a bit once getting off the gas pedal, and takes a bit to wind down but it was being pressed pretty hard to be fair.

Cannot comment on TDI maintenance, and it should have better history given it has been run by VW and Audi for a while now? The higher cost of diesel takes quite a bit of the diesel zealotry out of the equation - for now. That said, even with a heavy foot in tough high alpine conditions, 28 mpg was not a problem. On the same drive the S7 is getting maybe 20 mpg.

[PB4UGO]

About a year ago now I traded in my 07 RS4 for a '14 TDI. It's like taking a baby from breast milk to vodka straight away!

The TDI is THE best mix of performance and efficiency that you can ask for. The 3.0T is a great motor in its own right, but the TDI clobbers it on OEM performance, fuel mileage, lower operating costs and high re-sale value. The worst gas mileage I've had to date has been 27 MPG (at pump), with the best being 37.7 (at pump). My all around average is 34 MPG. Cost per mile is >.098 and dropping as diesel prices drop. Total amount of diesel consumed to date has been 494 gallons.

I have noted that the cold weather has REALLY affected my fuel mileage. It takes a longer time to warm up the engine given the extremely high thermal efficiency of the diesel. I would estimate the drop has been ~15%.

If you are looking to compare the A6 TDI re-sale, look at the A3 TDI's vs 2.0T versions. The TDI's sell for a higher price on average across the board. I'll echo Jared13's comments as well.

Maintenance...Audi Care FTW. Granted I will still do an oil change myself at 5k miles. Costs me ~$150 in oil and filter w/ shipping. Worth it for long-term ownership. The DIY'er can service the car rather easily, same as the 3.0T. AdBlue is covered with the Audi Care and can be purchased on-line for a decent price.

[socialpro]

WOW - you guys are awesome, a lot of good input here and comparisons.

Much more enthusiasm on here for the TDI then I could have imagined - and makes me that much less scared to pick up the TDI. Its for my wife, and cars power is probably the last on her list (not a heavy foot) - but I cannot do a 4CYL A6 by any means. The only time I would be driving it is on longer trips, and airport runs etc when we need more room (as the S4 can be quite small sometimes to pick up company etc). Outside of that, she mostly only drives in the city.

I will agree that the TDI does feel like it has more 'personality' then the gas version - and coming from my S4 perspective, the car did not feel underpowered under normal driving situations. Gas vs diesel economy and prices is not a major concern, (esp with gas prices the way they are today) - but its def an extra perk to be able to fill up less often. I did notice that the TDI only came out in 2014, so eating a bit more depreciation then picking up a 2013 or 2012 gas version. The initial price outlay is of minimal concern as long as the TDI holds its value up better than the gas. We typically buy newer low mileage cars and keep them for 1-3 years before switching up - so this A6 will probably never see more than 50K or so before we let go of it.

Im trying to work out a deal on a 2014 daytona gray TDI right now (20k miles) and we will see how that pans out, will keep everyone posted!

Oh one more thing - did anybody ever have difficulty finding diesel at a gas station? On trips or around their neighborhood? Can we safely go cross country in a diesel without running out of fuel???

[agent47]

Oh one more thing - did anybody ever have difficulty finding diesel at a gas station? On trips or around their neighborhood? Can we safely go cross country in a diesel without running out of fuel???

I dont think that would be a problem at all. Even with gas, the lowest I went on my tank was 100mi to E, only once- trying to be safe and filling up before it dries down. You should be able to get diesel at almost all of the shell gas stations on the highway- yeah shell is a little more expensive than others but I never go to any other gas station- might be a whim but I suppose shell tops the other brands.

[Kevin1]

Oh one more thing - did anybody ever have difficulty finding diesel at a gas station? On trips or around their neighborhood? Can we safely go cross country in a diesel without running out of fuel???

I have found that approximately 2/3 of the gas stations in my area also carry diesel, so running out of fuel is not a concern. Plus with a 700 mile highway range you don't need fuel that often.

