Hankook Ventus V2 concept2 or S1 noble2

[Albertk]

I know the S1 noble2 is a good tire, but Hankooks just come out with the new V2 concept2.

Anyone have any experience with the V2 concept2?

I'm looking to buy a set of 4, and am coming from running the discontinued eagle gts.

[SlickFix]

This is not 100% close to what you're looking at, but this summer I replaced my Avant's 17" Eagle GT's with a set of Hankook Ventus V12 EVO K110's, and they feel very similar. In fact, I think the Ventus are even quieter.

[Albertk]

This is not 100% close to what you're looking at, but this summer I replaced my Avant's 17" Eagle GT's with a set of Hankook Ventus V12 EVO K110's, and they feel very similar. In fact, I think the Ventus are even quieter.

Nice, but I'm looking for all season tires. I've been told that Hankooks make good tires.

Ventus V2 Concept2

S1 Noble2

[Charles.waite]

Have you checked out the reviews and tests at TireRack? i would do that. Try to filter out the results to german cars or just Audis to get some better reviews.

[NathanGrayW]

I had a pair of Hankook concept 2's that were on the back of my car. I can't really comment on them however, they were getting old and needed replaced soon anyways. I got a hole in one that couldn't be repaired, so I replaced them.

I put a pair of Continental DWS on the rear and I like them more than the Hankook's that were on there.
They definitely have more grip than the old tires, but that is probably due to the older tires.

I do know that for the Continental DWS vs Hankook noble2 it's a trade off for slightly better snow performance, or slightly better summer performance.
I went for slightly better snow.
Those were the two tires I was looking into buying.

I'll be getting another pair of continentals before winter for the front.

[rich045]

why would you only change the rears?

[NathanGrayW]

why would you only change the rears?

My rear passenger, and spare tire were both bad. (tire went flat, went to put spare on and it was bad as well.) Never checked when I bought the car a few months ago...

When you replace tires in pairs, the best tires should go on the back. Because understeer is a lot easier to control than oversteer.

And I don't have any extra $300 for the front.

[Charles.waite]

My rear passenger, and spare tire were both bad. (tire went flat, went to put spare on and it was bad as well.) Never checked when I bought the car a few months ago...

When you replace tires in pairs, the best tires should go on the back. Because understeer is a lot easier to control than oversteer.

And I don't have any extra $300 for the front.

Uhhhh, You never replace tires in "pairs" on a quattro car.

[NathanGrayW]

Uhhhh, You never replace tires in "pairs" on a quattro car.

Tires have to be within 5% rolling diameter for a quattro system. I am well within that spec.

[Albertk]

Have you checked out the reviews and tests at TireRack? i would do that. Try to filter out the results to german cars or just Audis to get some better reviews.

The noble2's have great reviews on tirerack. Surprisingly ranked higher in overall than the DSW's, though not nearly as popular Check this out.

The concept2's are pretty new so not too much feedback on the tires yet-- especially for snow performance.

I had a pair of Hankook concept 2's that were on the back of my car. I can't really comment on them however, they were getting old and needed replaced soon anyways. I got a hole in one that couldn't be repaired, so I replaced them.

I put a pair of Continental DWS on the rear and I like them more than the Hankook's that were on there.
They definitely have more grip than the old tires, but that is probably due to the older tires.

I do know that for the Continental DWS vs Hankook noble2 it's a trade off for slightly better snow performance, or slightly better summer performance.
I went for slightly better snow.
Those were the two tires I was looking into buying.

I'll be getting another pair of continentals before winter for the front.

Good point-- snow performance is important, but quattro does such a good job in the snow anyway that I'm not too worried.


I need 4 new tires and can't decide if I want to pay extra for ultra high performance all season tires over just "high performance" all season tires. As I understand it, the latter offers better all around performance while sacrificing summer performance, AND they're also cheaper. Seems like a better option to me. Can anyone weigh in on this?

[NathanGrayW]

Good point-- snow performance is important, but quattro does such a good job in the snow anyway that I'm not too worried.

AWD is awesome for going forward, but doesn't do anything for stopping.
Thought I'd throw that out there.

[Charles.waite]

Tires have to be within 5% rolling diameter for a quattro system. I am well within that spec.

Are the tires new front and rear? Are the amounts of wear comparable?

