OEM Q5 Brembo Brake Upgrade Review

**PSI NRG** · 05-05-2015 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Mod.Kill.Yut.

So you're telling me to buy wheels in some random offset and take a gamble to see if they fit over the calipers?

The whole point of having a template is so wheel manufacturers can measure clearance for different wheel designs. That way buyers will be able to order wheels and get proper fitment. So what you're saying doesn't quite make sense.

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I was under the impression you already had the wheels. But since you don't, mounting up the caliper and rotor you can easily take your own measurements and send them to the wheel manufacture. I'd even bet if you contacted them they could tell you specifically what measurements they need to know that would be detrimental to proper wheel fitment.

**ECS Tuning-Audi** · 05-05-2015 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by Mod.Kill.Yut.

This is a better picture of what needs to be measured. The yellow highlighted line signifies the center of your hub.

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Below is an example of what our templates look like. It's just meant to be cut out and placed inside the wheel simulating how the kit would fit when mounted up.

Click HERE

There's really no numbers except for in the box to be sure it's scaled properly.

Jason

**poweredbyaudi7** · 05-05-2015 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by ed@mtl

Are these with the 345mm or 320mm rotors?

These are the 345 rotors...

**Jerry1847** · 05-22-2015 01:37 PM

kits are back in stock at ECS....

**ECS Tuning-Audi** · 05-22-2015 01:45 PM

Our kits are indeed back in stock!

Click HERE to order or for more information

For any one needing a template it can be found below.

Click HERE

Cheers,

Jason

**Nastybutler** · 05-22-2015 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by ECS Tuning-Audi

Our kits are indeed back in stock!

Click HERE to order or for more information

Cheers,

Jason

That link takes you to kits for S4s. Are they the same for A4/A5s?

**bermudakid** · 05-22-2015 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Nastybutler

That link takes you to kits for S4s. Are they the same for A4/A5s?

Yes. The bigger 345 mm rotors are the same size as the stock S4 rotors.

**a_train** · 05-23-2015 07:50 AM

I'm close to ordering this kit... The only thing stopping me is I need to know if these will fit on stock 2011 P+ wheels (my winter set up)

**Jerry1847** · 05-23-2015 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by a_train

I'm close to ordering this kit... The only thing stopping me is I need to know if these will fit on stock 2011 P+ wheels (my winter set up)

You can always get some spacers if you need more room

**hanyoung** · 05-25-2015 12:48 PM

My brand new set up is for sale. Please see post below for details. Thanks!
http://www.audizine.com/forum/classi...ake-kit-200266

**ECS Tuning-Audi** · 05-26-2015 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Nastybutler

That link takes you to kits for S4s. Are they the same for A4/A5s?

Yes these kits will work for A4/A5. For future reference if you ever need to check fitment, once your on the product page click the "ECS Application Guide" and this will tell you every vehicle that particular part/kit fits.

Originally Posted by a_train

I'm close to ordering this kit... The only thing stopping me is I need to know if these will fit on stock 2011 P+ wheels (my winter set up)

Please use the fitment template below.

Click HERE

Jason

**Nison_Li** · 07-17-2015 12:17 PM

i have a set of these q5 3.0T front and rear calipers and pads for sale
http://www.audizine.com/forum/classi...nd-pads-207623

**poweredbyaudi7** · 10-24-2015 07:45 AM

Found this in the S4 thread; thought I would share.

Originally Posted by Whistle

I have been following this thread with a lot of interest, so I spoke at some length with Pagid US. Pagid offers stock/street pads with the wear sensors for this caliper. That pad shape is T2212 or T2321, see this link: Q5 Brembo 4 piston caliper Stock or Street Brake Pads

The gent I spoke to confirmed that they do offer the E2487 as a race pad option. This pad does not have wear sensors, but that isn't really an issue for the track. SO, you can get great race pads from Pagid for these calipers...but wait, there's more...

On Pagid's page for this pad shape, they mention all the other cars that take this pad shape as well, which is a pretty healthy list of performance cars.