[sap_pete]

I had a TDI loaner last year, and while it might have been the specific car, software version or whatever, I found the lag/hesitation when accelerating out of tight turns to be unbearable.
I went with the 3.0T and couldn't be happier. Don't care about resale value or economy (don't drive enough to have it make a huge difference), but everybody's priorities are different.

[agent47]

I had a TDI loaner last year, and while it might have been the specific car, software version or whatever, I found the lag/hesitation when accelerating out of tight turns to be unbearable.
I went with the 3.0T and couldn't be happier. Don't care about resale value or economy (don't drive enough to have it make a huge difference), but everybody's priorities are different.

Thats my pet-peeve. I almost got rear ended once because of the same issue. Traffic slowed down in my lane all of a sudden and I swicthed to the left lane and nailed it to get up to speed, all I felt was a big breather, saw a car flying down at mr and then the car surged forward. I still love the TDI though. If they could get the twin turbo

[67ITB]

Bought a 2014 A6 TDI Prestige S-line in June, I have put just over 21K miles on it, mostly commuting to and from work. I do about 30% city, 70% Hwy, and typically see 34-35 MPG at the fill up. (MMI always indicates higher, but the math at the pump can’t lie!)

Car is still bone stock, other than snow tires and wheels.

Torque is awesome, MPG Awesome, ride is smooth and quiet!

Only issue I had is the cover on the cup holders hangs up when you open it. (Dealer has replaced under warranty)

On a recent longer distance road trip (350miles each way) I got 39.8 MPG at the fill up, with an indicated 42.2 MPG on the MMI. I drive fast, but smooth, and I am not flooring it at every opportunity.

Mileage has been down a little in the winter, I just assume it’s a combination of the warming up, and the winter mix of fuel in my area, and maybe some additional rolling resistance of the snow tires.

At idle, with the windows open it is just a little louder than a typical luxury gas car, but it’s not like a diesel truck at all. You do NOT need to shut it off at the drive thru for the clerk to actually hear you like my Ford truck. I have had a few coworkers standing next to the running car, talking to me sitting in the car and say “I thought you were going to get the TDI”
When I reply “I did” they are all amazed how quiet it is.

I have never noticed the diesel smell. (Other than getting some on my hand once at the pump!)

I would say about 80% of the stations in my area have diesel, so never an issue finding it. I have noticed in my area there has been up to .40 a gallon difference in the same town on the same day!
This is kind of strange if you think about it, when gas stations are typically within a few cents of each other.

I have been very happy with the car so far. As someone mentioned I would worry about my wife putting gasoline in it! If I had ever let her drive it!







Matt

[moosehead1]

OP, another thought, despite this not being intended for modding, it is begging for more aggressive 20" wheels and a drop to firm up the handling a bit. Admittedly, that could probably hold true for any stock vehicle IME. Good luck.

[/dev/null]

I had the same argument with myself in September '13 when the TDI just hit the market. I drove one at the local dealer and that made the decision tight there. While it was our first ever diesel, the fact that the thing will snap you into the back-seat, AND it doesnt sound like a truck sold me immediately. I ordered an A6 prestige TDI for my wife (or shall I say SHE ordered the car) that was pretty loaded up. We have 17k on it now and absolutely love it. Very smooth, quiet - adn honestly who cares that diesel costs more than premium... I dont have to fill up for some 600+ miles each time (in reality its closer to 450 as I dont let it get empty).

I do my own maintenance - its really simple to work on the thing as well. Adblue while a consideration - Ive only topped it up once, and getting the stuff is easy... I simply order oil, filters, and Adblue from Europaparts and its here in a couple days.

As you said, no mods - I have seen that "oil burners" can get a chip, but I havent done it either (nor do I have any serious plans to mod my wifes car). Quite simply, the thing just runs great. Either way I dont think youll go wrong, just something about an "oil burner" with the torque that Id do all over again when it comes time to upgrade!

[socialpro]

OP, another thought, despite this not being intended for modding, it is begging for more aggressive 20" wheels and a drop to firm up the handling a bit. Admittedly, that could probably hold true for any stock vehicle IME. Good luck.

