Big Turbo Tunes...Motoza, UM, etc

[kneel]

Hello all its been many moons since I have posted a thread in here!

Been super busy with life work, and kids/ being a dad etc. I drifted off somewhere after my best friend was killed in a motorcycle accident. But have since found a new path and looking to get the #BTA4Avant back to good running condition and looking proper once again.

She has been rebuilt with:

AMU Block, forged crank, forged 20mm pistons, 20mm rods
AMB Head (no plans to go AEB as I don't see my setup needs that)
Comp Turbo CT5147 (530hp rating) 3.5" Billet inlet and wheel
Still running the PSI manifold except its been ported and polished
Still running the PSI DP
all new(er) Neuspeed exhaust. No need for a 3" DP back exhaust. Flow is pefect from 3" at flange and tappers down to 2.75" then down to 2.5" at neuspeed DP
034 Big FMIC (Garret 600hp core w/ 2.5" piping)
Tial 38mm WG w/open dump (this will be routed eventually into exhaust)
Forge 004 BOV (replacing soon, going full retard! SLEEPER)
630cc Injectors (looking to replace)
3"maf


Anyway car has been broken in now with 7,000 miles and looking to get a better TUNE other than the REVO Stg3 file. Its been great at 18-20psi and feel the setup could really benefit from a 20+psi tune. Most likey looking for a 25psi tune. I need reliable, YET safe tune. Car has gone thur lots and its full of potential with the new motor.

Motoza: I see lots of F21 tunes and even GTRS 550cc files form Motoza on the 1.8t's. HOW IS THE TUNE.....those with it?
WHO HAS A LARGER TURBO RUNNING Motoza? Thoughts etc

United Motorsports: Is a tune I was really looking to do. But seems they want a one off custom tune, and hour and hours of tuning on a Dyno. Not looking for that type of commitment or the $$ for that.

Maestro: heard nothing but horror stories about customer service and I am not good with that self tuning shit, NOR do I wan to be.

If there is an OTS tune, or even something close to one off custom I'm interested. Logging I can do (long as you tell me what banks to log)


Thanks for looking and looking forward to once again posting and contributing to the AZ community

[A4OrlandoB6]

Good to see you around Neil, I'm sorry to hear about your friend.

Motoza is letting me down with customer service. I've been waiting almost a month to hear back from them in regards to logs I sent. But my tune is smooth and super driveable (T3 @ 18psi with PSI manifold, plans to build) but block is stock so it should be a somewhat conservative tune. But when it's time for a major revision, I may not be sticking with them. Something to keep in mind.

[kneel]

Good to see you around Neil, I'm sorry to hear about your friend.

Motoza is letting me down with customer service. I've been waiting almost a month to hear back from them in regards to logs I sent. But my tune is smooth and super driveable (T3 @ 18psi with PSI manifold, plans to build) but block is stock so it should be a somewhat conservative tune. But when it's time for a major revision, I may not be sticking with them. Something to keep in mind.

Thanks Dave.
What turbo setup do you have? Injectors etc.

[A4OrlandoB6]

Bosch 550's, stock pump for now, MAF, external WG open dump

[theboss]

I've done a couple different tunes w motoza working up to my current... All were super smooth w good drive ability! With that said I have also had fast responses and sometimes drawn out periods without any. Definitely a good tune for the price just needs more people screening emails to let you know when you'll get a modded file.

[kneel]

^ thanks for feed back!

Any one with larger injectors/larger turbos tuned by Motoza?

[jjvwg]

I've had both a maestro tune and now a motoza tune on my gtrs setup. with maestro it basically comes down to knowing someone that has the knowledge to tune cars and familiar with the software to get you setup. i went through a local shop that has tuned many cars with maestro, but in the end they did a poor job with it and I'm lucky my rods survived. i have my cable for sale in the classifieds if you were to choose that route and wanted to save some money. couldnt be happier with my motoza tune. as someone above said, i too had some periods of very fast communication with dave and other times slower communication. when it came down to it though, even the basefile ran great and the logs were looking good too. at that point it was just tweaking some smaller areas but it didn't hinder me in anyway from enjoying my car and i still ended up with a custom tune!

[FrankenA4]

I too am running a FrankenTurbo with 550's and Motoza, I've been a bit frustrated with his response time as well. I'm on week 3.5 now of waiting for a revision on some logs. While I fully understand that we're just finishing with a lot of holidays, it's irritating as hell to not get a thing back. I can say that the one tune I have received is incredibly smooth. The car adjusted very nicely over to it within about 15 min and the conservative 14 PSI it's on right now feels fantastically more linear than the 26 PSI on the very old tune and not as great engine.

[Fast4esT]

im running unitronic 630cc tune with a gt2871 elim turbo at 26psi and am happy with it, it is very smooth, wish it was less linear. no problems with it

[kneel]

im running unitronic 630cc tune with a gt2871 elim turbo at 26psi and am happy with it, it is very smooth, wish it was less linear. no problems with it

why less linear? isn't that what we all want from a turbo?

