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    Wink Bilstein B12 Pro Kit - A Review

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    Okay, so there appear to be a number of these systems sold and installed, but very few reviews. My hope is to establish a thread around this great kit.

    First, the kit. The Bilstein B12 Pro Kit (# 46-183323) is a combination of Bilstein shocks and Eibach's pro kit for the Audi A4 (B8). The kit is custom assembled in Germany and takes 10-12 weeks for delivery, so plan ahead if you decide to go this route. I ended up going with purchasing all of the components separately, costing about $70 more than the kit itself. Cost of the kit varies, but Tirerack seems to have the most consistent lowest price - @ $1030, not including shipping.

    Second, fitment. The Bilstein kit comes with all components necessary for install from OEM setups, using all of the OEM fitments. If you already have a coilover set, you may have to buy a few pieces to fit the kit back in. As I upgraded from the ST coilover kit myself, I had about 8 pieces that had to be purchased, adding about $150 to the overall cost.

    Install. Well, this was a first for me, since I'm not much of a mechanic. But I had a great friend with all the necessary tools and a lot of BMW experience. So the Audi install was new to us both. A terrific guide to assisting the process was the ST install guide from the team at ECS Tuning (http://bd8ba3c866c8cbc330ab-7b26c6f3...horizontal.pdf). This was a great help to explain approaches to removing the ST system, with warnings on certain steps.

    I will say that if you have two sets of hands, removal of some components (like the tie rods and control arms) are unnecessary. That helped save a bit of time. Altogether, the full replacement took about 7 hours. We did find that you will want a lift for the rear suspension, as the entire shock needs to clear the lower control arm to swing into position. Our jack stands were about 6" too low for the minimum clearance.

    Also, if you are using the OEM bump stops, you will need to trim about 1.5" off of the rubber to fit onto the new Bilsteins as they are considerably lower than OEM setups.

    Tools. While most of you probably have the necessary tools handy, there are two things you will REALLY want. One is the Spindle Housing Spreader (pictured in step 9 of the PDF). Use of a screwdriver or other tool may damage the housing, so this $30 investment is worth every penny. The second is a good set of spring compressors. Obviously necessary in the front, but they were really handy in the rears as well to avoid dropping the rear subframe (again, another time saver and dropping the subframe really was unnecessary).

    Finally, the review. As I noted above, I was moving over from the ST coilover kit. After 3 years on the ST set, it had become far too harsh for daily driving, made metal crashing noises over extreme articulation turns, and was generally unpleasant. While I had purchased it to drop the OE (non-sport) suspension to something tolerable, the STs performed closer to track needs than daily driver. If I was going to keep the A4 (currently paid off) for much longer, something had to change. Bring on the Bilsteins!

    After the install, the ride was an immediate improvement. Literally, the difference between the two was night and day. While the STs felt closer to the ride in a Lotus (tight, but unforgiving), the Bilsteins soaked up every bump but progressively tightened in cornering. The Bilsteins load up in a very linear fashion, reinforcing driver confidence. The STs never seemed to have much to give. However, to the STs credit, I had them adjusted almost all the way to the top of their perches. Any lower proved to be difficult around town and near anything resembling a hole.

    Results. Well, the ST coils were near the top of their setup, so I had a road-to-wheel arch distance of 25.5 inches. After the Bilstein installment, the fronts are both 25.5" and the rears appear to be 25.75". I will update more once they settle a bit more. I will post pictures soon (either in this post or the replies).

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    John Rawson @ ProAm Auto Accessories (assembled the B12 kit from components for shipping and pricing)
    Scott Ramirez (fellow AZer who sent me the Audi suspension parts diagrams noting the OEM components needed and general help/advice)
    ECS Tuning (for the great install PDFs and the spreader tool)

    So, if you have experienced the B12 kit - speak up! Not many review it, although every shop I called sells them often and with good results.

    I would say that if you are looking for something that is lower than OEM (or OEM sport), but not as harsh as track day setups, this may be the kit for you. If you are looking to bottom out, obviously you will need something much lower.
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    Front Gap (ST set)


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    Nice! I have the B12 Sportline Kit and love the ride and drop, i bought mine for $700 shipped from ajusa.com.

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    Great review, where did you order yours from and how long did it take?
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    Car looks great man..what were the 150 dollar parts u needed? I currently have eibach PROKITS wanted just to buy the shocks .


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    Update with side shots for drop.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie-B8 View Post
    Great review, where did you order yours from and how long did it take?
    Got the kit from ProAm Auto Accessories.

