Help! 20x10 et35 245/35 R20 WILL NOT FIT!

[Wavz]

Talk about a real downer...my car is all complete with Euro-Roc Intake, Borla Exhasut and KW V2 Coilovers and my dealer is confident the AG M590 20x10 et35 R245/35 R20 will not fit. My dealer and Avant Gardem and Need4Speed were on the phone yesterday and dealer says no way and AG/Need4Speed says it should work. Does anyone have a 2014 installed with 20x10 et35 wrapped with 245/35 R20's?

I am leaving to go talk to my dealer this morning to see for myself. I have a lot of confiencence in both parties involved, but would like to know if anyone has had success with this setup.

[AudiTFSI3o3]

what exactly isn't fitting? is the offset too low for a 10" wide wheel and hitting the fenders? is the bolt pattern wrong?

[RavinJetta]

I have that exact figment from ag with 245/35 and no issues. Running m510s 20x10

[SteveYem]

10" wide at +35 offset sounds pretty aggressive, but the 245 tire width will help a bit with fender clearance. Should be no issue with suspension clearance.

[Drof]

tons of s4's are running 20x10 et35 AG's. AG has to be the most popular wheel choice on the S4 from what i've seen lol.

[Wavz]

Talk about a real downer...my car is all complete with Euro-Roc Intake, Borla Exhasut and KW V2 Coilovers and my dealer is confident the AG M590 20x10 et35 R245/35 R20 will not fit. My dealer and Avant Gardem and Need4Speed were on the phone yesterday and dealer says no way and AG/Need4Speed says it should work. Does anyone have a 2014 installed with 20x10 et35 wrapped with 245/35 R20's?

I am leaving to go talk to my dealer this morning to see for myself. I have a lot of confiencence in both parties involved, but would like to know if anyone has had success with this setup.

The comment being made is the wheel (not the tire) will hit the metal lip of my fender. Currently, the dealer is saying the wheel (again not tire) is sticking out 1/2" - 3/4" past the fender as the when the car is sitting on the ground.

[Wavz]

My dealer is looking to see if there is a difference in suspension components between 2012 and 2014. I am concerned something changed on the 2014 that is causing a problem with fitment.

FYI the offset on the wheels have been verified that they are truely et35.

[staticuxo]

as you already know et35 on a 10" is aggressive.. so yes, it might poke (especially up front) depending on camber and ride height. isn't that why you stretched a 245 vs. a 255?

[AudiTFSI3o3]

as you already know et35 on a 10" is aggressive.. so yes, it might poke (especially up front) depending on camber and ride height. isn't that why you stretched a 245 vs. a 255?

right?

and since you're on V2s, why not just raise it?

[staticuxo]

right?

and since you're on V2s, why not just raise it?

or go lower and the negative camber will help it tuck.. lol. -2.5 camber all around ftw!

seriously though, i'm not sure how some people are saying (in other threads) they can run 20x10 et35 or even et40 with 255s as some have mentioned.. and 'not rub'.

i've ran two different 20x10 setups, both with 255s and had rubbing issues. 20x10 et42 (current HRE P44SC setup) rubs up front with michelin ps2 and my previous vossen CV2 rubbed with hankook ventus v12. i rolled the fenders on my previous B8 which resolved it, but i also took out the spacers to run et45 up front. i also rubbed et40 in the rear and had to grind down the nub at the rear fender/bump.. after this, i was rub free.

[Wavz]

The comment being made is the wheel (not the tire) will hit the metal lip of my fender. Currently, the dealer is saying the wheel (again not tire) is sticking out 1/2" - 3/4" past the fender as the when the car is sitting on the ground.

There is no difference in componets between the 2012 and 2014.

[Wavz]

right?

and since you're on V2s, why not just raise it?

I can raise it but for two reasons I would not do this.

1. Looks
2. At some point I will hit a bump and get full travel on the suspension and cause a problem.

[RavinJetta]

Here is mine on lowered on OE's with a 245/35 tire. No rubbing on except on a major dip and only then barely.