The one I am looking at has the sport package and black optic package with the 20" 5 spoke wheels. That part is more for me - the wife would be OK with a 'base' A6, but I like the way the 20s look on there, and the sport suspension is a must. Also has side assist and LED headlights.

I am bummed that bang & olufsen is hard to find on an A6 (this one has bose) and that its a much more expensive option then it was on the S4s (seems like almost every one came with bang and olufsen). Whats up with that? And are those LED headlights worth it or noticeable difference at all driving over the xenons? Are you guys happy with the Bose that comes in here? Bose overall is decent, while never overly impressive, it does do a good job of playing 'music'. Any reliability issue (I know 2014 is still relatively new) with the TDI so far? Glitches, bugs, software issues?

Any other options thats a must on an A6?

Im loving all the newer audis and thinking of stepping up my 2013 S4 soon to an S7 or Cayenne Turbo just to try something new. I believe the S4 is the best all around car Ive owned, just does everything so well. Hope we're just as happy with the TDI A6

[jared13]

So far, I haven't noticed any issues with my '15 TDI. I have a little under 900 mi so far (and one month in) but initial quality seems pretty top notch.

I second the sport package, and black optics. It looks awesome. I went for a smoking deal on an end of year sale and the two options I couldn't get were the sport package and black optics...mainly because I wanted a TDI and my wife insisted on the Driver Assistance Package. For some reason I couldn't find the exact configuration. So, now I'm working on lowering the car and getting rid of the damn chrome! But I have to say, driver assistance is pretty nice. Radar cruise works nicely, and I really like the top down/corner cameras. Some people don't like them much, but I find them incredibly handy. No excuse for curbing the rims!

The Bose is OK. It's not the best system I've had but the BO was too rich for my taste. In a CPO, I would try to snag it though. Overall, I find the Bose pretty adequate given that most source material isn't that high quality anyway. I listened to a DVD audio disc on the Bose today, and it was pretty clean but found myself wanting more. Oh well, that's what my home system is for. I wouldn't let the sound system ruin a good deal if the car has everything else you want, but that's just me. Oh yeah, and the LED headlights are pretty baller. Not just for looks, they are sick at night.

Lastly, I have to say that my only real disappointment with the car is the Audi MMI. I thought it was supposed to be amazing but I find it to be way behind the '12 BMW I came from. There are so many awesome apps and features on iDrive that MMI just doesn't have. I don't want to thread jack but I think Audi is way, way behind in this regard and I'm kind of pissed I didn't realize it during the car buying process. The system looks flashy and the integration with the dash and HUD is great. But when you get to smartphone integration, apps, telematics, etc there are so many things lacking. Maybe I'm missing something but damn. Audi had a good showing at CES but I doubt any of those new features will make their way into our cars. Bummer.

[Kevin1]

Here is my take on the options in my own TDI:

Prestige Package

Full LED lights - a huge improvement over the xenons in my C6
Power tilt and telescoping steering wheel - convenient for getting my middle age body in and out of the car
Heads Up Display - good option, much easier to follow the navigation directions, wish it showd more information
Four Zone Climate - it was a must for me because it gives you digital controls instead of the cheap looking display on the other models
Ventilated Seats - it's not air conditioned, but it does help on long trips
Comforts seats - much more comfortable than the standard seats
Window shades - power rear share is great when the sun is rising or setting, side shades make passengers happy


Sports Package

Lowered suspension - an absolute must for appearance and handling
Paddle Shifters - a good option and fun when you want to have a spirited drive
19" tires - improves looks and handling, without sacrificing the ride quality with the 20" tires


Driver Assistance Package

Appearance - the nose of the car looks MUCH better
Active Lane Assist - it's fun watching the car steer itself, but usually I have it turned off
Adaptive Cruise Control - a great option since I live in a metropolitan area with a lot of traffic
Top and corner cameras - a great option for parking and keeping an eye on the kids and dogs
Distance Sensor - warns me when I am tailgating and has hit the brakes a few times in the last 6 months
Pre-sense - could save my life some day

Cold weather package

Heated steering wheel - makes the cold mornings warm and toasty
Rear heated seats - passengers appreciate it