    Boosted_b8.5 - Shoot me a PM with an email address. I will send you over the suspension diagrams with the OEM parts needed. However, if you have the springs already, don't you need the Bilstein shocks numbers? If you have OEM shocks on currently, you shouldn't need any new parts, just the Bilsteins.
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    Another note - I now have a set of stock suspension shocks (less than 10k miles on them), ST coilover set (about 20k miles on them), and HR Sport Springs available for sale or trade. I'm in Kansas City now, but moving to Seattle in June.
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    Thanks for the review. My thoughts are it comes right down to the shocks. I installed Bilstein in my Jeep Grand Cherokee, a BMW 3 series, and Mercedes E class. Unfortunately, when I went to get a suspension for my A4 B8.5, they only had the Koni shocks available. I still can't find Bilstiens, otherwise I would purchase those over Konis any day of the week. Do you have part numbers for the Struts and Shocks?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoppy6698 View Post
    Got the kit from ProAm Auto Accessories.

    Boosted_b8.5 - Shoot me a PM with an email address. I will send you over the suspension diagrams with the OEM parts needed. However, if you have the springs already, don't you need the Bilstein shocks numbers? If you have OEM shocks on currently, you shouldn't need any new parts, just the Bilsteins.
    Perfect u answered my question bro thank u ..I do have Oem shocks so I would just need to swap in the bilsteins and I'll be good..


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    Im using this setup as well. B12 pro kit, great choice! So far happy with it.






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    Quote Originally Posted by gsommerp View Post
    Thanks for the review. My thoughts are it comes right down to the shocks. I installed Bilstein in my Jeep Grand Cherokee, a BMW 3 series, and Mercedes E class. Unfortunately, when I went to get a suspension for my A4 B8.5, they only had the Koni shocks available. I still can't find Bilstiens, otherwise I would purchase those over Konis any day of the week. Do you have part numbers for the Struts and Shocks?
    check out my pics, I have B12 for B8.5 installed

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevflex View Post
    check out my pics, I have B12 for B8.5 installed
    Slick pics! I will try to take some nicer ones when weather clears. In my opinion, this is a perfect height for our cars though, with no sacrifice to ride feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsommerp View Post
    Do you have part numbers for the Struts and Shocks?
    From Tirerack:
    Fronts: Manufacturer Part #: 24-145985
    Rears: Manufacturer Part #: 24-145992
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevflex View Post
    Im using this setup as well. B12 pro kit, great choice! So far happy with it.







    This looks perfect!! Should have done my homework before purchase. Mine sits a little higher. I like the raked front end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevflex View Post
    Im using this setup as well. B12 pro kit, great choice! So far happy with it.






    man i love your modding style, can you tell me what is the part number for yoour Bilstein B12 pro kit, i already have the eibach springs.

    also if you can let me know where did you get your rear valence and those quad exhausts
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    Quote Originally Posted by osspasha View Post
    man i love your modding style, can you tell me what is the part number for yoour Bilstein B12 pro kit, i already have the eibach springs.

    also if you can let me know where did you get your rear valence and those quad exhausts
    Look a few posts back and that's a s4 from the looks of it and it comes stock with those parts.. If u would like ur car to look like that u just need to get the s4 rear bumper and quad tip valance and also buy a quad tip exhaust from either apr or awe or anyone else who makes one 4 our platform ..


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    Quote Originally Posted by osspasha View Post
    man i love your modding style, can you tell me what is the part number for yoour Bilstein B12 pro kit, i already have the eibach springs.

    also if you can let me know where did you get your rear valence and those quad exhausts
    From Tirerack:
    Fronts: Manufacturer Part #: 24-145985
    Rears: Manufacturer Part #: 24-145992
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boosted_b8.5 View Post
    Look a few posts back and that's a s4 from the looks of it and it comes stock with those parts.. If u would like ur car to look like that u just need to get the s4 rear bumper and quad tip valance and also buy a quad tip exhaust from either apr or awe or anyone else who makes one 4 our platform ..


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    its actually a regular A4 with sline package, unless he decided to remove all the s4 emblems including the ones on the gill. i like your mods too, love the blue plastidip
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsommerp View Post
    From Tirerack:
    Fronts: Manufacturer Part #: 24-145985
    Rears: Manufacturer Part #: 24-145992
    Thanks :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by osspasha View Post
    its actually a regular A4 with sline package, unless he decided to remove all the s4 emblems including the ones on the gill. i like your mods too, love the blue plastidip
    Hmm he did the mirrors too?

    And thanks bro..it's actually not plasti dip it's vinyl wrapped..but I appreciate it man.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kevflex View Post
    Im using this setup as well. B12 pro kit, great choice! So far happy with it.





