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    Bad Power Steering Pump?

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    I've been noticing some noise when turning (and ever so slightly at idle). I tried bleeding the power steering system, but it had no effect. I'm assuming the pump is going bad? Anybody have any experience with this?

    Here's a video I took today:
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    You should also check that it's not this problem.

    Also, the power steering fluid is not really full unless on the dipstick the word "MAX" is completely submerged in fluid. If you only have the fluid filled to the Max line, then it's under-filled.

    What method did you use to bleed the fluid?
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    First check fluid level. It its up to the top of the MAX, then look and see if any of the hoses are cracked and letting air into system. If all looks well, then go ahead and replace the pump. There are great DIY's on here.

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    Would this be the same on the B7?? I found mine very low a couple months back........I went just to the line. I need to go to the top,of the MAX? Thanks.

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    This is a 1.8t BTW.

    The fluid is filled to MAX. I will double check the hoses tomorrow for cracks.

    @slickfix - I followed the procedure provided in the Chilton manual. I can't remember the steps exactly, but it involved removing the reservoir cap and cranking the steering wheel fully in each direction. Maybe I missed a step... Is there a bleeder valve somewhere that I'm not aware of?

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    There isn't a bleeder valve. I tried to bleed mine after replacing a hose, but before replacing the pump, and it wouldn't bleed. Once I put in the new pump, I had it bled in less than 5 minutes.

    My guess is that bad pumps do not circulate enough fluid to bleed the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cschuster View Post
    There isn't a bleeder valve. I tried to bleed mine after replacing a hose, but before replacing the pump, and it wouldn't bleed. Once I put in the new pump, I had it bled in less than 5 minutes.

    My guess is that bad pumps do not circulate enough fluid to bleed the system.
    Actually, faulty PS pumps usually suck air into the pump through a worn out oil seal. When this is the case the PS system cannot be purged of air.
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    You can also open the cap while the engine is running and see if there are tons of tiny little air bubbles in the fluid.
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    I inspected the hoses this morning and found that there seems to be a leak up underneath the battery compartment (by the firewall?, i'm not sure exactly how to describe it).

    The red line is coming directly from the pump (in front), and the blue line is the line from the reservoir that runs up in front of the radiator and back to the same place.

    I ran my hand along the lines, and as I got toward the back (up underneath), the blue line got increasingly gunky. I'm not sure what the thing labeled in green is (sorry if I'm a little bit ignorant about this). Could this have anything to do with it? I can't tell exactly where the leak is coming from - I couldn't get my hand far enough on the red line to know where is leads.

    Any thoughts?


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    I jacked up the front end this afternoon, and got a better look at things.

    Looks like the leak is coming from the power steering rack. There was also a loose clamp on one of the hoses that I replaced and re-bled the system (this did not fix the noise).

    I'm assuming that the culprit is the leaking rack.
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    Welcome to my world, sir. I just replaced the rack on my wife's Avant. It's not a fun job, but is DIYable if you've done some wrenching on your B6 before.

    Is there fluid dripping from one or both boots on the steering rack? If so, you for sure have a leaking rack. Here's the DIY for it. Note that you probably do not have a servotronic rack, like the S4 does in the DIY. Other than that, the DIY is spot on for us.

    Also, a good place to order a remanufactured rack is the rack doctor.
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    I've identified the location of the leak on the rack, but I'm uncertain what this is... It seems to be a plastic piece on the pinion housing. Does anybody know if this can be easily fixed? I've included a picture of a new rack for reference.




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    I don't know what the name of that bolt is. Might be the adjustment bolt for steering tension.

    Btw, how the hell did you get such a clear view of the bottom rack bolt? Do you have the 1.8 engine? Must be, because if you had a 3.0, there would be a huge CAT sitting in the way, blocking view and access to that bolt.
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    After doing some additional google searching, I found this thread: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth...ch-is-too-much

    It looks like that is the adjustment bolt for the steering rack, but what is the plastic/rubber piece in the center? Is it a drain plug?

    I found something similar here: http://www.amain.com/product_info.ph...Fa5DMgodRyIACA. But I can't find any Audi reference for this.

    Any steering rack experts out there? Any help is greatly appreciated.

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    Is that rubber piece where it's leaking from? You never did answer my question if there was fluid leaking out of the boots.
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    Sorry about that - I didn't see any leaking from the boots when I checked them initially. I will inspect them more closely when I get a chance, just to verify. I also did not see any bubbles in the reservoir when the engine was running.

    The leaking does seem to be coming from the rubber piece. If you look closely at the picture, you can see that the rubber piece of covered in fluid.

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    How fast is it leaking? You might get by with using a bottle of power steering fluid stop leak with something that small.

    When my rack was leaking, it would literally drain the reservoir within three miles.