Check it out:
Pagid 2487

REF NO.	THICKNESS	MAKE	MODEL	YEAR	FRONT	REAR
2487	15.4 mm	Aston Martin	DB 9	04 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Aston Martin	Vantage V8 GT4 ProDrive [race car]	12 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Audi	TT RS 2.5 Quattro	09 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Cadillac	CTS-V (4 piston front caliper)	03 → 09	X
2487	15.4 mm	Chevrolet	Corvette Brembo non ceramic	09 →		X
2487	15.4 mm	Chevrolet	Camaro SS	09 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Ford	GT	04 → 06	X	X
2487	15.4 mm	Ford	Mustang Shelby GT500	07 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Ford	Mustang Boss 302	12 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Honda (Acura)	Acura TL	04 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Hyundai	Genesis Coupe 3.8 track	10 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Mitsubishi	Lancer Evo V - Evo IX	98 → 06	X
2487	15.4 mm	Mitsubishi	Lancer Evo X	07 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Subaru	STI	03 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Volvo	S60 Turbo R Brembo brakes	03 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Volvo	V70 R 2.5T Brembo brakes	03 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Audi	A3 RS3 Quattro	11 →	X
2487	15.4 mm	Dodge	Viper SRT TA (time attack)	14 →	X	X

The question I have is...if you replace the rotors with some nice 2 piece floaters with directional vanes, and maybe take off your dust shields, and install the Macan air scoops, would they hold up for track days?

If the answer is yes, then we have a very affordable BBK, with pretty much unlimited pad selection.

**hanyoung** · 10-24-2015 11:34 AM

Has anyone on this (or the S4 thread) actually purchased the pads and confirmed shape and fit?

**poweredbyaudi7** · 10-24-2015 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by hanyoung

Has anyone on this (or the S4 thread) actually purchased the pads and confirmed shape and fit?

I didn't read that far threw it. But it would be nothing or you to go to autozone and look at a set of the pads. I also looked up the pads for an Evo VIII and they're the se part number as the ones I purchased....

**ParadigmTony** · 10-24-2015 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by hanyoung

My brand new set up is for sale. Please see post below for details. Thanks!
http://www.audizine.com/forum/classi...ake-kit-200266

link is broken now. Still available?

**hanyoung** · 10-27-2015 07:41 AM

Tony, sorry the link had expired. But they are still up for sale, please pm me with any questions.
http://www.panjo.com/buy/oem-big-bra...ubpanjo_search

**LVL** · 11-04-2015 12:09 PM

Thanks OP

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**Dub_prime** · 11-04-2015 01:19 PM

Quick search today on Amazon brought up some pads from hawk too.

**LINDW4LL** · 11-06-2015 10:44 AM

Originally Posted by LVL

Thanks OP
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Hey LVL, Just saw your car in the McAlister's lot while grabbing lunch. Looking great!

I love the orange Brembos behind the Ti rotors- they really pop!

**LVL** · 11-06-2015 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by LINDW4LL

Hey LVL, Just saw your car in the McAlister's lot while grabbing lunch. Looking great!

I love the orange Brembos behind the Ti rotors- they really pop!

That's crazy and thanks a bunch! Do you live close by? It really is such a small world.

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**LINDW4LL** · 11-07-2015 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by LVL

That's crazy and thanks a bunch! Do you live close by? It really is such a small world.

Yep- just down the road. Agreed on the crazy small world.

I was going to snap a pic but my phone was dead.

**LVL** · 11-08-2015 06:23 PM

I live around here too. What are you in so I can give you a honk when I see you?

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**drewgold** · 11-13-2015 02:20 PM

I have been following this thread with a lot of interest, so I spoke at some length with Pagid US. Pagid offers stock/street pads with the wear sensors for this caliper. That pad shape is T2212 or T2321, see this link: Q5 Brembo 4 piston caliper Stock or Street Brake Pads

The gent I spoke to confirmed that they do offer the E2487 as a race pad option. This pad does not have wear sensors, but that isn't really an issue for the track. SO, you can get great race pads from Pagid for these calipers...but wait, there's more...

On Pagid's page for this pad shape, they mention all the other cars that take this pad shape as well, which is a pretty healthy list of performance cars.

