!.8T Timing Belt Replacement - Best Kit On The Market

[A4orce84]

Getting this back On-Topic:

Can anyone confirm if the the Europa Tensioner is the updated spring tensioner:
http://www.europaparts.com/timing-be...early-vin.html

P/N: 06B109477A

Thanks,
Asif

[walky_talky20]

Not true. The photograph is only representative of the parts. The early AWM engines use the old tensioner, which is what's pictured. The AMB engines use the newer tensioner, which is what we include with our kits.

Mike,

I think blitz is referring to the Litens tensioner setup, which does not use a hydraulic damper component. It does not appear that PureMS is offering the Litens setup yet:

[Mike@PureMS]

Mike,

I think blitz is referring to the Litens tensioner setup, which does not use a hydraulic damper component. It does not appear that PureMS is offering the Litens setup yet:

I don't consider those necessarily an "upgrade", but I have those kits in stock as well. Have never had issues with the hydraulic damper versions, which we continue to use regularly.
This "upgraded' kit without the tensioner is offered as a basic kit for $149.95.

[AudiA4_20T]

My t-belt failed at 30k (during a blizzard), bending 9 valves, and our shop's parts supplier (Lake County Parts Warehouse in Perry, OH - incidentally a supplier to ECS) stood behind it 100%. I got a new timing belt, head gasket, head bolts, valve cover gasket, 8 exhaust valves and 1 intake valve - for free. They didn't have to do that, but they did anyway.

*results not typical. ymmv

"Our Shop" as in you worked there and had a relationship with them and buy thousands of dollars of parts from them?

[walky_talky20]

"Our Shop" as in you worked there and had a relationship with them and buy thousands of dollars of parts from them?

Not exactly, yes, and yes. So...results were nice, but not typical. I will say that they still would have covered all the parts, even if the damage was to a normal customer's car.

However, some Gates/Napa t-belt warranty sheets do have a clause that speaks to them covering incidental damages if their parts fail. But it's an 'at their option' thing.

[FromS60toB61.8t]

The next time I change mine I will be using this kit. It eliminates the hydraulic damper and replaces it with a spring tensioned pulley:

not meaning to thread jack or anything but are there places to get just the tensioner and roller?

[zerovandez]

I'm using a full Gates kit which included tensioner w/roller, water pump, timing belt. I also went for Gates camshaft seals and crankshaft seals. I even went as far as installing Gates serpentine belt tensioner and serpentine belt. I've used them in the past on my Honda's and have had great experiences with them. Matter of fact, I just installed them over the weekend and just put the car down tonight to take it for a "spirited" test spin. No complaints here!!

[Charlie240sxt]

you know the answer to that. If you don't like theirs don't buy it.





Once again, ECS uses the same parts everyone else does...

Absolutely not. I'm not sure any retailer would either.

You could buy a Genuine Audi pump and it could take out your 10 year old motor. Even shops that sell you parts and do the install on your vehicle seldom take full responsibility for damages in those instances.

Jason

I knew the answer but them saying they would stand behind it 100% is a little far fetched. I knew the best offer most shops/parts places would do is just give you the replacement part free. I have one of there kits on my A4 now and have a new kit in a box with the rest of my ELM turbo kit waiting for warmer weather.

[Steve Bassen]

not meaning to thread jack or anything but are there places to get just the tensioner and roller?

Their basic kit is just the belt, roller, and tensioner.

[ECS Tuning-Audi]

I knew the answer but them saying they would stand behind it 100% is a little far fetched. I knew the best offer most shops/parts places would do is just give you the replacement part free. I have one of there kits on my A4 now and have a new kit in a box with the rest of my ELM turbo kit waiting for warmer weather.

This just doesn't apply to ECS assembled kits. It applies to all of the products we sell, meaning that we will do our best to take care of you within limits if there is an issue. I'm not sure any company would be in business very long that sells replacement car parts if they covered consequential, incidental and contingent damages or costs incurred of any kind from the use of parts they sell.

Jason

[FromS60toB61.8t]

Their basic kit is just the belt, roller, and tensioner.

already have a belt so no need to spend another $30-$40 on another one :/

[Phil@USP]

If anyone needs a kit by INA without a Geba water pump you can always note in your final order with us here: Timing Belt Super Plus kit - 1.8T

Water pumps we can offer instead are:
GMB
Graf
Audi OEM

**We can also offer a kit without the coolant if you like.

Let me know if you have any other questions,
Phil

[FromS60toB61.8t]

just saw some close ups on the Litens parts and it says made in Japan right on them... Has anyone actually used these?

[A4orce84]

Hey Guys,

To close the loop on this, I ended up purchasing the Blauparts kit, linked here for ease:
http://www.blauparts.com/proddetail....od=GH21613-2-B

Wanted to use the updated tensioner off the newer A4s. Thanks for all the time and help around this question, it is greatly appreciated!