    What size wheels are you running? Is your set up different than the OP? It just looks like your rear sits higher than his. Just wondering since this is most likely the setup I'm gonna go with when funds become available.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wabbit23 View Post
    What size wheels are you running? Is your set up different than the OP? It just looks like your rear sits higher than his. Just wondering since this is most likely the setup I'm gonna go with when funds become available.


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    Not sure what his wheel size is. However, mine will look a little different for two reasons - 1) the VMR offset makes the wheels sit more flush with the wheel wells, so I won't have the shadows that appear in his pictures, and 2) (not sure if this is as big, but ...) he has a B8.5, some wheel well flaring may add to the shadowing.

    All that to say - we should be sitting at approximately the same height in the back (assuming no excess weight is in his car), around 25.75" from floor to wheel arch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wabbit23 View Post
    What size wheels are you running? Is your set up different than the OP? It just looks like your rear sits higher than his. Just wondering since this is most likely the setup I'm gonna go with when funds become available.


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    I'm running with the replica wheels. 19*8.5J ET33 and 245/35/19 all around. Rear height should be the same as hoppy6698's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osspasha View Post
    man i love your modding style, can you tell me what is the part number for yoour Bilstein B12 pro kit, i already have the eibach springs.

    also if you can let me know where did you get your rear valence and those quad exhausts
    I dont have the part number right now, will check it later. My car is Chinese version A4L quattro with sline package. But I have modded it adding some S4 parts (interior and exterior)

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    Quote Originally Posted by osspasha View Post
    its actually a regular A4 with sline package, unless he decided to remove all the s4 emblems including the ones on the gill. i like your mods too, love the blue plastidip
    correct man, A4 quattro with sline package, but my car is Chinese version which is 50mm longer than normal A4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevflex View Post
    Im using this setup as well. B12 pro kit, great choice! So far happy with it.





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    I am loving this thread!. I am looking to upgrade my suspensionon my B7A4 and came accross this product for about 875$. I am running 19x8.5 VMR wheels and planning on adding 5/10mm spacers as well. Seems like this setup will give me just enough stance without causing me to rub. I live in NYC, so going very low is out the question lol. Anyone using it on a B7?

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    Anyone know if there is adjustalbily on the softness for the Bilstein shocks or is it set as is?

    Seems like B12 kit best option if not going the coilover route and want a DD ride.
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    I'm about to install this kit, coming from a stock non sport suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidkneeeeee View Post
    Anyone know if there is adjustalbily on the softness for the Bilstein shocks or is it set as is?

    Seems like B12 kit best option if not going the coilover route and want a DD ride.
    The Bilsteins are not adjustable. I thought they were a far better solution for lowering and improving ride vs. cheap coilover sets. I only had the ST coils, but was not impressed. The Bilsteins made the ride more enjoyable while still maintaining the handling I wanted.
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    Love the B12 Kit installed last night, perfect for DD, not too low not too high just right. Im coming from Non Sport Suspension which felt like a boat. Now i need Spacer, but don't want to rub. OEM Sline rims 255/35/19 et43 Conti DWS Tires any suggestions.

    -B12 Eibach Springs + Bilsteins Shock perfect combo
    -Ride is not harsh
    -I think if i had gone with H&R OE springs i would have got a reversed raked looked

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    Just out of curiosity, did you replace any nuts/bolts while performing the installation, or did you stick with all your existing, used hardware?
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    Does anyone have a recent source where the B12 shocks can be purchased without the springs? I'm seeing B8 model shocks, but I'm having a tough time finding B12s. I already have springs, so I don't need the full kit, but I'm looking to price these out.

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    The b12 kit is just B8 shocks with the eibach pro kit springs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProjectBlackout View Post
    Does anyone have a recent source where the B12 shocks can be purchased without the springs? I'm seeing B8 model shocks, but I'm having a tough time finding B12s. I already have springs, so I don't need the full kit, but I'm looking to price these out.

    Thanks!
    Ummm, wat?

    Im pretty sure those b8 model ones you see are the same ones in the kit lmao hell, even looking up the part number in the op first post from the shocks show that they are the same thing.

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    I'm guessing those stock shocks finally went?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick_B8 View Post
    Ummm, wat?

    Im pretty sure those b8 model ones you see are the same ones in the kit lmao hell, even looking up the part number in the op first post from the shocks show that they are the same thing.
    I see that the part number is the same, but given the good experiences with this kit I'd prefer to know for sure that they're the same before dropping the cash on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4ringnut View Post
    I'm guessing those stock shocks finally went?
    No idea. The ride is still fine but there's a creaking sound from the right rear somewhere, so I want to have this in my back pocket in case a shock is failing. The symptoms don't seem to align but if the shock is going I'd probably see if the dealer will install these. Car goes in Wednesday.
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    The dealer will charge you over a grand for the install. I would call around tuning shops to get it done.
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