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    Why does our US LED tail lights lack the amber color?

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    I pointed this out on Audiworld but I'm not sure people there are getting it.


    Why out of all the territories, we get slapped with the ugly stick of all red tail lights.
    It's not even a government requirement for only red in the tail. It's red or amber for the rear turn signal.
    http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations...section/393.11

    Look at these videos. I assumed my A3 was like the cars below until I went out yesterday to check and confirm and to my surprise, we have no amber on our tail lights. Its bad enough they programmed our Bi-Xenon DRL to turn off when the signals are on, which makes the car look awkward (and no the A3s in the other regions don't do this). But now this just adds to the list of unnecessary compromises Audi did to the US A3.

    This A3 Sportback after 0:55 in :




    This A3 saloon/limousine after 0:58:



    This A3 saloon is in Mexico, look after 1:11 :



    US S3 and future RS3 owners you too are affected by this as well!
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    here is at least somewhat explanation to the concern you have posted and might give you some explanation by user on another vw forum which is primary similar can be applied in Audi

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    Like so many of the readers in these forums over the years, I had always wondered why VW (and other automakers) would go through the trouble of changing the rear turn signals from amber to red on some of their North American models. This practice has been especially prevalent over the last 10 years or so. If the USA and Canada allow either amber or red rear turn signals, while all of the rest of the world (outside of North America) mandates only amber rear signals, then why change them to red for North America in the first place?

    The answer, in most cases, is actually a legal one. While the USA and Canada allow either amber or red rear turn signals, there is also a minimum size requirement in effect. This size requirement does not exist outside of North America.

    The minimum size requirement applies to rear turn signals, as well as brake lights (even if the brake lights are not used as turn signals). This is a law that has been in effect in the USA (and Canada) since the mid 1950s. Back then, many vehicle models had very small tail lights, which could be hard to see until you were literally right up on them! So the US forced automakers to design bigger tail light assemblies, which were more visible to other drivers, by legislating a minimum size requirement. The size requirement is based on a concept called EPLLA (Effective Projected Luminous Lens Area), which states that the minimum illuminated size of a rear turn signal (or brake light) must be at least 50 cm squared (or 7- 3/4 in squared). If this size requirement is not met, then automakers are forced to change the rear turn signals in order to comply.

    This is the case in certain models like the mk5 Rabbit/GTI, the mk7 Golf/GTI, late model Tiguans, and late model CCs, for example.

    In Mexico, either amber or red rear turn signals are allowed, but there is NO size requirement like in the US and Canada. Therefore, some of the models sold in Mexico (like the mk5 GTI, and the mk7 Golfs) still have the original amber rear signals fitted for that market.

    In all of the rest of the world (outside of North America), amber rear turn signals have been mandated by law for many, many decades. Just look at the old VW Beetle as an example. European versions were first fitted with amber rear signals beginning with the 1962 model year. Overseas, there is no size requirement for rear turn signals, as long as the signals meet legal requirements for brightness and light intensity. That is why automakers often use halogen bulbs, or even LEDs, for tail lights with smaller turn signal sizes.

    US and Canadian laws are older, and do not take turn signal brightness into consideration. Instead, US law concentrates primarily on minimum illuminated size.

    In some cases, however, the change is made in order to reduce the vehicle's selling price. Incandescent bulb lamps, or single color LEDs, are cheaper than Bi-color LEDs. Such is the case on mk5 Jettas, B6 Passats, and the Eos.

    Statistically, amber turn signals are shown to be safer, because they are more quickly recognized by the human brain, from farther away, to be signaling lamps, especially if the brake lights are also illuminated. However, the minimum size requirement in the US and Canada does somewhat compensate for this at times.

    But I'm not here to debate which setup is better. I simply wanted to educate everyone as to why automakers sometimes change the rear turn signals on their North American models.
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    Wonder if we can retro fit the euro amber tails? Also anyone have a pic of the difference between the LED headlights and the xenons??

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    why do you want/need the amber bulbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tico View Post
    why do you want/need the amber bulbs?
    Because they look better.
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    I'd say personal preference. The "wink" on the DRLs can be disabled with vagcom.

    I prefer the amber tails too for some reason, still have em on my B5

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamegenie View Post
    Because they look better.
    then get aftermarket and be happy.

