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    DIY: B8 A4 2.0T AWD Clutch Replacement - Transmission Removal - Quattro

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    Before I even start, I'd like to thank the wonderful Audizine community for helping me through this process. Without a few key responses I'd still be under the Audi breaking stuff.

    Second most important thing is that calling this guide a DIY is a bit of a stretch, it's more of a list of steps to a goal, not a bolt-by-bolt guide. You should be mechanically competent before starting this procedure. The only thing tougher than this job would be pulling the engine out. I'm sorry I didn't have the time to step-by-step document how to do this job. I didn't plan on doing a DIY when I started and I did the majority of this work a few days before Christmas and was pressed for time. Because of that, I don't have extreme detail as in which bolts to turn.

    Obligatory disclaimer: I'm not responsible for you destroying your car. Follow these steps at your own risk. I don't claim any of this is correct or will even work. I'm a stranger to you, do you normally take advice from strangers on the Internet? Performing these steps could lead to serious injury or even death so be careful and take proper safety precautions. This procedure was done on a 2012 A4 2.0T Quattro base trim so your car may be different.

    I'd like to apologize about the poor quality of some of the images. My camera is apparently horrible at taking pictures of shiny things in the dark.

    Time & Labor
    This job is rated at 10-12 hours from Audi. That means you're looking at at least $1200 in labor and who knows about tax, disposal fees, and misc charges. This obviously does not include parts so you're looking at over $2k from Audi but I would expect it's upwards of $2.5k, but I never got a formal quote.

    This job spanned about 2 weeks from start to finish. Most of this was waiting for parts, from both Audi and online, and random trips to the hardware store for tools. I also broke my flywheel while taking it out and had to wait for that to arrive (follow the guide and it won't happen to you).
    I would speculate that if I were to do the job again, have all the tools and parts when I started, I would allot 3 days. I would say 2 days would be enough but It's nice to have a buffer day in case you hit a snag.

    You'll more than likely want someone to help you with this job. I did a lot of the reassembly alone but at one point you'll either need a special tool, a custom brace, or a friend to help you unbolt the flywheel from the back plate.

    Parts
    (I have misplaced some documents so I don't have part numbers for everything but you should get the parts based on your VIN as they change throughout model years)
    • 6 Pressure plate bolts. N-911-361-02 6 @ $1.12 = $6.72
    • 3 Flywheel to backplate bolts
    • 1 36.1mm Oetiker clamp for the drive shaft N-107-722-01 @ $3.50
    • Every bolt from transmission to engine. I didn't replace these but you should as they're one time use aluminum bolts. There are 10.
    • Special lube for the input shaft (no idea what it's called, sometimes comes with a clutch kit)
    • Pressure plate & friction disk (usually referred to as the clutch)
    • Optionally a new flywheel (I would recommend going with a single mass 'downgrade')


    Tools
    • I expect you to have a full metric ratchet set with multiple extensions and at least 1 u-joint/swivel connector, screwdrivers, tape, marker, cardboard, pliers, general repair stuff
    • I would recommend a full metric set of 12pt ratcheting wrenches. While probably not required I wouldn't do the job without them
    • You'll need about (rounding up) 3 feet of extensions (specifically for detaching the exhaust from the down pipe)
    • A 24mm socket for bracing the engine crank
    • 12pt 18, 19, 16mm sockets. Deep or shallow is fine, doesn't matter (I can't remember if I used the 19. I also have a 20,21,&22mm but again, no idea if I used them, sorry).
    • 10 and 12mm triple square bits. You'll want both short and long. If you're only going to get one, get the long ones.
    • 40mm torx bit in addition to standard 20 - 30mm.
    • An insanely shallow 16mm 12pt socket. I used this from Lowes and a 19mm wrench. I can't find a link online but you'll get the idea.


      It's a tight fit to clear the steering rack:
    • Oetiker clamp clamping tool. I got a standard one from Lowes for $30 and modified it (you'll see it later). You can find them online much cheaper, just be sure it can clamp a 36mm clamp.
    • 4 Jack stands. I like Craftsman 2-1/4 ton stands as they have flat tops that don't gouge the underside of your car.
    • At least 2 jacks. A standard floor jack and a bottle jack will work.
    • A transmission jack with 2 way tilting (something like this)
    • O2 wrench/socket
    • An impact wrench is nice for removing the axles and drive shaft.


