Another recommend an ECU remap for the BiTDI Euro SQ5?

**Patu** · 08-23-2014 03:34 AM

At the moment I'm looking at the MTM M-Cantronic ECU remap but it's nearly £1500 (USD $2000)!!!

The ABT remap is listed at €4000!!!!

Anyone know of any others on the market for the euro BiTDI?

Cheers

**QUBE5** · 08-24-2014 12:24 AM

MTM is the best, since they claim 365 vs ABT 360.

Both will void warranty, although ABT claims to not be traceable because of its plug and play piggyback ECU box.....which may be a dubious claim....since I haven't seen anyone confirm that..

REVO & APR don't currently have a tune for the biturbo Euro TDI...

A German Tuner known as B&B has claimed to have produced a tune for the SQ5 TDI which produces 400 hp and they have a video on. YouTube.com

**Patu** · 08-24-2014 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by QUBE5

MTM is the best, since they claim 365 vs ABT 360.

A German Tuner known as B&B has claimed to have produced a tune for the SQ5 TDI which produces 400 hp and they have a video on. YouTube.com

Great thanks!

**QUBE5** · 08-24-2014 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by Patu

Great thanks!

Your very welcome

**spijun** · 08-24-2014 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by QUBE5

MTM is the best, since they claim 365 vs ABT 360.

Both will void warranty, although ABT claims to not be traceable because of its plug and play piggyback ECU box.....which may be a dubious claim....since I haven't seen anyone confirm that..

REVO & APR don't currently have a tune for the biturbo Euro TDI...

A German Tuner known as B&B has claimed to have produced a tune for the SQ5 TDI which produces 400 hp and they have a video on. YouTube.com

I disagree with you that the MTM is the best. From ABT get a complete new ECU, replace the original ECU and you can always return it.
Other companies flash the original ECU and lose the factory warranty. That is why extremely expensive flash from ABT
ABT cooperate with the VW group in many countries provide their services in the VW / Audi service

BB-Automobiltechnik:

Level 1 Comfort: 250 kW / 340 hp / 720 Nm € 1498,

Modification of electronics
Optimization of the electronic injection code fields
slight increase in boost pressure to ca.0, 15bar
Adaptation of the injection code fields to the increased boost pressure
Alteration of torque control and speed limiter
Amendment and adaptation of transmission electronics

Level 1 Sports: approximately 268 kW / 365 PS / 750 Nm € 1698,

Modification of electronics
Optimization of the electronic injection code fields
slight increase in boost pressure to ca.0, 2bar
Adaptation of the injection code fields to the increased boost pressure
Alteration of torque control and speed limiter
Amendment and adaptation of transmission electronics

Level 2: Approx 294 kW / 400 hp / 800 Nm € 4,950

B & B injection elements
Optimization of air induction, air ducts and intercooler
Electronics change and adaptation to this work
Increase in boost pressure to ca.0, 25bar (total)
Optimization of the electronic injection code fields
Adaptation of the injection code fields to the increased boost pressure
Alteration of torque control and speed limiter
Amendment and adaptation of transmission electronics
Motor coordination

Here are the data for Oettinger:
3.0 TDI - 230 kW (313 PS) > 273 kW (370 PS) 2.290,00 Euro

**Patu** · 08-24-2014 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by spijun

From ABT get a complete new ECU, replace the original ECU and you can always return it.
Other companies flash the original ECU and lose the factory warranty. That is why extremely expensive flash from ABT
ABT cooperate with the VW group in many countries provide their services in the VW / Audi service

You may be right here spijun, the problem is the cost. The ABT ECU replacement is around USD$5000!!! Perhaps you get what you pay for but at £1800 (USD$3000) I might have to suck it up.

The MTM M-Cantronic is also an ECU hardware upgrade so can be removed just like the ABT option.

BB-Autotechnik don't seem to operate outside mainland europe so I'd have to take my car over there to have it done if I wanted to go with the flash option..

Thanks for the info, really helpful.

Cheers

**IanSQ5** · 08-26-2014 05:01 AM

MRC remap is available

Revo is in BETA testing

DTUK offer a tuning box as do others.

**Flieger** · 08-26-2014 06:24 AM

Op, depending on where you are, you could take your SQ5 to APR UK and offer to let them develop the tune on your car. APR likely only doesn't offer it because they have lacked the vehicle to grab the original coding from to start working on. Just a thought...and you may even end up with it all gratis in the end.

