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    Sorta DIY: Leaky Heater Hose Repair for under $25 [ 1.5 / 5 Beer Difficulty Rating]

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    Like many others have encountered, this crummy hose began to leak on the connector end behind the passenger side of the engine. The coupler and hose are fine, but the metal OEM clamp is garbage.



    The cost of replacing the entire hose assembly is ~$100 for a new OEM hose... lame. Now you probably could get by with just replacing the clamp, but a whole new coupler, complete with new fresh o-ring is only about $20, so might as well swap it since all the o-rings in these things seem to go over time. I got the idea for this repair from this thread:

    http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ater-core-hose

    So without further ado:



    Parts Needed:

    VW Coupler Piece:
    1J0122291C
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    A few small changes between the VW and OEM S4 coupler, the angle is ever so slightly different, but works fine and clears everything. The retaining clip is on the opposite side, but other than that works the same. And the VW uses a flange on the end, where the OEM uses barbs. As far as I know you cannot buy just the OEM S4 coupler, so thats why I am using the VW one as it is sold separately.




    Napa SureGrip 15/16 - 1 1/16" Shrink Coolant Clamp
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    Cant find it on their online site anymore for some reason, but they still have them if you go in the store.
    ~$2-$4

    The SureGrip clamps are really just rebranded Gates Shrink Clamps. Just like electrical shrink tube when heat is applied they shrink. These are much more robust then their electrical cousins, and allow even clamping pressure. They are one time use, but they are very clean, and less clunky that a worm gear clamp. I have grown fond of these things as in theory they will never come loose or need to be re-tightened.





    So pull off the MAF, Accordion Tube, and Y-Pipe (you might be able to get to the flange without removing all of these but this made it easy for me and only take a few minutes to do.)

    Also with a 17mm remove the passenger side EGT probe and lay it out of the way safely, this will give you more room to fit your hand down onto the flange. You may not need to do this, but it helped my fat hands a lot.

    For the open exposed inlet pipes and EGT hole cover them with a rag to prevent debris or coolant (in the case of the EGT hole) from getting in.

    Pull back the U shaped retaining clip on the connector flange to unlock it and allow it to be removed. For me the Quick disconnect coolant connectors always seem to stick, and usually require a good deal of force to break free (heance the 1.5 vs just 1 beer difficulty rating). Once it breaks free you will start loosing coolant. If you shove a rag into the exposed hole you will limit the draining coolant to just a slow drip and not lose much at all, keeping you from having to replace much fluid.

    Now feed the heater hose and flange up to the firewall so you can have better access to it.

    The clamp is different from other hose clamps found on the B5, Its a perfectly round ring, so there is no "crimped section" to go after with a flathead. What I did was take a pair of old tin snips and get under the lip to cut the band. In the process i chipped a piece of the OEM coupler, as its plastic is now very brittle after 13 years of service. All the more reason to just replace it. However if you get your band off cleanly, in theory you could just pop on a hose clamp and reassemble, and make this a $2 DIY.

    To ensure I got all the pieces of chipped plastic out of the hose, I disconnected the other end of the hose from the heater core, and put the garden hose on it, this flushed the hose clean and any pieces of debris that might have been hiding in it.

    I thought about trimming back the original hose to get a fresh section, but after test fitting it was still sufficiently tight. I fed the hose with the coupler on it back down to the flange, and once I thought I had the angle of the coupler lined up I marked the hose and coupler with a paintpen then removed the coupler.

    I then slid on the SureGrip clamp. This is a VERY snug fit, and getting the coupler on will take some muscle and twisting, BUT this means you are very unlikely to get a leak. I had loaned out my heat gun, so instead I used a creme brulee torch from the kitchen (Oui Oui) to evenly heat the clamp and allow it to conform and shrink. This sucker isn't going anywhere, and looks darn good if I do say so myself.



    Then feed the hose back down behind the motor, and quickly remove the rag you were using as a cork and slip on the connector. You should hear the "click" of the retaining clip verifying it is on. Now just re topoff your coolant and bleed any air out of the system, reassemble the intake and enjoy the extra cash in your pocket. Now you are free to enjoy your drink of choice!



    Anyway, thanks to those in the thread I linked above. Just thought I would share what has worked for me so far, as well as to let others know about these neat little shrink clamps if you haven't heard of them before. Zero spell checking or for that matter, effort, went into making this, so it is what it is lol
    Last edited by getslideways; 07-18-2014 at 08:51 AM.