Night Vision Assistant with pedestrian detection

It's a fun gadget that would be better if the information was projected through the heads up display

Black Headliner

Depending on the interior colors, it is an absolute must

[/dev/null]

Socialpro, my wifes has LED's (they are fantastic in my opinion), the sports package (lowered and 19" wheels) and most every option EXCEPT the B&O system (very similar to Kevin1's car above). I ordered the car a year ago and the cost of the B&O I just couldn’t justify. Somewhere on this bard is a thread of a custom audio install done by someone near Seattle sometime late '13. For the ~6k that the B&O would cost I figured I could do something similar should I want to burn some money. The Bose sound fine for my ears.

[MileMan402]

I guess I'll add my experience here also...

I had a '14 A6 tdi for a little over 3 months and thoroughly enjoyed it. Put 6k miles on it in that time, 85% highway & 15% center city PHL, and was averaging 38 on the long term computer.

As for turbo lag - I thought the variable vane turbo did a good job compared to other diesel cars I've driven, but in the city I was in Sport 99% on the time.

I only got rid of it because I got an S6 instead , but if I was going to get another A6 it would be a diesel Prestige with sport package and comfort seats - I loved it.

[socialpro]

I guess I'll add my experience here also...

I had a '14 A6 tdi for a little over 3 months and thoroughly enjoyed it. Put 6k miles on it in that time, 85% highway & 15% center city PHL, and was averaging 38 on the long term computer.

As for turbo lag - I thought the variable vane turbo did a good job compared to other diesel cars I've driven, but in the city I was in Sport 99% on the time.

I only got rid of it because I got an S6 instead , but if I was going to get another A6 it would be a diesel Prestige with sport package and comfort seats - I loved it.

Thanks for the input, the only other diesel I have drove was the cayenne diesel - and for running around town it was great.

How would I know if the TDI prestige Im looking at has the comfort seats? Or do they all have it?

[MileMan402]

Just look at some pictures, they're easy to spot. It'll also have the seat cooling button below the heated seat button.

[socialpro]

Just look at some pictures, they're easy to spot. It'll also have the seat cooling button below the heated seat button.

Im not sure what 'comfort seats' look like, but the car does have cooled seats!

[Kevin1]

Im not sure what 'comfort seats' look like, but the car does have cooled seats!

The comfort seats are part of the prestige package, so if it is a prestige then you have them. Plus the ventilated seats are only available with the comfort seats.

[moosehead1]

+1 get the comfort seats, the TDI A6 loaner I had was with the basic seats and my arse was sliding all over the place.

[socialpro]

*Update* Agreed on a deal today on the Daytona Gray 2014 TDI. Flying tomorrow night to Los Angeles to pick it up on Saturday driving it back to Phoenix! I know the car isn't for 'myself' but still excited for something new and for another audi to join the family. Will be nice to feel out a diesel engine as well, as everyone that has owned one is a convert :)

This TDI is replacing a G37 sedan - which in itself is an excellent everyday car - but its no audi! Will post pictures once I'm back!

Question: Has anybody ever replaced the interior trim in the A6/A7? How hard / pricey is it to do that?

[socialpro]

Also - are all diesel A6s equipped with the auto start-stop function? I have read through a few reviews how because of the diesel engine noise it is obvious when engine turns on and off...is there any way to permanently disable it??

[Jprieur]

Also - are all diesel A6s equipped with the auto start-stop function? I have read through a few reviews how because of the diesel engine noise it is obvious when engine turns on and off...is there any way to permanently disable it??

There is a button for it on the center console. Once you turn it off it stays off. Turned mine off before I pullled out of the dealer the day I bought it and it's never been on since. Don't like it.

[socialpro]

There is a button for it on the center console. Once you turn it off it stays off. Turned mine off before I pullled out of the dealer the day I bought it and it's never been on since. Don't like it.

OK great - so happy its not a 'turn off' every time you get into the car thing - and that once off it stays off actually works!

[Kevin1]

Congrats on joining the TDI club!