Thanks,
Asif

[treysgreen]

Ordered my ECS T-Belt kit about 40k miles ago. No problems yet but since I'm right in that range of failure I'm thinking about changing out the pump.

[jacobsen]

The blue gates racing belt is the best belt you'll find... Best belt makers period. The OEM belt is gates.

[Charles.waite]

The blue gates racing belt is the best belt you'll find... Best belt makers period. The OEM belt is gates.

The OEM belt is Continental, no?

[Four-Play]

The OEM belt is Continental, no?

Yeah, I think the Gates Blue belt is OEM on the STi and maybe the top-model EVO (whatever its called) But ours is Continental.
I've also seen a few posts where the Gates belt on our cars can have a terrible squeal.. and that the "blue" coating wears off and can make a mess. I don't know from personal experience, but either way I'd just stick with a Continental.

[jacobsen]

The OEM belt is Continental, no?

haha Yep, I was wrong. But I stand behind my blue belt!

Yeah, I think the Gates Blue belt is OEM on the STi and maybe the top-model EVO (whatever its called) But ours is Continental.
I've also seen a few posts where the Gates belt on our cars can have a terrible squeal.. and that the "blue" coating wears off and can make a mess. I don't know from personal experience, but either way I'd just stick with a Continental.

10K on mine so far it's still blue lol, (Are you picturing a sweat shop where they paint continental belts blue? XD ) Gates blue don't be no foo

[A4orce84]

I mean while the belt is a critical component, I don't see the need to upgrade to the Gates vs. Continental. I've had NO issues with the OEM Continental belt.

The weakness of the whole system, and why we do the actual Tbelt service in the first place, is the tensioner and waterpump (not the belt itself).



Thanks,
Asif

[Jake@JHM]

We have a pretty sweet timing belt kit too:



Clicky!

[walky_talky20]

haha Yep, I was wrong. But I stand behind my blue belt!



10K on mine so far it's still blue lol, (Are you picturing a sweat shop where they paint continental belts blue? XD ) Gates blue don't be no foo

I've got the Gates blue belt. It's black now. I'm not 100%, but I think it's just black wear marks over the blue (ie: deposits), not that the blue actually wore away. My cam seal leaks a bit (okay...a lot) so that may have contributed. I've got 50k miles on the belt, but the color change happened pretty quick.


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[RastAudiA4]

i want to get in on this real quick, i ruled out the ecs kit because of the water pump and its most expensive at $299 w/o coolant. That leaves blauparts enhanced kit+ with coolant $283 and the europa kit $271 w/o coolant

based off of brands and what is included which one should i get? blau has more parts and gates belts, but has some brands i've never heard of through hours of research like that salen pump. And europa kit claims 100% oem parts, but they don't seem to include as much as the blau kit but i'd rather be comfy with oem parts and that hepu pump.

blau enhanced+ http://www.blauparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=GH21102-1A
europa kit http://www.europaparts.com/timing-be...t-aeb-atw.html

[diztek]

My geba pump started leaking after 45k.

[ECS Tuning-Audi]

i want to get in on this real quick, i ruled out the ecs kit because of the water pump and its most expensive at $299 w/o coolant.

What exactly are you looking for in a kit? I can have something pieced together for you and give you a quote.

Shoot me a PM!

Jason

[AudiA4_20T]

i want to get in on this real quick, i ruled out the ecs kit because of the water pump and its most expensive at $299 w/o coolant. That leaves blauparts enhanced kit+ with coolant $283 and the europa kit $271 w/o coolant

based off of brands and what is included which one should i get? blau has more parts and gates belts, but has some brands i've never heard of through hours of research like that salen pump. And europa kit claims 100% oem parts, but they don't seem to include as much as the blau kit but i'd rather be comfy with oem parts and that hepu pump.

blau enhanced+ http://www.blauparts.com/proddetail.asp?prod=GH21102-1A
europa kit http://www.europaparts.com/timing-be...t-aeb-atw.html

Once again, "100% OEM Parts" means nothing. Every single company that sells timing belt kits uses "100% OEM Parts"

[Phil@USP]

Once again, "100% OEM Parts" means nothing. Every single company that sells timing belt kits uses "100% OEM Parts"

Many companies advertise "100% OEM Parts" - what does that really mean?

To shed some light on this. Companies like Hitachi, GEBA, FEBI, Gates, Bosch etc... All make or have made parts that they sell to the Volkswagen/Audi Group (VAG) and then VAG packages as their own and sold through the dealer network.

Once contracts expire and companies no longer sell the product directly to VAG for distribution, then that said company is allowed to sell the same product via other distribution networks.

Does this mean it is a different part if it comes from the same place but uses a different box?