Check it out:
Pagid 2487

REF NO. THICKNESS MAKE MODEL YEAR FRONT REAR
2487 15.4 mm Aston Martin DB 9 04 → X
2487 15.4 mm Aston Martin Vantage V8 GT4 ProDrive [race car] 12 → X
2487 15.4 mm Audi TT RS 2.5 Quattro 09 → X
2487 15.4 mm Cadillac CTS-V (4 piston front caliper) 03 → 09 X
2487 15.4 mm Chevrolet Corvette Brembo non ceramic 09 → X
2487 15.4 mm Chevrolet Camaro SS 09 → X
2487 15.4 mm Ford GT 04 → 06 X X
2487 15.4 mm Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 07 → X
2487 15.4 mm Ford Mustang Boss 302 12 → X
2487 15.4 mm Honda (Acura) Acura TL 04 → X
2487 15.4 mm Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 track 10 → X
2487 15.4 mm Mitsubishi Lancer Evo V - Evo IX 98 → 06 X
2487 15.4 mm Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X 07 → X
2487 15.4 mm Subaru STI 03 → X
2487 15.4 mm Volvo S60 Turbo R Brembo brakes 03 → X
2487 15.4 mm Volvo V70 R 2.5T Brembo brakes 03 → X
2487 15.4 mm Audi A3 RS3 Quattro 11 → X
2487 15.4 mm Dodge Viper SRT TA (time attack) 14 → X X

The question I have is...if you replace the rotors with some nice 2 piece floaters with directional vanes, and maybe take off your dust shields, and install the Macan air scoops, would they hold up for track days?

If the answer is yes, then we have a very affordable BBK, with pretty much unlimited pad selection.

Originally Posted by poweredbyaudi7

Found this in the S4 thread; thought I would share.

Hi from the B7 forum! Great info, I hadn't seen that thread.

I came across this thread and have since picked up a set of Brembo Q5 calipers for my B7 A4. I was not thrilled about the limited pad options so did some research similar to what was found through the Pagid site.

I checked out the Brembo site and their pad specs. The Brembo site doesn't list pads for the Q5 Brembo calipers (Which is ironic because the calipers are brembo and the OEM pads are actually marked with the Brembo logo)??
Knowing that the pads for the TTRS/RS3 were virtually the same as the Q5 Brembos, (ECS also has some pads listed for both the Q5 Brembos and the TTRS calipers) I looked up the Brembo listing for the RS3 pads and then scanned through their list of pads looking for other vehicles that use the same part #. Waaaayyyy at the bottom of the list was the 2010 Gen 2 VW Touareg. Seems that 330mm Brembo 4 piston calipers were an option on these and that the pads are the same part # as the RS3. This opens up a whole host of options.

The Brembo pad part # is 07.B314.83 these pads accept wear sensors and are the same part number as Brembo lists for the RS3/TTRS.

I can also confirm that many of these part numbers cross reference with the cars listed above. The Aston Martin DB9 uses these pads on the rear as well as some models of Corvette.

If you cross-reference the Toureg fitment for pads there are a number of options, including:

Pagid: 1977740
EBC Red: DP31908c
Hawk HPS: HB632F.586,
And a whole host of track pads from Hawk: HB632N.586, HB632Z.586, HB632B.586

There are loads of others as well and these pads all appear to have the notch for the wear sensors.

The Caveat is that the pad dimensions APPEAR to be the same or very close but there is some variation, often by only a few tenths of a millimeter. The main difference being in the pad thickness which could mean that some pads are too thick.

Centric lists their specific pads for the Q5 Brembos as measuring 131.8mm wide x 77.5mm high x 15.8mm thick
The Brembo RS3/TTRS/Touareg pads are listed as: 131.6mm wide x 77.3mm high x 17.1mm thick
Hawk lists their Touareg pads as: 131mm wide x 77mm high x 15mm thick (These numbers seem rounded)

I still need to get a set of calipers and measure the OEM pads that came with my Q5 calipers but I may bite the bullet and just buy a set of Hawk pads for the Touareg and see if they are indeed compatible.

In looking through pages of pad shapes and sizes for Brembo calipers, I also just discovered that the 2010 (And probably other years) Subaru WRX STi also has the same pad size and shape as the Q5 Brembo pads however these pads don't include a notch for the wear sensor. It does look like they'll fit though and offers another huge selection of pads possibilities.

I'll do some more research but looking promising for these calipers!!