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    Wow, someone actually asking for amber in their lights. I think most of us here are typically trying to get rid of it. Strange days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyquattro View Post
    Wow, someone actually asking for amber in their lights. I think most of us here are typically trying to get rid of it. Strange days.
    exactly but amber is an option so some people will like them.

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    Yes you can retrofit euro tails
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    I don't see how anyone could look at their A3 8V or S3 8V tail light with the turn signals or emergency blinkers on and be like "yeah that looks right".

    The red dots blend right into the running red LED tail.

    The amber on the other hand stands out, gets your attention.


    Who would look at this (jump to 0:38) below and be like I want to get rid of it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tico View Post
    then get aftermarket and be happy.
    do you know a good site selling these specific parts?
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    Audifirst--thank you for your comprehensive and accurate explanation of the rear red tail light situation. In reply to another poster's query, the amber lights don't show on more modern Audis; they only appear amber when illuminated (you can see the same effect on various Range Rovers). Similarly, my B6 A4 had amber turn signals, but they appeared white until lit.

    When I drove a Q5 in Ireland this summer I checked the rear lamps; they looked red but the turn signals lit as amber.

    Also, the reason the DRLs turn off when turning on the turn signal is because the DOT mandates that if the DRLs are of a certain brightness they must turn off when signaling so that the turn signal is more visible.

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    The North American models will generally have a red turn signal along with a brake and/or taillight that blinks with the turn signal when activated. Audi decided to keep the turn signal red so it matches with the other lights that blink. In the Rest of World (RoW) models which you see videos of they will have a discrete orange turn signal.

    http://europrice.us/headlights-a3-s3-led-722

    The link above is for the taillights and proper plugs which must be swapped on for fitment. The taillights themselves will fit and work, but to get the discrete turn signal some coding or adaptation changes will be needed. I have yet to work with an owner on the coding which may be an adaptation change or an actual coding change.

    If someone would like to work on the project and receive discounted pricing on the taillights don't hesitate to PM or email: [email protected]

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    I'm glad it doesn't have it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonie View Post
    I'm glad it doesn't have it.
    sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex@Europrice View Post
    The North American models will generally have a red turn signal along with a brake and/or taillight that blinks with the turn signal when activated. Audi decided to keep the turn signal red so it matches with the other lights that blink. In the Rest of World (RoW) models which you see videos of they will have a discrete orange turn signal.

    http://europrice.us/headlights-a3-s3-led-722

    The link above is for the taillights and proper plugs which must be swapped on for fitment. The taillights themselves will fit and work, but to get the discrete turn signal some coding or adaptation changes will be needed. I have yet to work with an owner on the coding which may be an adaptation change or an actual coding change.

    If someone would like to work on the project and receive discounted pricing on the taillights don't hesitate to PM or email: [email protected]

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonie View Post
    I'm glad it doesn't have it.
    As am I.

    I can guarantee that If our cars came with amber blinkers, the same people would be clamoring for red.

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    If Audi released the A3 in it's pure concept form. You're telling me you would be upset they went with those amber blinkers worldwide instead of doing so with the rest of the world except US? Sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gamegenie View Post
    If Audi released the A3 in it's pure concept form. You're telling me you would be upset they went with those amber blinkers worldwide instead of doing so with the rest of the world except US? Sure.
    Not if the orange color is visible all the time like on the pic of the older A4 above. That's what I was thinking what you meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoonie View Post
    Not if the orange color is visible all the time like on the pic of the older A4 above. That's what I was thinking what you meant.
    each video I posted including the time marker was what I am referring to. They are all amber lit rear tail lights on the production A3 and A3 Concept.
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    The way the Rest of World (RoW) taillights work is that the turn signal appears red when it is not activated. When you turn on your turn signal or hazard ONLY the turn signal will blink and it will blink orange.

    This is done for European and other countries worldwide regulations to have a singular orange turn signal for safety. So when you hit the brakes the brake light stays solid while an orange turn signal blinks above it. Some people prefer this, some do not.

    In North America we have a red turn signal when inactive and active. The reason we have a red turn signal is because it is coupled with the red brake light when it blinks. For whatever reason in North America regulators feel a turn signal should be larger than a signal bulb or LED plus they prefer the brake light to blink in conjunction with the turn signal versus staying solid. Possibly helping to ensure that during braking drivers here are more aware that the car in front is turning. Personally I see no need for it and find the RoW taillights much better looking and simpler.

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    "Why do we get amber corners on the headlights!"

    "Why DON't we get amber light on the tailights!"

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