    Steps
    Ok here we go.

    First, when taking bolts off, it helps to use cardboard to keep everything organized. Here's an example:


    1. Point your wheels straight and make sure the steering wheel is at dead center
    2. Put your car in the air. Use 4 jack stands. Do your best to get the car level once it's in the air. Keeping the car level will make it easier to line up the transmission and required if you're going to replace the transmission fluid (you should).
    3. Release your parking brake and take the transmission out of gear. Open the trunk, open your hood.
    4. Unlock all the doors, disconnect your battery
    5. Take the wheels off. You should have something like this:

    6. Remove the plastic belly pans and cross brace. Refer to the first part of Dan_Q's DIY here: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...n-Fluid-Change
    7. Remove the rear cross brace (is that what this is?)

    8. Remove your entire exhaust
      1. Disconnect the 2 O2 sensor wires from the engine wiring harness.
      2. Remove the 2 O2 sensors from the down pipe. Use a proper wrench for this.
      3. Unbolt the downpipe from the flex pipe by removing the 3 13mm nuts. You may need a 3 foot extension for this one.
      4. Unbolt the downpipe from the turbo manifold. There are 4 bolts, you'll need to make weird extensions like this to get all of them:
      5. Take out the down pipe. This is tough, you have to sneak it between the exhaust manifold and strut tower. PROTIP: Line the strut tower with painters tape to minimize scratches. (You can also go down with it if you take the rest of the exhaust out first)
      6. Now drop the rest of the exhaust. Work from the front of the car, unbolting each mount. I always have trouble putting the exhaust pins back in the rubber brackets but if you're good at it, disconnect these instead of unbolting the mounts.
        As you're dropping the exhaust, use a box or something to hold up the end of the exhaust so you don't create too much stress.
      7. Store the exhaust somewhere

        I would suggest putting the bolts back in the holes they came from as to not loose them. Especially one towards the middle as it holds half of the gas tank.

    9. Remove the heat shields blocking the drive shaft. Do this with 10mm sockets by unscrewing the plastic nuts for the plastic panels under the car. Then removing the metal nuts that hold the heatshield. You don't need to remove EVERY heat shield, just the one blocking the drive shaft.

    10. Remove the driveshaft
      1. Remove/cut the Oetiker clamp on the transmission side.

        You can do this by grinding off or prying up the 'interlock' pin.
      2. Unbolt the rear differential side using 10mm triple square long bits. (this photo is upside down) (I like to use an impact wrench on these bolts)
      3. Unbolt the center mount
      4. Drop it out. You may want help with this as you don't want to put a ton of pressure on that center bearing, though the two parts will flex. Push the drive shaft towards the transmission and you should be able to get the shaft flange to slide past the rear subframe.

    11. Unbolt the two front axles from the transmission flanges. (shield in following step has already been removed in this pic)
      You'll want to use a long 10mm triple square bit and some extensions. I like to use an impact wrench to remove these (tighten too).
    12. Remove the shield from the passenger side axle flange

    13. Unbolt the steering shaft (not the right word) from the steering rack. You'll need to remove the bolt and pry the clamp open to get it off.

      The shaft will slide up into itself. Then hang it up with a zip-tie to the clutch slave cyl line.

    14. Disconnect the shifter from the shift linkage
      1. Unbolt the heat shield hiding the shift linkage where it connects to the shifter.
      2. Disconnect the shifter from the linkage.


    15. Remove shifter from car
      This video is going to show you how to properly pull your center console apart so you can get to the shifter. It will also show you how to remove the shifter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS5gEwPwzRg&t=5m2s
      quickly, pop your ac controls out, lift the shift boot by pressing on one side (not top or bottom), pull up on center console to release cover, unbolt coin tray, pop rubber cover bracket off, mark where the shifter sits on the slide, and mark the bolt, unbolt from linkage, 4 bolts hold the tray to the car, remove these at the corners, remove tray.
      You should end up like this:

      Ziptie the two shift linkage rods together so they're not flapping about.
    16. Remove slave cylinder
      Remove this bolt first, it's holding the line to the transmission

      Then the bolt on the slave cylinder
      (this picture is upside down)

    17. Disconnect the starter
      There's 2 bolts holding the starter to the transmission. One of those bolts may require the special shallow socket discussed in the tools section.