I had a pair of Hankook concept 2's that were on the back of my car. I can't really comment on them however, they were getting old and needed replaced soon anyways. I got a hole in one that couldn't be repaired, so I replaced them.

I put a pair of Continental DWS on the rear and I like them more than the Hankook's that were on there.
They definitely have more grip than the old tires, but that is probably due to the older tires.

Because that doesn't really sound like they are....

[Albertk]

AWD is awesome for going forward, but doesn't do anything for stopping.
Thought I'd throw that out there.

That's a very good point.

[NathanGrayW]

Are the tires new front and rear? Are the amounts of wear comparable?

235 in the front, 225 in the rear.

Probably 5/32 in front, and 10/32 in rear.

You can run 235, and 225 together no problem. My front tires being worn is only helping.

[Albertk]

Tires have to be within 5% rolling diameter for a quattro system. I am well within that spec.

Are the tires new front and rear? Are the amounts of wear comparable?



Because that doesn't really sound like they are....

I think both of you guys are right here. You can run with slightly different diameters, but you are putting an unnecessary strain on the differentials/awd system. The best case scenario would be to have all 4 tires identical, but that never happens because of uneven wear anyway.

Edit: Actually nevermind. I misunderstood you Nathan. You probably don't want to be running two different tread patterns. Its probably not the best for your drivetrain.

[Charles.waite]

235 in the front, 225 in the rear.

Probably 5/32 in front, and 10/32 in rear.

You can run 235, and 225 together no problem. My front tires being worn is only helping.

Seems legit......

[NathanGrayW]

I think both of you guys are right here. You can run with slightly different diameters, but you are putting an unnecessary strain on the differentials/awd system. The best case scenario would be to have all 4 tires identical, but that never happens because of uneven wear anyway.

Edit: Actually nevermind. I misunderstood you Nathan. You probably don't want to be running two different tread patterns. Its probably not the best for your drivetrain.

What does tread pattern matter? The only thing Quattro cares about is tire diameter.

Audi manual even specifies you can change per axle.

[NathanGrayW]

Seems legit......

I am well within rolling diameter specs for a Quattro.

[Albertk]

What does tread pattern matter? The only thing Quattro cares about is tire diameter.

Audi manual even specifies you can change per axle.

It's only what I've read. Never tried it myself.

[NathanGrayW]

It's only what I've read. Never tried it myself.

Its only for handling. If you want the best performance, you want all 4 wheels to react the same.
I'll be getting matching tires for the front before winter.

You could have 4 different tread patterns, and as long as they're the same diameter your diffs could care less.

[evo_ski]

Different tread patterns will help confuse the hell out of the ABS system especially in poor weather.

[NathanGrayW]

Different tread patterns will help confuse the hell out of the ABS system especially in poor weather.

Fair enough, I'll be getting matching tires anyways when it's time for bad weather anyways.



If I destroy my car it's my fault. But I am WELL within spec that Audi recommends.

[Ji99a]

Fair enough, I'll be getting matching tires anyways when it's time for bad weather anyways.



If I destroy my car it's my fault. But I am WELL within spec that Audi recommends.

You are but it is highly recommended on all AWD vehicles to have the same size and tread pattern.

[NathanGrayW]

You are but it is highly recommended on all AWD vehicles to have the same size and tread pattern.

I agree. And I never stated otherwise.

[PreciseD]

The Quattro system only allows for 4/32 difference between 2 axles and 2/32 if on the same axle. This is direct from Audi.

[Charles.waite]

Tires have to be within 5% rolling diameter for a quattro system. I am well within that spec.

I agree. And I never stated otherwise.

Uh huh.

I get it. Tires are expensive. I struggled along for a while with mismatched tires. My car hated me for it. The handling was shit and the rear diff clicked badly. It took a little bit to save up enough to get 4 new tires but it made a massive amount of difference in how the car handled and drove compared to the 1st set of mismatched Yokohamas, and then the shitty Sunew junk that I got for free from a friend.

The difference being I KNEW that this was bad and didn't try to justify it to myself pretending it was within spec.

[NathanGrayW]

Uh huh.

I never disagreed that it was recommended to run all identical tires. Not quite sure where you think I said it wasn't recommended...
I'm not trying to start an argument

I said it's not required as long as you with 5%. Granted, a lot of people say 3%...