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    I dont know wtf they were thinking on that one?!?! Had to replace a few.
    Every other clamp like that is an Oettiker. That swedged on gizmo is a pos.
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    On a 10 beer scale?
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    shrink clamps ill be giving them a shot soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rtl5009 View Post
    On a 10 beer scale?
    3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bps4 View Post
    3?
    10 beer scale always works better.
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    Nice write up, I think mine is starting to leak. I see it's only a 3 beer job out of 10, but can we drink the rest of the 12 pack anyway??
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    Quote Originally Posted by rtl5009 View Post
    10 beer scale always works better.
    That's very true.

    I had to cut the scale in half since drinking ability too would be reduced by 50% due to one hand needing to be occupied with a wrench, screwdriver, etc

    Now for someone simply supervising this DIY, where double fisting brews will still be an option, the 10 beer scale can be reimplemented. However their diminished responsibility decreases difficulty inversely with the increased beer consumption over duration:

    For Supervisor and official "tool go getter guy"
    Difficulty: 1 Beer out of 10
    Duration: 4.5 Beers

    Quote Originally Posted by jpurre View Post
    Nice write up, I think mine is starting to leak. I see it's only a 3 beer job out of 10, but can we drink the rest of the 12 pack anyway??
    Thank you, and yes, a half pillaged case of beer lying around is certainly a safety hazard, as someone could trip over it. So because of that, its always best to cool and immediately drink and then dispose of all of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtl5009 View Post
    10 beer scale always works better.
    Having 10 beers is always better.

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    right on time mine leaking ,,, new hose over 100$

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtl5009 View Post
    On a 10 beer scale?
    This is a PNW beer scale, CDAs and big IPAs require the 5 beer scale or else you risk blacking out on difficult jobs.

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    Bringing this back because my 8 months of leak free B5 S4 ownership has come to an end. Is there any reason why carefully cutting off that old pos metal clamp and just using a normal hose clamp wouldn't work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by christianb5s4 View Post
    Bringing this back because my 8 months of leak free B5 S4 ownership has come to an end. Is there any reason why carefully cutting off that old pos metal clamp and just using a normal hose clamp wouldn't work?
    That would probably work just the same, however the connector is likely going to be brittle by now, so hacking off the band and tightening a worm gear clamp runs the risk of cracking, or chipping a piece off of the connector housing. Plus a fresh new o-ring doesn't hurt either. However if you are careful it should work all the same.
    Last edited by getslideways; 03-18-2015 at 09:28 PM.

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    Nice, why not just use a worm drive clamp, or better yet oetiker?
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    Nice write-up and find. Wish it had come about a month and a half ago tho. Broke one of these during an engine pull and replaced the entire $100 hose thinking I had no choice, as my less thorough search for just the coupler came up empty lol. d'oh! This will definitely save some people money in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timtheguru View Post
    Nice, why not just use a worm drive clamp, or better yet oetiker?
    You certainly could. I just liked the cleanliness of the shrink clamp, the even pressure it applies, and that in theory it should never loosen/leak from vibration or temperature change and only serve to get tighter with hot liquid running through it and engine bay heat.

    Quote Originally Posted by waxingmoon View Post
    Nice write-up and find. Wish it had come about a month and a half ago tho. Broke one of these during an engine pull and replaced the entire $100 hose thinking I had no choice, as my less thorough search for just the coupler came up empty lol. d'oh! This will definitely save some people money in the future.
    It was around a month and a half ago, it was posted back in June 2014, it just recently got bumped. At least you know you have a fresh hose, and thank you for the kind words!

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    haha true, no prob man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by getslideways View Post
    That would probably work just the same, however the connector is likely going to be brittle by now, so hacking off the band and tightening a worm gear clamp runs the risk of cracking, or chipping a piece off of the connector housing. Plus a fresh new o-ring doesn't hurt either. However if you are careful it should work all the same.
    Thanks for the tips, it's just such a PITA spot to work in. How much coolant would come out and would I have to bleed the coolant system after if I disconnect the hose?