      You'll also want to unbolt the power wire from the alternator that runs to the starter. This wire runs around the back of the engine. You will have to cut some zipties for it to come out. This will provide some slack for the starter to slide out.
      Make sure you have the battery disconnected or you'll weld that cable to whatever ground it touches.
      There's also a bracket on the transmission that holds the wire, unbolt this one too. You can see it in the bottom of this picture.

      Push the starter out as far as you can, it won't go far.
    18. Unbolt the flywheel from the back plate
      On the bottom of the transmission bell housing there is a plastic inspection plate that will let you remove the 3 bolts from the back plate.
      This setup is much more familiar to an automatic transmission. I didn't know this when I did it and broke the bearing in the flywheel.


      You'll want a friend to brace the crank by sticking a 24mm socket on a breaker bar and holding the crank steady with the bolt inside the crank pulley on the front of the engine. If you have a proper tool to chock the flywheel, go ahead and use it, I didn't.
      Only rotate the engine clockwise to spin the back plate to get to the next bolt. These things are on there pretty damn tight, no idea what torque setting is.
    19. Put your transmission jack in position
      Put the plate as close to the transmission mount as you can. This is the center of mass for the transmission.


    Last edited by skinner; 12-06-2018 at 10:10 PM. Reason: Moved images to imgur

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    20. Remove the transmission mount
      First remove the 3 bolts connecting the transmission to the mount

      Then remove the 4 bolts to drop the mount out of the way

      If you need to reposition the transmission jack, get creative.

    21. Disconnect transmission sensor
      There's a single sensor on top of the transmission. You'll need to lower the transmission while it's still attached to the engine in order to reach the sensor clip. Lower the transmission until you can reach the sensor. You more than likely won't be able to see it. The clip is positioned in such a way that the release clip is against the transmission so it's extremely hard to get off. I used a small screwdriver to help get the clip off. You'll also want to unbolt the linkage (seen in the first pic) in order to get the wire out.


    22. Place jack under oil pan
      You'll want to jack the transmission back to about where it sits when it's mounted on the car. Then place a jack under the engine because once the transmission is disconnected it's going to want to flop forward onto the radiator.
    23. Remove bolts from around the transmission
      Here's all the bolts that will come off the transmission. This is looking from behind the transmission towards the engine. On the right are two bolts that came from the starter. These bolts consist of both 18 and 16mm 12pt bolts. The sizes are all different so I would absolutely recommend using a similar cardboard setup.

    24. Pull the transmission off the engine
      You'll want to go straight back. After about 3 inches you can start going down. Keep watching the top of the transmission to see if it's clearing. You'll end up having some trouble with the driver side axle flange. You could try to remove this before you start pulling the transmission out but this will require you to drop the strut in order to get clearance. The floppy slave cylinder will also get in the way.
      More than likely if you're doing this on jack stands you won't be able to get the transmission out from under the car, this is ok. Slide it back as far as you can without damaging anything.

    25. Pull the driver side stub axle out
      There are 3 torx bolts just behind the axle flange (no pic, sorry). Remove these 3 and the axle should pull off. I had to use a pry bar and lightly pry it out, it shouldn't stick.

    26. Remove the flywheel/pressure plate stack
      Just pull it out, it weighs quite a bit, probably at least 30 lbs.
    27. Replace the pressure plate and friction disk
      I think there's 6 bolts, maybe 8. Remove them in any order.
      It's recommended to get your flywheel turned down, most companies require it for warranty. I don't know what the tolerances are, I replaced mine with a single mass as I broke the center bearing by removing it incorrectly.
      Stick the friction disk on first. Place the new pressure plate on top of this, and insert your clutch alignment tool. Then you'll want to bolt the pressure plate down in a cross motion.
      (this picture was shamelessly stolen from a b7 clutch install guide on a4mods.com)

      Go slow, tighten each bolt only a few turns at a time. You'll want to ensure this plate goes down evenly. Follow directions that came with your parts. You MUST use new bolts for this step. I torqued mine down to 20 FT/LBS or 27 NM.

