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    Senior Member Two Rings NJeuro's Avatar
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    P0121 P0221 no throttle response help

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    Yesterday driving epc light came on no throttle response and running fought check the codes found p0121 and p0221 cleared the code re aligned throttle body seems fine next time I drive the car same thing happened what is next to do replace throttle body

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    Bump need help please keeps randomly happening

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    Replacing the throttle body will take a chunk of change. Before you do that, check the wires and connections. Sometimes a dirty connector will allow current through sometimes but not other times. That would explain a sudden change in performance. Also, did you clean the throttle body? Do you have VCDS? I'm assuming you do because you said you aligned the throttle body and you can only do that with VCDS software, but you gave engine codes in OBD2 form. So I was confused. Anyway, if you didn't clean the throttle body out, it may be gunked up with oil and grime in there. If that's the case, a good cleaning could likely solve your problem. But take your time and be careful, there are very delicate parts in there. So I personally would 1. Clean throttle body. 2. Clean and check connectors/wires. 3. Re-align throttle body with VCDS software. If that doesn't work, I'd start looking at replacing throttle body. Hope this helps.

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    Senior Member Two Rings NJeuro's Avatar
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    I'm using motoza software to read the codes and align the throttle body I've cleaned it and check the connector seems fine only really way to make sure is with pinout of the connector which I can't seemed to find on the internet

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    The DTC P0121 is a throttle pedal sensor G69 implausible signal output to the ECU, and the P0221 is for the G188 throttle angle sensor in the throttle body, Implausible sensor output signal to the ECU. Since both of these DTCs one for the accelerator pedal sensor and one for the throttle angle sensor output to the ECU, are occurring at the same time, the most likely cause is a faulty wiring harness connector or broken wires between the accelerator pedal, throttle body and ECU. You can log the throttle angle sensor and the accelerator pedal sensor output values in the ECU measuring blocks, log both sensors at the same time. Then after the fault occurs, graph the logged measuring block data and look for the glitch in the two sensor output signals that occurs at the same time, or not. While logging try wiggling and pulling on the wiring harness between the gas pedal, throttle body and ECU, and see if you can provoke the sensor implausible signal DTC to occur when you move the wiring harnesses around.

    See the info here to replace the pedal wiring harness connector and wiring terminals:http://www.underhoodservice.com/audi...-stored-in-ecm
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    checked both connectors at the pedal and tb all seemed okay wiggle harness no fault occurs its intermittently happens should ohm from the pcm to the tb to make sure theres no open or load test the wiring ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJeuro View Post
    checked both connectors at the pedal and tb all seemed okay wiggle harness no fault occurs its intermittently happens should ohm from the pcm to the tb to make sure theres no open or load test the wiring ?
    Intermittent faults are often difficult to track down. It would be helpful to see if there is any Freeze Frame information stored when the electronic throttle control fault/s occur. That might help determine the cause of the accelerator/throttle pedal, TB faults. You can try checking the continuity of the wiring to the throttle body, accelerator pedal and ECU, using your Ohm meter but I am skeptical that testing will reveal any problems. I think the best way to approach this is to log the accelerator pedal sensor measuring blocks, (there are two sensors for the gas pedal position, and the sensors are inverse of the other, as one increases, the other decreases.) and see if there is freeze frame information associated with the DTCs occurring. Keep in mind that the specific DTCs are for implausible sensor signal values received by the ECU, NOT intermittent signal faults, even though the actual fault conditions occur intermittently. In this context the term "Implausible" means the there is something wrong with the sensor signal as received by the ECU, the voltage is to high, or to low, or there is something else wrong with the signal that the ECU recognizes as being outside of the acceptable allowable signal range limits. It is possible also, that the tuned binary file has been edited with the wrong values written into the bin file, that when certain operating conditions exist, the ECU is expecting to see sensor signal values significantly different than the sensor values at that instant. Freeze frame data could help determine what the source of the errors is from.
    Last edited by diagnosticator; 08-30-2014 at 04:00 PM.
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    Can you look at the blocks on the free version of vag com . I removed the sprint booster thinking maybe possible cause


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    Bump need help still please
    It's a constant fault now won't go away tried installing a used tb still issue exist wish I had a wiring diagram to I can load test the wires

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJeuro View Post
    Bump need help still please
    It's a constant fault now won't go away tried installing a used tb still issue exist wish I had a wiring diagram to I can load test the wires
    You can get wiring diagrams from Audi Erwin, and any other service manual content, one day subscription and you can print all you want for 24 hours.
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