[PB4UGO]

Also - are all diesel A6s equipped with the auto start-stop function? I have read through a few reviews how because of the diesel engine noise it is obvious when engine turns on and off...is there any way to permanently disable it??

I'd suggest using it as it does save a good bit of fuel! Once you learn to modulate the brake pedel, you can control with ease when the Auto-Stop is active.

Congrats on the TDI!!

[Kevin1]

*Update* Agreed on a deal today on the Daytona Gray 2014 TDI. Flying tomorrow night to Los Angeles to pick it up on Saturday driving it back to Phoenix!

Looking forward to seeing pictures and your report on how you like the TDI from LA to Phoenix. You should be able to make the trip on about half a tank!

[McFuzz]

I picked up a 2014 Prestige S-Line TDI today; traded our 2012 Passat with half a Bentley Flying Spur engine (ok not really but it is the VR6 model). The Passat, coupled with a DSG transmission was, quite surprisingly, a peppy car and was mainly driven by my wife who (again, surprisingly), wanted something with moar powah over the Camry she used to drive. We recently moved and our joint commute (yay for having offices half a mile away from each other) has lengthened; consumption on the Passat was meh at best and I dislike driving my GTI in Bay Area traffic.

We were debating between purchasing a Volt and trading in my GTI, or trading in the Passat and getting an A6 TDI or 535d. Luckily, we went with the latter option and, due our mutual dislike of the BMW's interior (though I think the exterior is quite pleasing on the eyes), we decided to go with the Audi.

I have, so far, driven it only for about 5 miles but those during those 5 miles from the dealership to my house I've averaged 35 MPG; that's more than I've ever gotten in any of my cars save for our old 2003 Camry that did 38 MPG on a road trip in San Diego with some tail wind. Whatever reservations I had for making the purchase (I can't say I am used to dropping the sum I did on the A6 despite getting a killer deal) completely evaporated.

Oh, and the butt chillers are a god-send for my hairy-ass-leather-hating self.

[socialpro]

Got back late last night from LA - and that city in itself is a monster, it takes over an hour of freeway driving just to get out of the 'city'! Anyways - deal went smooth, had the car by 10AM and spent a few hours in LA frolicking the beach.

INITIAL IMPRESSIONS: Car is gorgeous in person. Daytona Gray Pearl (WOW under ANY light condition), Prestige (S-Line package), with the Black Optics, LED lights and the 20" wheels is a force to be reckoned with. It is by far the sexiest (IMO) A6 combination you can get from the factory. The car looks BIG. Turn the car on, almost a hardly fainted diesel grunt (barely audible inside, and I actually kind of like it because new cars idle so quietly you do not know if they are alive or not when you turn them on). Here you know the car is on and ready to hit the pavement.

CITY DRIVING: Around town, the car rides ridiculously smooth, even on the 20" wheels. Steering is light, and artificial - but on center and does what its asked to. The sport suspension setup is great. It is not in any way harsh or firm, but does a good job holding corners in a twisty or around a turn.

If you do not look back over your shoulder, the car does not drive as big as it looks/IS. I have noticed the ounce of hesitation when you first mash the pedal - but you get used to it very quick, and know how to manipulate the car after a few stops. Around town it is always ready to go of any light or at any speed - just give it some GAS - the torque is awesome and a perfect match around town.

HIGHWAY DRIVING: OMG. This is where the car SHINES. The car is like a freight trane always ready for MORE. It just floats with such ease and comfort - it is hard to restrain yourself. At around 85-90MPH, you are still doing until 2K revolutions. That is AMAZING. The 8spd transmission mated to the DIESEL is a PERFECT combination for a car this size IMO. At 75 the car barely feels alive, and almost asking you when are you going to PUSH ME!! There is always power available to pass at any speed on the highway in any gear, and it just gets up and GOES. It is nice for a change to not have to rev a car out to its MAX to get the power going. So in summary for the engine/ride - I am beyond impressed of what audi did with the A6. I have no hesitations on making the right decision picking the TDI over the supercharged engine. Oh and the MPG...around 35MPG - did not do exact calculations yet - but YES , lets not forget the great gas mileage!!! Car again feels VERY SOLID and SAFE at highway speeds.