    28. Replace the throwout bearing
      (Note: If your bell housing is as filthy and covered in oil as mine is, your rear main seal is probably leaking)

      1. There's a small clip on the top side of the fork that releases it from the ball pin behind. Just press the clip behind the fork and you should be able to get it to release or at worst unclip both sides from the fork.
      2. flip the fork over, slide the bearing into the dimpled track section. Use a screwdriver to pop the clips on one side and it should fall out
      3. Pop the new bearing in place
      4. Put the clip back on the end of the fork
      5. Cleanup the bell housing and fork. You'll want to wipe up any debris now so your new clutch starts its life in a clean environment.
      6. Apply proper lube to the input shaft on the transmission, this "should" have come with your pressure plate. If not, source some.
      7. Slide the throwout bearing and fork back over the input shaft. The clip should already be set, all you'll have to do is push it in.

    29. Reassemble your car
      It sounds cliche, but assembly is the same as dis-assembly just in reverse.

      Spark notes:
      • Throw the flywheel/clutch assembly back into the transmission. If you're having trouble ensure the friction disk is aligned. Try rotating a few degrees, you might be hitting a spline
      • Put your stub axle back in. Should go in without needing a hammer, align the splines if it's not sliding in
      • Bolt the transmission back up
      • Connect the sensor to the transmission
      • Mount the transmission back to the car with its mount
      • Bolt the flywheel to the backplate (no idea what torque setting on these, I went pretty damn tight with a wrench)
      • At this point you may (should!) want to replace the transmission fluid. Follow this excellent DIY from Dan_Q
      • Reconnect the starter and wire to alternator
      • Reconnect the slave cyl. No need to bleed it but you can if you want.
      • Reattach front axles and covers
      • Put shifter back in and connect linkage
      • Replace shifter heat shield
      • Put NEW clamp on end of drive shaft and put the drive shaft back in the car. You're going to need a special crimping tool to crimp the clamp. I bought this one and Lowes and modified it to fit in the tight spot by cutting of the side guides:

      • Put the heat shield back on
      • Connect any missing wires
      • Put the exhaust on. I did downpipe first. You may need a friend for this as it's heavy.
      • Put the 2 cross braces back on
      • Put any plastic guards you have.
      • Attach the wheels
      • Put the car on the ground
      • Take it easy for the next 200 - 500 miles



    And there you have it! Easy peasy! Feel free to ask me any questions or correct something I may have gotten wrong or forgot.
    Again, I'm no expert, this was just how I did it. I hope this proves useful to someone.
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    I'm just going to start off by saying thanks for the hard work! Good write up and it couldn't come at a better time! I'll be using this very soon!

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    What clutch did you upgrade to? and how did you "convert" to a Single mass flywheel?

    Awesome write up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Audi.Airman View Post
    What clutch did you upgrade to? and how did you "convert" to a Single mass flywheel?

    Awesome write up!
    I went with a South Bend Stage II Daily: http://www.dxdracingclutches.com/eco...m?item_id=4901

    This was before I knew I was going to ruin the stock flywheel. Once I found out that was broken I got a single mass flywheel from Eurocode Tuning: http://www.ecodetuning.com/shop/cart..._detail&p=2301 (Big thanks to Chris for fulfilling that order same day).

    Had I known I was going to break the flywheel, I would have originally gotten the flywheel/clutch combo from eurocode as their clutches have a higher torque rating for a lower price. South Bend's didn't come with a single bolt or grease. It did come with two plastic tools of which I have no idea what they're for.

    I like the way the single mass flywheel feels. There's no extra vibration unless you're easing the clutch in at say 5th and you should be in 3rd so it's arguably helpful. The engine responds a little faster because it's lighter (not by much I would guess). Overall I'm very happy with it.