We have also has SO many customers come to us and ask "is X part made in China or is it OEM?" My simple response is that VAG has manufacturers world wide and some of them are in China.

I get we purchase a car brand with roots in Germany but most of all the parts built for these cars that are assembled in Mexico (for the US) are not made in Germany.

Hope that helps,
Phil

[DiertyEuroSpec]

Hey guys sorry to bring this thread back to life but I was wondering if any one knows of other places that have begun to supply the new style Litens tensioner? Is Blauparts still the only vendor offering these? Before vendors begin commenting that they supply OEM timing components I am referring to this updated style from the B7:


I know the OEM supplied parts with our B6 were the hydraulic style however VAG world wide is phasing out the NTN timing belt components that were originally fitted on your car and are replacing them with the new updated O.E. Litens designed tensioners. Thanks

[old guy]

I haven't yet seen it supplied by other vendors but the next time I perform a timing belt service I plan on using that type of tensioner.

[Mistereed]

A bit late here but wanted to chime in before I read on further. Bought the ECS timing belt kit with the high performance Gates belt 2 years ago. Water pump just failed 3 days ago after just 20k on it. So yes, please consider offering a brand other than GEBA for your pumps. I'm now spending 1K in repair fees because I took a cheaper route than going OEM. My fault I know, just trying to save others the trouble as well as inform you guys that these pumps DO have issues.

As I said before there's not enough evidence documented through our sales history to warrant a change. Yes parts can fail or be defective but you have that in every aspect of manufacturing.

Trust me if every other person that bought our kit with a GEBA water pump had it fail prematurely we would definitely be looking for a solution. This is not the case.

Jason

[DiertyEuroSpec]

I just went to an auto conference and the new Duralast water pumps are looking like a very solid option. Yes I said Duralast as in Autozone special. Let me see if I can get a pic of the literature. Here are photos of the redesigned pump

[RDA990]

Bought the ECS timing belt kit with the high performance Gates belt 2 years ago. Water pump just failed 3 days ago after just 20k on it. So yes, please consider offering a brand other than GEBA for your pumps.

You should email ECS ([email protected]) so they can get "records" and "document data" so they can find a better brand.

I'm also looking into a timing belt kit since I have the whole front end of my car torn down and I'm not sure when or what brand of parts the previous owner used for the Timing Belt. The Blauparts kit might be the best kit out there.

[slark]

I got the blauparts kit with mechanical tensioner. Hands down the best on the market IMO.

[Spike00513]

I just went to an auto conference and the new Duralast water pumps are looking like a very solid option. Yes I said Duralast as in Autozone special. Let me see if I can get a pic of the literature. Here are photos of the redesigned pump

Why not Hepu? It looks like the same impeller design, but made out of a brass-colored metal.

[BumblebVR6]

Why not Hepu? It looks like the same impeller design, but made out of a brass-colored metal.

Stay away from water pumps w/ metal impellers. If the bearing fails, the metal impeller can lodge in the block and the belt will skip time and bend valves. There is a reason the oem pump is made of plastic (designed to break on contact w/ a solid surface) to prevent this from happening in that instance.

[Spike00513]

Stay away from water pumps w/ metal impellers. If the bearing fails, the metal impeller can lodge in the block and the belt will skip time and bend valves. There is a reason the oem pump is made of plastic (designed to break on contact w/ a solid surface) to prevent this from happening in that instance.

OG had success with his metal Hepu pump, and now Graf.
And the two top kits from BlauParts using updated new manual Litens tensioners in INA boxes, also come with metal Graf pumps.
Makes me wonder.

Though it appears the Autozone version says it has a composite impeller, and possibly a lifetime warranty.

[V70R]

I’ve been using Graf metal pumps since...2006. Prior shop I worked for specifically used them, I have always ran them on every VW/Audi repair, and never had a single issue. Their newer pumps are even a better impeller design too.

[walky_talky20]

I'm in the HEPU camp, myself. I always felt they were the best. I've installed lots of them on customer cars. I only ever saw one of them leak a little bit, and it was an AEB pump.

[Driddler33]

In preface to this thread... I have been a long time “observer” of this forum I have always found everything I need by using the search bar. So I’ve never needed to have an account to post questions. So, that being said... I am sorry to resurrect this thread again. I have searched and searched, but I just can’t seem to find a solid answer anywhere. I’m about to do the timing belt on my AEB. I was hoping to use the gates racing belt, but it seems that it is a 153 tooth belt instead of the 152 tooth that AEB uses (if I’ve read everything correctly). I’ve read that using the 153 tooth belt “wouldn’t be a big deal” and that “the tensioner will take up the slack.” I understand that the tensioner can take up the slack, but is that ideal? Or should I just stick with a conti belt? I’m stock now but will be BT in the next year or so, which is why I was wanting to use the gates belt. I’m also open to other suggestions. TIA!


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