    Quote Originally Posted by waxingmoon View Post
    Nice write-up and find. Wish it had come about a month and a half ago tho. Broke one of these during an engine pull and replaced the entire $100 hose thinking I had no choice, as my less thorough search for just the coupler came up empty lol. d'oh! This will definitely save some people money in the future.
    Haha, it took me a little thread searching to find it. Definitely a good DIY.
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    Quote Originally Posted by christianb5s4 View Post
    Thanks for the tips, it's just such a PITA spot to work in. How much coolant would come out and would I have to bleed the coolant system after if I disconnect the hose?
    you will lose the coolant in the hose, but if you take a paper towel or cloth and shove it in the block side port you can minimize any further loss. However since you are introducing air into the cooling system, and at the highest point of the cooling system (the heater core via the hose) you will need to bleed it once getting everything back together.

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    Crap. I might just try silicone fusing tape for now and tackle it when I do the t-belt since the coolant system has to be bled then anyways.
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    So the previous owner of my car used a worm clamp...

    I just pulled into the driveway and poof, the fitting apparently broke. Unfortunately all of the parts places are closed so I guess I'll be visiting the VW parts counter on Monday. Is this really as straightforward as it appears?

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    If anyone is looking for the straight coupler the VW/Audi part number is 3B0122291B. My heater core return hose coupler was leaking. The O-Ring inside was old and not holding the pressure. It's a straight forward swap. Just need to bleed the coolant.


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    Quote Originally Posted by M1NDCRlME View Post
    So the previous owner of my car used a worm clamp...

    I just pulled into the driveway and poof, the fitting apparently broke. Unfortunately all of the parts places are closed so I guess I'll be visiting the VW parts counter on Monday. Is this really as straightforward as it appears?
    It's a difficult space to work in in my opinion, so the hardest part is getting access to the coupler in order to detach it.

    Quote Originally Posted by xalents23 View Post
    If anyone is looking for the straight coupler the VW/Audi part number is 3B0122291B. My heater core return hose coupler was leaking. The O-Ring inside was old and not holding the pressure. It's a straight forward swap. Just need to bleed the coolant.
    Any reason you went with the straight coupler as opposed to the 90 degree bend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by christianb5s4 View Post
    It's a difficult space to work in in my opinion, so the hardest part is getting access to the coupler in order to detach it.



    Any reason you went with the straight coupler as opposed to the 90 degree bend?
    The heater core return hose had a straight coupler on it that's why I got the straight coupler. The other heater core hose has the 90 degree bend coupler.

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    Oh, so you have a leak at the return hose. The one furthest towards the driver's side is the feed hose right?
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    The hose with the bleed hole from the pside of the core to the dside of the motor is the return.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xalents23 View Post
    If anyone is looking for the straight coupler the VW/Audi part number is 3B0122291B. My heater core return hose coupler was leaking. The O-Ring inside was old and not holding the pressure. It's a straight forward swap. Just need to bleed the coolant.
    Hi, does the straight coupler include an O-ring?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GVR4-201 View Post
    Hi, does the straight coupler include an O-ring?
    Yes it does include the O-ring. If you need it I got a spare one that I can sell to you. And I live in San Jose as well. Just pm me if you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xalents23 View Post
    Yes it does include the O-ring. If you need it I got a spare one that I can sell to you. And I live in San Jose as well. Just pm me if you need it.
    Oh nice, I may need that spare one you have. Let me PM you.
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    Thanks for the information.. I found the connector to the hose had broken and was about to buy the entire hose when I found this thread.. Napa will have my parts tomorrow by noon..

    Thanks again!

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    /\ /\ you are more than welcome. I am glad to hear people are getting use out of this and able to keep a few extra dollars in their pocket in the process

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    I used this as well earlier this year.

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    Thanks for reviving this. Same thing just happened to me.

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    Well done, excellent write up. Went to VW dealership today and got it in no problem. 1J0122291C worked perfectly. I thought that 1J0122291D (notice the D) would have also done the job as it looked pretty identical but the notches would have made this go the reverse way so avoid that one if anyone else thinks they can save a few more bucks as I did.

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    Bump - suregrip clamp still holding strong 7 years later?

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    I seem to be the only one who wants to bump this guy. How about another?!?

    I installed the suregrip clamps - they were a little leaky at first, but cinched down once car came up to temp.

    Found the original source of my leak was a bad o-ring in the replacement straight connector on the heater core return line (?) - the straight hose and connector on driver side. It was a URO brand coupler that has been on the car about 3 years. If you're in a bind and can't find an 22mm x 3.5mm o-ring, the Dorman Distributor O-Ring Assortment kit 80024 has one. I got mine at Autozone. Seems to be leak free for now.

    I also found aluminum versions of both couplers on Amazon that I picked up as a back-up plan. I guess I won't be needing them for now...

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