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    Nice job

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    Great write up!
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    VW likes to keep the drive train of A4s similar throughout the generations so far I see.
    in da hood we say "don't drink & drive, park & sip"

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    Enjoyed reading this write up! Im going to be using it soon.

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    Was your clutch already going, also I believe someone in the S4 section said dealer quoted around $2400, so yeah that's a lot.

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    Friendly side not for anyone who digs this up - If you do bleed your slave, make sure you have it in the transmission already or you could pop it open/ brake the internal seal. Do not hit the clutch pedal while the slave is out either - it can hyper extend and cause the seal to pop. I am glad to see posts support Eurocode. Chris and Dave at Eurocode are bother great guys.

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    bless your heart for putting in the effort to write this up!

    this is not for beginners lol
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    TIP:

    If you are going to purchase a floor type transmission jack like the one seen in these pictures, TRY IT FIRST!!! I just changed my RMS and noticed mine wouldn't hold while trying to put the transmission back in... As stated in the DIY, doing this on jack stands will not allow you to slide the unit out from under the car. In other words, if you bought a faulty jack, and you are doing this alone, you are in for a hell of a fun time lining things up in order to get the first bolts in to draw the tranny to the engine.

    Short of faulty tools, this is a very easy job to do but it does take some time.

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    greatly appreciate the advice, I think ill pull the engine instead however when I do this. kinda want to do rods anyways.
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    Great Post! I just purchased my Audi and am making plans for spring. I knew that a clutch upgrade was eminent with performance upgrades and this is something to help me along with my checklist and mental notes .

    Thanks you!

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    Sorry for the noob question but do automatics need flywheel/clutch upgrade or it manual only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B44 View Post
    Sorry for the noob question but do automatics need flywheel/clutch upgrade or it manual only.
    Manual only. I'd suggest that you do some reading on the different components in each transmission type.




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    Thank you. Will do

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    Im in the process of pulling my motor for rebuild, am i able to just pull the motor and not undo the 3 back plate bolts or are those necessary no matter what or will the clutch and flywheel come out with the motor once the bell housing bolts n starter bolts are out?

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    You must remove the 6 drive plate bolts to separate the engine from the transmission.

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    This is a wonderful writeup! Much appreciated!
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    For all of you guys trying to fumble with this so called "DIY" here is an actuall DIY from ECS tuning it shows how to replace the stock flywheel with there Light weight flywheel but you get the jist.
    http://bd8ba3c866c8cbc330ab-7b26c6f3...llation_R5.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgararreola View Post
    For all of you guys trying to fumble with this so called "DIY" here is an actuall DIY from ECS tuning it shows how to replace the stock flywheel with there Light weight flywheel but you get the jist.
    http://bd8ba3c866c8cbc330ab-7b26c6f3...llation_R5.pdf
    That's real cheeky of someone who has zero contributions to this community to say. Is it hard waking up every morning with such a large phallus for a head? Scroll through the comments and feel free to see all the smart members that haven't had a problem with this DIY. Maybe you're a little too inexperienced to be doing this job anyways.

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    Or the fact that we had nothing other than this DIY before that published one.

    Skinner - thank you for your writeup. I'm sure I speak for many, it's appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skinner View Post
    That's real cheeky of someone who has zero contributions to this community to say. Is it hard waking up every morning with such a large phallus for a head? Scroll through the comments and feel free to see all the smart members that haven't had a problem with this DIY. Maybe you're a little too inexperienced to be doing this job anyways.
    Thanks for the DIY Skinner. It convinced me to pay someone to do the clutch on my car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blbroo View Post
    Thanks for the DIY Skinner. It convinced me to pay someone to do the clutch on my car.