[Seerlah]

Neil, we have almost the same sized turbo. I have a CT2 5152 triplex rated at same HP. Running it at 25psi currently on the Eurodyne Suite. Building head, will max out 93 (adding other stuff for safety reasons), then crack 400WHP with meth. Next years plan. Also having a custom tubular manifold built, in case you want my old setup. That mani you have is going to be a huge restriction with your new turbo.

[kneel]

Neil, we have almost the same sized turbo. I have a CT2 5152 triplex rated at same HP. Running it at 25psi currently on the Eurodyne Suite. Building head, will max out 93 (adding other stuff for safety reasons), then crack 400WHP with meth. Next years plan. Also having a custom tubular manifold built, in case you want my old setup. That mani you have is going to be a huge restriction with your new turbo.

it might be, but we ported and polished it while was off car. I'm not looking for "the fastest or most HP" I just wan to have fun with it. I need a good tune to push what I have already on the car. You know how I drive, I don't fuckin care about HP/dyno numbers.

[Seerlah]

It's not even that. If you look at the design, the exhaust pulses (flow) will basically hit a brick wall where the WG is, then has to shot like a straight 90* downwards. Your EGTs will skyrocket and it will deter performance. It was fine for your last turbo. But this one flows more air.

[kneel]

It's not even that. If you look at the design, the exhaust pulses (flow) will basically hit a brick wall where the WG is, then has to shot like a straight 90* downwards. Your EGTs will skyrocket and it will deter performance. It was fine for your last turbo. But this one flows more air.

well when you coin up and purchase the products to change my setup i'll change it. I'm also externally gated too with open dump. No walls to hit

I sent detailed info to Comp Turbo and a day later they called back with this setup. That's why I went with the 5147. They felt any other size turbo would hurt the performance goals we were looking to get to and I wouldn't see those due to the restrictions of the PSI Mani. Since all my exhaust plumbing was set up already and want looking to swap all new stuff in this is what we went with.
UNLIKE MOST ON this site, we picked a Turbo that compliments the motor setup and went from there, instead of buying LARGE turbo and trying to meet the goals of the turbo by adding more and more parts.

[Fast4esT]

why less linear? isn't that what we all want from a turbo?

I like it when te turbo kicks In hard and throws your head back into the seat

[kneel]

I like it when te turbo kicks In hard and throws your head back into the seat

you just need a larger turbo setup then. Personally nothing better than that feeling you speak of but, when that quick hit is over.....its over. But with a larger setup that keeps pulling harder and harder its more enjoyable. Unfortunately the Elim turbos are designed to be more linear that your KO3/KO4, but they don't keep pulling harder and harder like a larger setup.
YOu want something that pins you in your seat....looks up 'turboavanttros' setup. That car is a trip to ride in. It pulls so hard and linear that I think the RS4 seats are needed to support you!

[Fast4esT]

What are good turbos for this? Yeah, I think I'm growing out of the Elim turbo.

[AudiA4_20T]

What are good turbos for this? Yeah, I think I'm growing out of the Elim turbo.

35R

[AudiA4_20T]

Neil,

Why not tweak your Revo? The real answer is either Maestro or custom United MS. It's been proven over and over that if you get an off the shelf tune support sucks and no one is ever happy.

[kneel]

What are good turbos for this? Yeah, I think I'm growing out of the Elim turbo.

Honestly......(not off track this thread) that's all has to do with a budget and and opinion. Bryan's turbavanttro's setup is a 2.0 stroker with EFR and custom UM tune.
If you stepped out of the Elim setup to a full frame turbo and larger T25/T3 manifold you have tons of options, but then you have to factor in internals, large fmic, clutch, exhaust plumbing, intake plumbing etc etc.

[kneel]

Neil,

Why not tweak your Revo? The real answer is either Maestro or custom United MS. It's been proven over and over that if you get an off the shelf tune support sucks and no one is ever happy.

explain this tweak the REVO....... as in that secret file that OG users got back in the day that NO ONE at Revo will talk about. I have heard about this said tweeked file but, never got any answers except a from Eurocode tuning??? think that's name and they wanted $1500 to flash my car with a "revised" file form that.

I wouldn't say I'm looking for a say Uni 630cc file....although it might work better than the Revo 550cc file, or the UM 440cc file (B6 only)
I don't know why UM doesn't have a large injector file, as the few I have spoke with, the UM tunes are all B5's and they love the Stage4 UM tune. But repeated emails to UM and still have yet to get answer on this except the bring car here, lets dyno tune for 2 weeks and I pay LOTS of money $$ custom file. Which don't get me wrong that's the idea setup, but just not what I can afford financially and time wise.