    Getting back to your original pump noise...that's how mine sounded when I started bleeding it after the rack replacement. If it's still making noise like that when your fluid is maintaining a full level, and you're positive that there are no air bubbles in the fluid...it might be time for a new pump.

    But since your rack is leaking, and you replaced one of your hoses already, I'm still not convinced that the pump is shot.
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    I'll have to top off the fluid every month or so - so it's not too severe, I'm more concerned with the noise.

    Thanks for the suggestion, I'll pick up some stop leak and see if that takes care of it.

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    Let us know if the stop leak quiets the pump down. This thread may help someone else with a minor leak sometime down the road.
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    I discovered something interesting the other day - the driver's side boot on the steering rack is missing the clamp. I have no idea how I overlooked this before - I will pick up new clamp and get this put on.

    How detrimental is a missing boot clamp? It does look like there's been some leaking around this area.



    Also - I picked up some Lucas PS stop leak and used the majority of a bottle. I've had the stop leak in for a few days, and have bled the system twice since adding. Unfortunately the noise persists. I'm assuming the pump is bad, and that the noise is indeed coming from the pump. The more the accelerator pedal is depressed, the higher the pitch of the noise. I'm assuming this is because the speed of the pump increases or decreases depending on the speed of the serpentine belt?
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    To me, video in post #1 sounds like pump. When replacing low pressure suction hose, use improved clamps. Why Audi uses crap-style clamps that eat into and permanently damage hoses with a single use, I do not know. The improved-style clamps I speak of are either solid clamps, or clamps that have flared-out grooves.

    Maybe you could replace the reservoir, since it has a filter that loses effectiveness over time. A filter which, is not replaceable by itself. I believe the entire reservoir is ~$30. This isn't going to fix your steering issues, but I highly recommend it at your mileage.

    In picture 2, post 10, the thing labeled in green is a part of the steering rack. The hex head bolt on it is used to adjust pre-load/lash.

    The blue and red arrows point to the inlet and outlet hoses/banjo bolts.

    It appears to me that the P/S rack is leaking somewhere in that area, possibly spraying or dripping fluid onto everything. When my rack failed, and it leaked a TON from the drivers side boot, it caused zero noises.



    My low pressure P/S hose, which was falling apart @ 100k and had weak OEM clamps, caused a high pitched whale-mating-call-type sound. Tightening the clamps reduced the noise slightly. (low pressure hose: Clicky, applies to 3.0 but may or may not apply to 1.8T)

    Whereas my failing pump caused a lower, groaning/moaning type sound, with a faint metallic whirring noise. Steering load and RPM increase made it louder. It got the loudest at 1400RPM. . Similar to your video in post #1.


    I wonder if your leaking rubber piece (steering tension adjuster) is making noise. Maybe you could use a mechanic's stethoscope (or make one) on the pump?




    Leaking = rack failure.

    Solution: Buy new, rebuild, re-manufactured, or re-build it yourself. Or use stop-leak to hold you over until you can repair or replace it. Maybe there is a way to replace that one rubber piece at the pre-load adjuster - I do not know, but at your mileage, maybe other rubber pieces are failing, and maybe it's worth it to do the entire thing?


    Having the rack not clamped could have allowed contaminants to enter into the rack, and damage seals/contaminate it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ediehm
    The more the accelerator pedal is depressed, the higher the pitch of the noise. I'm assuming this is because the speed of the pump increases or decreases depending on the speed of the serpentine belt?
    Yes. I think so. This happened to me, until I replaced my pump. I could also hear noise directly coming from the pump with the car idling, hood open, and me standing in front of the car listening. I confirmed this when using a screwdriver as a stethoscope, placed on the pump.







    The current OEM-spec fluid is Pentosin CHF202, which is around $11/L. Maybe, you could do this?:

    -Replace or rebuild rack, replace banjo bolt crush washers with dealer aluminum ones, replace reservoir
    -Flush with fresh fluid

    If sound persists, see if its from the pump, or hose

    -Replace noisy part, such as pump, $20 pump hose, pump banjo bolt aluminum washers

    -Flush again


    Flushing is important to preventing contamination, and the manual advises to do so when installing new parts, such as a pump or rack.



    Note: I'm not a qualified mechanic or anything, just a DIY'er who had a similar experience on my 3.0 (pump failure, rack failure, low pressure hose failure, pump banjo bolt washer failure), so take my opinion with a grain of salt.

    From what I've experienced and seen on the forums, in all but one case, the only hoses that failed prior to 120k miles, are cheap, small, rubber hoses. Such was the case with my 3.0, where the low pressure $20, tiny, all-rubber hose failed, yet my heavier duty hoses continue working. Such as the high pressure hose, which is a few hundred bucks. I believe that hose is stronger and made to withstand higher pressure, and is partially metal.

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