There is a 1.24% difference between a 225/40/18 and a 235/40/18.
Worst case scenario I am at a 1.24% difference. However, my front tires are worn. Which will make the difference even smaller.


Here are a couple of threads I found.
Click -- this guy is running 225/40's with 255/35's. Go yell at him.
Click

Now to be clear. I NEVER said it was the best thing to do. But it's not "Required" to run all 'Identical' tires.

[LINDW4LL]

This is a stupid argument. I am the biggest critic of people running staggered wheels/tires on quattro, but 3% is spec. He is well within that specification and is doing no harm to his vehicle.

Yes I think it's goofy that he's running mismatched tires, but I know he knows that.

[NathanGrayW]

This is a stupid argument. I am the biggest critic of people running staggered wheels/tires on quattro, but 3% is spec. He is well within that specification and is doing no harm to his vehicle.

Yes I think it's goofy that he's running mismatched tires, but I know he knows that.

I wouldn't be doing it if I had an other option. It came up unexpected, and I found a great on these.

[LINDW4LL]

I wouldn't be doing it if I had an other option. It came up unexpected, and I found a great on these.

Yeah I completely understand. I just think it's funny how everyone was attacking you. Yeah, it's janky but it's not doing damage to your car in any way whatsoever.

[Charles.waite]

It IS in fact causing undue wear on the diffs. Saying it's "not doing damage to your car in any way whatsoever" is also untrue.

You guys know how the torsen AWD systems work right? sure its not a lot, and its within the tolerances, but you're still causing unnecessary wear. My point is don't delude yourself about it being totally fine. It will cause a worn diff down the road if you maintain the messed up circumferences.

[NathanGrayW]

Yeah I completely understand. I just think it's funny how everyone was attacking you. Yeah, it's janky but it's not doing damage to your car in any way whatsoever.

Thanks, it definitely looks jank.

People just hear things, and they don't go through the trouble of actually looking up the information themselves. There is a TON of information on this topic, and it all comes down to the same thing. Stay with 3%, 5 max.

[NathanGrayW]

It IS in fact causing undue wear on the diffs. Saying it's "not doing damage to your car in any way whatsoever" is also untrue.

You guys know how the torsen AWD systems work right? sure its not a lot, and its within the tolerances, but you're still causing unnecessary wear. My point is don't delude yourself about it being totally fine. It will cause a worn diff down the road if you maintain the messed up circumferences.

No one has 4 tires that are all identically the same diameter.

Seeing as Audi designed the system, and allows for 3-5% difference, I'll listen to Audi and say it's fine.
So unless you're a German scientist that works for Audi...

I would also make sure you guys keep your tires all at the exact same PSI, as well. Don't want to cause any extra strain.

[evo_ski]

Nobody's tire are the same diameter.

The what now?

[Charles.waite]

No one has 4 tires that are all identically the same diameter.

Seeing as Audi designed the system, and allows for 3-5% difference, I'll listen to Audi and say it's fine.
So unless you're a German scientist that works for Audi...

I would also make sure you guys keep your tires all at the exact same PSI, as well. Don't want to cause any extra strain.

You stick with your way, I'll stick with mine. I'm 99% confident I know whose diffs will last longer........

[Ji99a]

And nobody's tires are the same diameter? really? That's why you rotate them regularly is to keep them within .002% of each other

[NathanGrayW]

And nobody's tires are the same diameter? really? That's why you rotate them regularly is to keep them within .002% of each other

Go get your tires measured. I doubt they're within .002%

[evo_ski]

I would bet my tires are within 1/16 of each other or less.

[LINDW4LL]

You stick with your way, I'll stick with mine. I'm 99% confident I know whose diffs will last longer........

Sure, technically having 0% difference will cause less wear than 1.5% difference. But that extra wear would never be measurable because it's so minor. It's like saying that running a 5mm lower offset wheel than stock will put excess wear on your wheel bearings. It's true, but the extra wear will never be noticed.

Did you know you can tow Torsen cars with two wheels on the ground for up to 50 miles? How much damage do you think that does to the diffs, relatively?

[NathanGrayW]

I would bet my tires are within 1/16 of each other or less.

I won't argue with that, but saying .001% is ridiculous.


Also, I never said you should do it either. I didn't have a choice.


You guys act like it's going to destroy the car. It's not, Audi specifically states a specification to be within. As long a you're within their spec, you're fine.