[customa4]

To sum up Motoza, people get frustrated with the response times but for the most part everyone is extremely happy with their tunes. I guess it boils down to if you would be a patient person with getting revisions. It sounds like before and after revisions people still enjoy the tune. Just my opinion.

[vinny.dtw]

Get Bische to tune it. Over night response most days. OEM drivability. Priced fairly for what he does (builds you a file from scratch). I've never enjoyed my car more since I got him to tune my car.

Unitronic is garbage. My 725cc file and ecu is collecting dust in my garage.

If i had to choose. Bische > UM > Motoza.

[kneel]

Get Bische to tune it. Over night response most days. OEM drivability. Priced fairly for what he does (builds you a file from scratch). I've never enjoyed my car more since I got him to tune my car.

Unitronic is garbage. My 725cc file and ecu is collecting dust in my garage.

If i had to choose. Bische > UM > Motoza.

I spoke via Email with Bische. Forgot about his tunes. I'll have to find the emails and go back over them again

[Wet0willy01]

I messaged you on FB.

[Motoza]

Hey, Motoza here. If there is anyone waiting on revisions/information please shoot us an email at [email protected]. We will get back with you as soon as possible! Thanks and Happy New Year!

[kneel]

Hey, Motoza here. If there is anyone waiting on revisions/information please shoot us an email at [email protected]. We will get back with you as soon as possible! Thanks and Happy New Year!

Thank you for the return emails this morning. Appreciate the help/info

[Motoza]

Thank you for the return emails this morning. Appreciate the help/info

You're very welcome! Just let us know if you have any other questions. Not sure if I provided our office hours - Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, and Friday from 8 am to 5pm MST. We're closed on Wednesdays and weekends.

[ShogunR32]

A member here named Daz(ddillenger) tuned my car. I've had GIAC, REVO and UM before dealing with him. My current setup is: v8 S4 maf, 630cc EV14, Walbro 450, Apikol manifold w/ B5 s4 throttle body, DBB 50 trim turbo, AEB head and 20mm rods.

[kneel]

I spoke with UM today and they are releasing a 550cc Pro Maf tune soon. (hopefully next few weeks) Interested to see what it involves, as they didn't give me too much info. I would need to convert to a return fueling system though.

[dougyfresh]

If you install a GT3076 with a regular DV you can have my ECU, injectors and MAF.

[Seerlah]

^Wouldn't be surprised if the turbo Neil has would function just fine with that tune. Rated at roughly the same HP. ECU would adjust.

[kneel]

If you install a GT3076 with a regular DV you can have my ECU, injectors and MAF.

^Wouldn't be surprised if the turbo Neil has would function just fine with that tune. Rated at roughly the same HP. ECU would adjust.

I like the sound of THIS!

[2001BTA4]

7 yr bump. Im in the same boat. Looking for a big turbo 1.8 stroker tune either in north east, CT would be best. Or remote. Blake bailed on me, motoza wont tune big turbo 1.8 unless its a race car ( thank the epa ), tweaki g my UM is not completely off table yet. But UM wont do two step or meth tuning. CO motorsports said no, watkins hasn't gotten back to me yet. I was recommended a German company called " the tuner ". Have not reached out to them yet could not find anything on Google for Stateside Tunes. What else is out there? Stock 01 awm ecu, pump 93 fuel and id like meth as well.

[Gin+]

Jackal?

[2001BTA4]

Jackal?

Is that the name of a tuner? German elite tuning also said no. UM hasnt replied yet. I was recommended excelerate in CT. I'm starting to rethink it based on some Horror Story reviews I read. What else for big turbo tunes on stock ecu? Awm code

[Akabetterthanu]

Maybe reflect tuning? I have no experience with them but have a seen the name brought up around VAG cars


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[grayjay]

If you have the time and interest to learn tuning yourself, The Bosch 7.5 ECU used in the B6 is fairly easy to modify (compared to earlier and later generation audi ECUs.)
Knowledge and the (free) software that are needed to do this are all available at;
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/

I am not saying that learning tuning is necessarily easy, but once you can do it then you can make continual tuning changes as you incrementally upgrade hardware and will be able to set/disable all the unneeded features exactly as you want them (SAI, evap, immobilizer, etc.) without needing to pay someone for each incremental change or to be told that they cannot legally make such changes.

[Gin+]

Is that the name of a tuner? German elite tuning also said no. UM hasnt replied yet. I was recommended excelerate in CT. I'm starting to rethink it based on some Horror Story reviews I read. What else for big turbo tunes on stock ecu? Awm code

Yes. https://www.jackalmotorsports.com/

[quattro guy]

So I find myself in the same boat as you guys. Nice find a local tuner in Chicago who can dyno tune my car but he's putting me on the back burner for months now. I'm anxious to get my car tuned as I finished the build years ago but had problems with tuning from one of the companies mentioned here. Anyone else doing custom tunes on b6 a4s?