OTHER NOTES: Everything else is very Audi - quality and craftsmaship. I enjoy the extra room the A6 has over the S4. Seats were very comfortable over the long ride , and a bit more plush then the S. All the controls and knobs and dials have the same great feedback weve come to love in the AUDIs. The LED lights are phenomenal at night on a dark road. I was not sold on this new 'gimmick' (I liked them for the looks) - but the light output is just phenomenal. I dont know if I would of paid the $1400 for them brand new - but on a pre owned car I think its a MUST. I would rate the BOSE as good. It does a great job playing music - but lacks crispness and depth I hear in my bang and olufsen S4. Cooled seats are awesome - just to get a bit of a breeze going around your body lol. Trunk space is ENORMOUS.

Not sure if I forgot to mention anything!

CONCLUSION: This car is GREAT. I would recommend the A6 TDI to anybody in a heartbeat. There is really nothing I can think of to change for this vehicle. They made a somewhat standard (medium - large midsize car) a BLAST to DRIVE under various conditions. All the YOUTUBE reviews were spot on as well. The only thing I would disagree with is some reviewers overemphasized the sound you hear from the diesel into the cabin. I did not find that true - and if windows are closed you would be VERY hard to discern the sound from a gas engine except to a trained listening ear. On the freeway even less so, and thank to the diesel 8 speed cruising at <2K rpm, there is much LESS engine noise then pretty much ANY(?) gas engine counterpart.

A week AGO when I first posted this - Diesel was NOT even a consideration (boy how quickly things change!!). You guys helped me make the correct decision and very happy with the choice. OH and WIFE is thrilled with her new A6 as well :) :)

Is the A6 a car enthusiast CAR? While many aspects of it appeal to a car enthusiast - it is not quite an S car. The handling and suspension is softened, you feel the size of the car under various conditions and the power is great for normal driving - but will not win any 1/4 mile drag races. BUT for someone who is not into super high performance or racing (wife) this blend of compromise the A6 TDI offers is bar none the BEST I have been in - in the luxury mid-size sedan class.

As far as MOD - The car needs TINT asap and a feasible solution to covering up the HOLES in the front grill (no front plate required in AZ). Other then that car looks great STOCK as those wheels almost perfectly match the color of the car, and the 20s suit the car perfect.

FEW THINGS NOTICED: I noticed when sun was setting that the windshield is about 3/4 lightly tinted. The 1/4 on the bottom of the windshield is left clear, I am presuming for night driving and it kind of matches where the LED light cutoff is. Can others confirm this? I am assuming the tint is to reduce glare or block some of the sun when its shining directly in. Also - took me a bit of fumbling to figure out how to add BLUETOOTH to the media choices, you have to enable audio streaming through the PHONE option. I had a mini panic attack for a second thinking I cannot stream bluetooth through the stereo, but all glad its sorted now. The start - stop feature if ENABLED (thank god its a permanent off with the button) is definitely abrupt and will not be enabled. The a6 looks MASSIVE in the garage next to the S4. I did not realize the discrepancy in size between the two. The S4 looks like a midget now.

Now we got 2 audis in the Family and driving this back made me get used to all the room in the A6 which will be hard to go back to driving my S4 now. Maybe I foresee an S7 in the near future ;)

[Kevin1]

Welcome to the TDI club!

[KrUsTyX]

Ok, can you please stop, i still have a year to go on my old A6, i don't want to change yet!! STOP IT! :)

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Told ya so (that you’d love the car)!

[austintg]

I'm betting the 3.0T is more reliable due to all the emission related crap and turbos on the TDI. Better mileage but also requires adblue fill ups and diesel is much more expensive than gas. Another concern would be that your wife may potentially put gas in it. That would suck. :(

Now diesel is the same cost as gas, bucees sells adblue for almost nothing, and the VW group is on the hook for all maintenance through 120k miles( mine has 30k right now). Also, wives are capable of knowing proper fueling procedures. Come on now.