Here are pad diagrams from a few manufacturers for comparison:

Centric direct replacement pads for Q5 Brembo Calipers:

Brembo RS3/TTRS/Touareg pads:

Hawk Touareg (And apparently Corvette) pads:

And the Brembo Subaru WRX STI pads:

**JU$DUIT** · 11-13-2015 07:46 PM

@drewgold... Nice work, very thorough!

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**drewgold** · 12-03-2015 07:07 PM

For the interest of anyone with this setup, I was able to track down a set of WRX STI pads from a NASIOC forum member who was kind enough to send me an old set.
In comparing the pads side by side they are virtually identical, only major difference is that the Subaru pads don't accommodate a wear sensor.

As far as size goes, the backs are identical width and height-wise. The Subaru pads have a slightly larger hub radius cutout but barely. I test fitted them in my calipers and they seem to fit perfectly. Being as these pads are super worn, I can't road test them but I don't see any reason why they won't work. This opens up a huge list of pad options for thee calipers!!

Pads were from a 2010 Subaru Impreza WRX STI.
OEM pads on top in pics and STI pads on the bottom:

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**LINDW4LL** · 12-03-2015 07:36 PM

Yep- good tip. These use an incredibly popular pad.

It's also used on the CTS V, Camaro SS, Evo X, STi, Aston Vantage, TTRS, R8/GTR rear caliper, etc...

**TCHUN003** · 12-03-2015 10:16 PM

So many more pad options now thanks to drew. I love the options this has opened up for the B8's.

**LA_S4** · 12-23-2015 02:54 PM

Will these brakes fit the b8.5 S4 OEM 18 inch rims?

**CloseEncounters** · 12-23-2015 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by TCHUN003

So many more pad options now thanks to drew. I love the options this has opened up for the B8's.

Could not agree more, the OEM pads are just not up to the task, especially during sprited runs. I'm Installing the Stoptechs Pads in a few days. I'll get back with a review after I've bedded them in.

Originally Posted by LA_S4

Will these brakes fit the b8.5 S4 OEM 18 inch rims?

Yes ...they will easily.

**The Infiltrator** · 12-23-2015 05:00 PM

Will these even fit my VMR V708 RS4 19x8.5 +38 with a 5mm spacer?
I also understand we don't need carriers for these?
What did you guys use to plug the pad sensor connection since these new pads don't have them?

https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...e_2/ES2730473/
https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...e_2/ES2856005/

**Thomas Chagrin** · 12-23-2015 05:03 PM

They bolt straight to the uprights. Just like 17z or 18z to B5, B6, B7.

**poweredbyaudi7** · 12-23-2015 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Infiltrator

Will these even fit my VMR V708 RS4 19x8.5 with a 5mm spacer?
I also understand we don't need carriers for these?
What did you guys use to plug the pad sensor connection since these new pads don't have them?

https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...e_2/ES2730473/
https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...e_2/ES2856005/

I just zipties the old sensor onto the spindle...problem solved

**The Infiltrator** · 12-23-2015 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by poweredbyaudi7

I just zipties the old sensor onto the spindle...problem solved

Thanks! I'm asking if they will fit and see if anyone has the same size rims as me since I'm not home to measure with the template. I want to order before the sale is gone.

Edit: They will fit and the sale is going on for the calipers until Jan 3rd.

**ECS Tuning-Audi** · 12-24-2015 06:50 AM

For those needing to know if this kit will work with there wheels we do have a template available for you to print out.

Click HERE

Jason

**SDF1** · 12-24-2015 07:55 AM

Now let's find the lightest weight disc and best dual piston calipers for our cars!

**The Infiltrator** · 12-24-2015 08:37 AM

Does anyone have some S4 rear caliper carriers for sale. New isn't cheap!

https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...ear/ES2189938/
https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...iper/ES450979/
https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...ear/ES2063841/
https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...iper/ES450981/

**drewgold** · 12-24-2015 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by The Infiltrator

Will these even fit my VMR V708 RS4 19x8.5 +38 with a 5mm spacer?
I also understand we don't need carriers for these?
What did you guys use to plug the pad sensor connection since these new pads don't have them?

https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...e_2/ES2730473/
https://www.ecstuning.com/Audi-B8_S4...e_2/ES2856005/

You can get Touareg front pad wear sensors that will fit the pads and they have the same plug end. Or ECS sells plug caps.

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