**squashman** · 08-26-2014 06:27 AM

Piggybacks are a way of the past. I'd avoid that route if possible. An ECU reflash is vastly superior.

**IanSQ5** · 08-26-2014 06:31 AM

A piggyback will avoid a TD1 flag though keeping your warranty intact.

ECU reflash will require the ECU to be removed from the car as there is no OBDII flashing on the newer ECU's

**spijun** · 08-26-2014 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by squashman

Piggybacks are a way of the past. I'd avoid that route if possible. An ECU reflash is vastly superior.

The new TDI engines have protection, ECU must be removed from the car, then ECU modul it must be open, and then with special tools be read

**Breeze91** · 08-26-2014 07:28 PM

Willall racing have a tunable piggyback ecu with switchable maps and no TD1 flag plus actual dyno backed results+15percent with safe EGT

**squashman** · 08-28-2014 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by IanSQ5

A piggyback will avoid a TD1 flag though keeping your warranty intact.

ECU reflash will require the ECU to be removed from the car as there is no OBDII flashing on the newer ECU's

Originally Posted by spijun

The new TDI engines have protection, ECU must be removed from the car, then ECU modul it must be open, and then with special tools be read

I would rather a TD1 flag than a piggyback hacked into my ECU fooling what it sees. No thanks. I would only wait for an OBDII flash when it eventually becomes available. There's a lot more to performance tuning then tricking the ECU into making more boost.

**IanSQ5** · 08-28-2014 06:32 AM

There wont be an OBDII flash, it will be an ECU out of the car bench flash so you'd be waiting forever.

I agree that the best solution is a full map however given the loss of warranty and the need to remove the ECU from the car I feel piggyback tuning is a decent option.

I have ran one on my SQ5 for about 10,000km with no issues.

**squashman** · 09-22-2014 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by spijun

The new TDI engines have protection, ECU must be removed from the car, then ECU modul it must be open, and then with special tools be read

Originally Posted by IanSQ5

There wont be an OBDII flash, it will be an ECU out of the car bench flash so you'd be waiting forever.

I agree that the best solution is a full map however given the loss of warranty and the need to remove the ECU from the car I feel piggyback tuning is a decent option.

I have ran one on my SQ5 for about 10,000km with no issues.

Sometimes it pays to be patient. This is good news for Euro diesel SQ5 owners.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-Port-Flashing!

**Patu** · 09-22-2014 11:14 PM

Thanks Squash, I've asked my local dealer (UK) when this will be available and cost.. Might be a better way to go...

Cheers

**spijun** · 09-23-2014 12:45 AM

Originally Posted by squashman

Sometimes it pays to be patient. This is good news for Euro diesel SQ5 owners.

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...-Port-Flashing!

Yes, but still the question remains warranty. In Europe they are much stricter regarding ECU remap

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post9496980

http://www.goapr.com/support/chip_tuning_faqs.html

**QUBE5** · 09-23-2014 01:28 AM

Even in th US they have become more difficult when it comes to warranty and tunes, but I don't think Patu is all that concerned about warranty issues. His other mods would already cause potential warranty problems.

**Patu** · 09-23-2014 02:11 AM

Originally Posted by QUBE5

Even in th US they have become more difficult when it comes to warranty and tunes, but I don't think Patu is all that concerned about warranty issues. His other mods would already cause potential warranty problems.

**IanSQ5** · 09-23-2014 02:29 AM

Any price from APR Patu or performance figures?

**Patu** · 09-23-2014 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by IanSQ5

Any price from APR Patu or performance figures?

Nothing yet Mate. They just said they're getting server updates as we speak however not all models available..

I'm going into see them to get the suspension done so I'll ask more then, probably a couple of weeks time.

**IanSQ5** · 09-23-2014 05:01 AM

Just spoke to APR, they haven't actually tried the euro SQ5 map so don't even know if it will work, it may be the same as the normal 3.0 tdi map but until they scan a car to check its unknown.

**squashman** · 09-23-2014 06:07 AM

Originally Posted by spijun

Yes, but still the question remains warranty. In Europe they are much stricter regarding ECU remap

http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...=1#post9496980

http://www.goapr.com/support/chip_tuning_faqs.html

Pay to play.

Originally Posted by IanSQ5

Just spoke to APR, they haven't actually tried the euro SQ5 map so don't even know if it will work, it may be the same as the normal 3.0 tdi map but until they scan a car to check its unknown.

Hope it works out for you guys. The calibrations are so vanilla from the factory - there's so much more on tap once things are opened up via a remap.