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    areola..... ha.
    LOL, also thanks for the write up. I did read through it but it gave me heart palpitations. I will also pay someone to do the clutch. I pulled the trigger on the Southbend Stage 2 Endurance kit. It's coming in 3 days and can't wait! I will be doing a review on it soon once it's installed and broken in, maybe with a few hard launches to show off what it can do

    @blbroo, what clutch did you decide on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jorte014 View Post
    LOL, also thanks for the write up. I did read through it but it gave me heart palpitations. I will also pay someone to do the clutch. I pulled the trigger on the Southbend Stage 2 Endurance kit. It's coming in 3 days and can't wait! I will be doing a review on it soon once it's installed and broken in, maybe with a few hard launches to show off what it can do

    @blbroo, what clutch did you decide on?
    Spec Stage 2+ and a new stock LUK flywheel. Gets installed this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blbroo View Post
    Spec Stage 2+ and a new stock LUK flywheel. Gets installed this week.
    Cool, are you getting a new flywheel for good measure? USP motorsports told me there is no need to change the flywheel unless it's really badly scarred from the clutch slipping for a long time. I'm inclined to order one regardless though, so was wondering why you got one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jorte014 View Post
    Cool, are you getting a new flywheel for good measure? USP motorsports told me there is no need to change the flywheel unless it's really badly scarred from the clutch slipping for a long time. I'm inclined to order one regardless though, so was wondering why you got one.
    I ordered the LUK flywheel from RockAuto, erring on the side of caution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jorte014 View Post
    LOL, also thanks for the write up. I did read through it but it gave me heart palpitations. I will also pay someone to do the clutch. I pulled the trigger on the Southbend Stage 2 Endurance kit. It's coming in 3 days and can't wait! I will be doing a review on it soon once it's installed and broken in, maybe with a few hard launches to show off what it can do

    @blbroo, what clutch did you decide on?
    Meh, that's child's play. You haven't read the writeup I've started yet have you? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by jorte014 View Post
    I ordered the LUK flywheel from RockAuto, erring on the side of caution.
    Did the same. Mine has 105,000 miles on it and has been slipping off and on for a few months. Figured I'd rather spend the $560 and put a new one in, than have trouble and have to pay to have one swapped in later.

    Rockauto kills the price of the AZ sponsoring sellers on the flywheel...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blbroo View Post
    Did the same. Mine has 105,000 miles on it and has been slipping off and on for a few months. Figured I'd rather spend the $560 and put a new one in, than have trouble and have to pay to have one swapped in later.

    Rockauto kills the price of the AZ sponsoring sellers on the flywheel...
    I got 110k on mine, no issues at all. Still does well. We'll see how long that lasts though with the bigger turbo though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blbroo View Post
    Thanks for the DIY Skinner. It convinced me to pay someone to do the clutch on my car.
    No harm in not biting off more than you can chew. It's cheaper to get someone to do the job for you than trying to get the 30 pieces of your car to them when you can't get it back together, haha.

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    Hey this is great. Fun to peruse.

    So many procedures to get right.

    I am interested if you or anyone has a DIY for the rear diff removal/replacement (2012 A4 B8 Quattro). The original diff has developed a moan and seems to have enough play, now after 100 K, to produce an occasional clunk. Not acceptable !

    I have examined the situation carefully and have no problem mechanically, but I know there are issues to avoid and tips to not damage anything. I have put in diff bushing inserts but I think this unit has had its life.

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    I just did this job. This is a great writeup but I want to add some info for those attempting to do it on your own. Clutch went out at 130k mostly due to my kid burning the clutch as he learned to drive stick.