[chuthis]

Yeah this setup has been done a handful of times on the B8 at different suspension heights. I'm on OE's and it def pokes up front, but it never rubs (up front). If you're slammed, you'd just want to dial in some more camber to make sure it clears the fender under suspension compression. Like staticuxo said, as you lower it, it'll naturally have more neg camber anyway but adjustable control arms wouldn't hurt either.... :)

Mine on OE's and 255/30's with some ahi poke

[AKPS4]

are you sure they provided the right offset? can you measure it to verify? I've been considering 20x10's and it always seemed like so many people have not had problems running them or were able to do so with minimal rubbing.

[staticuxo]

are you sure they provided the right offset? can you measure it to verify? I've been considering 20x10's and it always seemed like so many people have not had problems running them or were able to do so with minimal rubbing.

IMHO, they're all lying.. lol. as mentioned above, i've run 2 different 20x10 setups on 2 different S4s. let me know if you want to meet up and i'll show you my current specs in person. when i met you at the diner with pete, i still had my b8 with winters on if i recall?

actually, i might be going to captree sunday morning then the elite motorsports open house.. let me know!

[Usa]

Yeah 20's just look too big on this car in my humble opinion.

[Wavz]

I have that exact figment from ag with 245/35 and no issues. Running m510s 20x10

Do you know how much negative camber you have on the rear end? I was at my dealer a couple of hours and we are rubbing on the rear end.


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[RavinJetta]

Do you know how much negative camber you have on the rear end? I was at my dealer a couple of hours and we are rubbing on the rear end.


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I don't off hand but when I orginally got it aligned when I got the springs they tried to get it as close to spec. I was running the peelers for a while before these.

[typer100]

Yeah 20's just look too big on this car in my humble opinion.

Depends on the wheel. A wheel with more spokes will look smaller.

[Need4Speed]

Here is a quick update for everyone on this.

After speaking to the dealership and addressing Mr. Wavra's concerns on the fitment, and answering all his questions for him.

We concluded the following.

The fitment of the wheels and tires was exact and proper for the vehicle in question.

After verifying every possible detail for the wheels that was provided to Mr. Wavra (20x10 ET 35 wrapped in 245/35/20 tires) which is spot on for the fitment being achieved.

We received images from Mr. Wavra and concluded that the concern was the dealership had not adjusted the height of the vehicle and provided the camber so that it provides the identical fitment to the famous S4 here on the forum.

This fitment does work on the B8 S4 all that is needed and the largest factor is just proper adjustment of the ride height and adjustments to achieve the proper amount of negative camber for the setup.

[Wavz]

Here is a quick update for everyone on this.

After speaking to the dealership and addressing Mr. Wavra's concerns on the fitment, and answering all his questions for him.

We concluded the following.

The fitment of the wheels and tires was exact and proper for the vehicle in question.

After verifying every possible detail for the wheels that was provided to Mr. Wavra (20x10 ET 35 wrapped in 245/35/20 tires) which is spot on for the fitment being achieved.

We received images from Mr. Wavra and concluded that the concern was the dealership had not adjusted the height of the vehicle and provided the camber so that it provides the identical fitment to the famous S4 here on the forum.

This fitment does work on the B8 S4 all that is needed and the largest factor is just proper adjustment of the ride height and adjustments to achieve the proper amount of negative camber for the setup.

You beat me to the punch on this. Paul is correct and did an amazing job helping me and my dealership with the setup. My dealer is completing the work on Monday so I can finally have my car.

I want to thank Paul and Need4Speed for their customer service. Paul actually worked his tail off yesterday on his day off to help me out. He had staff back in the office helping out as well as Avant Garde. Superior customer survive and that being said does not do it justice.

The fitment will clear with the setup but in my opinion you cannot go any more aggressive (i.e. less than an et35). It is an amazing look but it takes a special individual to accept it.

Thanks making me feel like I was your only customer. Amazing!!