    1. Find a copy of ElsaWin
    2. It took me 3 weekends to get this done. I lost one week because I could not get the driveshaft off, it froze to the diff.
    3. If your driveshaft is frozen to the diff, remove the bolts, and throw it into gear. Beating and heating it did nothing.
    4. You will need a lot of new bolts and specialty lubes. It's a pain in the ass.
    5. Your flywheel probably needs changing. I think mine was out of alignment for the wobble, but not the angle. Repxpert is the LUK brand info hub. Register and go through the funny lesson.
    6. Change your flywheel if there is any questions, this is seriously hard to get at.
    7. Shop quoted me 8hrs of labor time. Honestly not sure how they could do it that fast and follow all the Audi procedures.
    8. Dropping the trans is stupid hard due to the limited space. I had the PS line in the way and stupidly tried to remove the PS rack. DO NOT TOUCH THE PS RACK. The bolts require stupid torque. To remove the trans, back it up just enough so it disengages. Make sure the starter pull s back, it got stuck on me and cause issues. Once free of the engine and starter, move back and lower the trans a few inches, as far as you can. Angle the trans down. Now for the trick: Put a jack stand under the left output shaft and start lowering the trans. Be carefull so it does not fall off the trans jack. As you lower it will rotate the trans. Keep lowering and rotating until it's out. You have to go back in the same way. This one frustrated the crap out of me until I figured it out. Oh and DON'T TOUCH THE PS RACK BOLTS.
    9. When you pull the left output shaft oil will flow unless you are tilted up. Stuff stinks.
    10. You need precisely 16" of space under the car to get trans out while dragging it. Add whatever clearance you think you need for the trans jack.
    11. Harbour Freight $99 trans jack worked. But it was really hard to go up and down, not broken in I guess.
    12. Rock Auto is the place for cheapest LUK flywheel and clutch.
    13. LUK (Shafler) only really makes one set of clutch for the 2011 A4. You will find a bunch of numbers and prices, but it's really just the 02-060 set. Same for the flywheel, its the DMF141.
    14. ECS clutch rep kit with the bolts is good, but it comes short 1 bolt. I got the issue forwarded to the tech team, so they may change it. But you need 10 not 9 of the aluminum bolts. their kit has 9 aluminum and 1 steel bolt. You can reuse the steel indefinitely so no need to replace.
    15. I did not remove the shifter, just unbolted the linkage from transmission. beware the shift rod, it can swing down and knock you silly.

    If you get a good quote on a clutch job from a place, just pay the man. Unless you like tinkering, and want everything done per shop requirements, then have fun and block off at least 2 weekends and the week inbetween.

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    step3 clutch removal help

    Hi, quick question on number 3. My Drive shaft is frozen too, I am about to try your trick, did you leave it in the air with the parking brake set, or did you set it on the ground when you put it in gear.


    Quote Originally Posted by FR_A4 View Post
    I just did this job. This is a great writeup but I want to add some info for those attempting to do it on your own. Clutch went out at
    3. If your driveshaft is frozen to the diff, remove the bolts, and throw it into gear. Beating and heating it did nothing.

    If you get a good quote on a clutch job from a place, just pay the man. Unless you like tinkering, and want everything done per shop requirements, then have fun and block off at least 2 weekends and the week inbetween.
    Also there are only 3 bolts holding the flywheel to the starter gear or the clutch module as the ECS guide calls it. has anyone encountered this? I need to go see if my ECS bolt kit included those.

    and lastly I just joined. And its great to see such an active forum for these cars.

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    Yes I left it in the air but I had super solid supports. Cant recomend, you taking your life in your own hands and I am not responsible. That said it was literraly put car in first, clutch in, start, dump clutch, turn off while engaging clutch. The p-brake may have been on, cant remember 3 seconds total. Then I rechecked all supports and went to work.

    Yes there is 3 bolts. They will come with flywheel or clutch and I ended up with extras. The larger engines use 6 bolts. So probably if I was upping power a bunch I wouls see if a 6 bolt plate would fit. But others run tons of power on 3 bolts so should be ok.
    Good luck.

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    Another tip on the 3 flywheel bolts. The space there is very tight. You either need a crow foot torque wrench adapter ir a super short socket and your torquewrench needs to be not too tall.
    I ended up with a custom socket vecause I could not locate a crow foot on time for cheap. Started with a craftsman socket from Ace, measured the height of the bolt head and used a dremel cut off wheel. Ended up the right size.

    Oh, and make sure you rotate engine clockwise as they said.

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    Thanks for the tips and the quick response, I really appreciate it.

    I screwed up and took everything apart, thinking i would go back to the drive shaft once everything was removed. Turns out that was a dumb idea..

    there is enough room to separate them, the two but thats it.

    I am definitely going to try the putting it in drive trick. I will let you know how it goes

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    Worked perfect, I had the car on the jack stands and an extra floor jack.

    Here is the process, take the bolts out of the driveshaft, start the car, press and hold the brake, put the car in 1st and let out the clutch. the clunk should be nearly instant.

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