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[Antsa4]

The 20x10 et35 setup should fit. I am running 255/30/20 with that setup and have no rubbing up front with mild fender roll and a very slight rub when I have a full back seat over big dips. Here are a couple pics to see how far I am dropped.
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[DEEZ]

That fitment is dialed! Thanks for the pics. I've got the same setup coming in the grigio 590s with the same size, brand tires- Running OE's right now but will probably pull the trigger
on the H&R coils after seeing this setup.

The 20x10 et35 setup should fit. I am running 255/30/20 with that setup and have no rubbing up front with mild fender roll and a very slight rub when I have a full back seat over big dips. Here are a couple pics to see how far I am dropped.
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[will13k7]

The 20x10 et35 setup should fit. I am running 255/30/20 with that setup and have no rubbing up front with mild fender roll and a very slight rub when I have a full back seat over big dips. Here are a couple pics to see how far I am dropped.
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one of the better looking S4s!

[Drof]

this is really an et35? I figured it would poke out more then that...while watching tag motorsports accuair s4 they had an et36 and it looked like at ride height the rims were poking out a decent amount...

are you running some camber? the top portion of the rim doesn't poke out compared to the fender as much as I thought it would

The 20x10 et35 setup should fit. I am running 255/30/20 with that setup and have no rubbing up front with mild fender roll and a very slight rub when I have a full back seat over big dips. Here are a couple pics to see how far I am dropped.
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[AKPS4]

i agree, it certainly doesnt look like it sticks out as far as the other photos shown above.

How is everyone doing on tire wear with these camber adjustments? I want to consider getting the M510's in matte black and in 20x10's but dont want to run through tires every year or two due to uneven wear.

[Esoteric]

I bet the magic for Antsa's car is camber and fender roll - without the roll, i'll bet it would rub fairly significantly.

That said, it looks excellent - in fact it looks a lot like those cars with 20x10 et 40 - 43 without rolling.

i agree, it certainly doesnt look like it sticks out as far as the other photos shown above.

How is everyone doing on tire wear with these camber adjustments? I want to consider getting the M510's in matte black and in 20x10's but dont want to run through tires every year or two due to uneven wear.

[d.p]

Depends on the wheel. A wheel with more spokes will look smaller.

Yeah and a wheel with a lip will look smaller as well.


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[EGPhoto]

I bet the magic for Antsa's car is camber and fender roll - without the roll, i'll bet it would rub fairly significantly.

That said, it looks excellent - in fact it looks a lot like those cars with 20x10 et 40 - 43 without rolling.

im runninf 19x10 ET36 with 255 and i haven't rolled anything or added camber past what is added with the drop and i drive it every day without any issues aside from the occasional canyon in the road

[The.Wizard]

UOTE=EGPhoto;9762412]im runninf 19x10 ET36 with 255 and i haven't rolled anything or added camber past what is added with the drop and i drive it every day without any issues aside from the occasional canyon in the road[/QUOTE]

FWIW the easiest set ups on 20's are 255x30x9 ET 40 this would give a nice flush look wheel to fender and also allow some drop without rubbing and a very close rolling radius to OE.
The other I've been informed is 265x30x9 more suitable for folk who do not intend to lower but fill the arches a little more.

All depends on what you want to do and what look you're after really. These are just fuss free applications from speaking to wheel companies

[Esoteric]

Well then I don't know what to say :).

I've seen a few cars running 20x10 ET 42 and it didn't look like they had any room, but your setup is working, so clearly there must be room. What I would love is 265 on a 10 inch wheel, but up until recently, I thought this wasn't possible with even a fairly aggressive drop. Good to see there are setups that appear to make this possible. Then again, I don't even have my car anymore (stolen), so what do I know...

I will be checking out pics of your car though - sounds nice. Congrats.

im runninf 19x10 ET36 with 255 and i haven't rolled anything or added camber past what is added with the drop and i drive it every day without any issues aside from the occasional canyon in the road

[QuattroRocket]

Well then I don't know what to say :).

I've seen a few cars running 20x10 ET 42 and it didn't look like they had any room, but your setup is working, so clearly there must be room. What I would love is 265 on a 10 inch wheel, but up until recently, I thought this wasn't possible with even a fairly aggressive drop. Good to see there are setups that appear to make this possible. Then again, I don't even have my car anymore (stolen), so what do I know...

I will be checking out pics of your car though - sounds nice. Congrats.

Tire selection sucks at 265 but I am in a similiar delimna, I am looking at a 20x10 setup and my retailer is suggesting et45 which is pretty tight to the suspension although i did say I didnt want to poke. So paranoid that I will get everything here and mounted and they wont fit !

[Wavz]

Knowing what I do now the only change I would make is to go to a et40 instead of an et35. When I was purchasing my wheels Paul and I discussed this, but ultimately we decided to go with the et35.

I was looking for the look of Jeremy's car on Need4Speeds website. Being a conservative Mid-westerner I found with my setup there is no margin for error. My position may change the longer I drive the car with the current setup without any problems. Time will tell.


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[Wavz]

Ok I might show my ignorance here.....

I understand as the car is lowered you will get negative camber on the wheels to clear the fender. The part I can't figure out is in my opinion it shouldn't matter what ride height set my coilovers to produce this needed negative camber since as the suspension compresses the same effect will happen, is this correct?

I like the look of a slammed car, but I would rather have the bottom of my fender be inline with the top of my tire. I am being told I need to keep my ride height pretty low to get the camber adjustment I need to provide proper clearance. Thought?


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[riseabv]

Ok I might show my ignorance here.....

I understand as the car is lowered you will get negative camber on the wheels to clear the fender. The part I can't figure out is in my opinion it shouldn't matter what ride height set my coilovers to produce this needed negative camber since as the suspension compresses the same effect will happen, is this correct?

I like the look of a slammed car, but I would rather have the bottom of my fender be inline with the top of my tire. I am being told I need to keep my ride height pretty low to get the camber adjustment I need to provide proper clearance. Thought?


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They can raise your car up and need to adjust the toe and camber to run the desired look you need and require. If I was you I would take my car to a performance shop and have them maneuver everything necessary in order to achieve the desired look. Your Audi dealership is honestly capable of only handling so much and most have a hard enough time installing an aftermarket exhaust from my experiences. They don't need to fully compress your springs to achieve the camber you need to clear properly if that is your question.

[staticuxo]

Ok I might show my ignorance here.....

I understand as the car is lowered you will get negative camber on the wheels to clear the fender. The part I can't figure out is in my opinion it shouldn't matter what ride height set my coilovers to produce this needed negative camber since as the suspension compresses the same effect will happen, is this correct?

I like the look of a slammed car, but I would rather have the bottom of my fender be inline with the top of my tire. I am being told I need to keep my ride height pretty low to get the camber adjustment I need to provide proper clearance. Thought?


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You will need adjustable control arms then as there is no adjustment up front.

[Pworld]

Dealer? as in Dealership? The LAST PLACE i would take my car to for "fitment" advice. Especially on anything aggressive or cool.

The set up your talking about is not by the book. Im more amazed your trusting a dealership about aggressive fitment.

[riseabv]

You will need adjustable control arms then as there is no adjustment up front.

Thought he had uca's in his build thread? He's right tho...


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[Need4Speed]

Just another update.

the dealership was able to adjust accordingly as I advised them how to properly do the adjustments needed to make this unique setup work in their minds.

Zach was a champ and I am happy that they were able to adjust this setup accordingly to achieve Mr. Wavras desired setup.

After all said and done there were a few more adjustments needed such as the rebound on the KW V2 system as we opted to use a 245/35/20 instead of a 255/30/20 to provide a little more beef of a tire.

you do not need adjustable control arms for this setup.

as once you lower the car.

the front cambers naturally to achieve the setup

and the rear comes with camber bolts factory.