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    Endless MX72 brake pads

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    I’m looking for a pad that can handle everything from commuting during the week to “spirited” canyon runs and a few casual track days just for fun. Since my main track vehicle is an S2000, the goal is to find a pad that works well enough to avoid having to swap pads for the few track days the car will see during the year. The problem is that the car doesn’t see enough track time to warrant running track pads full time, as they will trash the rotors faster than I really want. Plus, potentially noisy track pad aren’t what you want on the car if you’re taking your wife, girlfriend, boss or others out in your car. This leads me to stay with an aggressive street pad or “hybrid” pad (Ferodo DS2500 is probably the most recognized in the category), but there are very few hybrid compounds that have the potential of handling a good driver using the stock calipers on a racetrack.

    About Endless MX72
    Endless MX72 was one of the first compounds that came to mind when thinking of the best pad for this type of use. It is one of the most versatile compounds- essentially being a street pad that possesses some race pad characteristics. The description from Endless reads, “Ceramic is known to be one of the most vital and essential compounds which influence braking capacity. Every material has been carefully chosen for the MX72 in order to produce minimal noise and dust while producing high brake capacity during lower temperatures. Braking stability was also improved under higher temperatures while decreasing rotor wear. Pedal feel, which is typically great in semi-metallic material pads, was further improved upon.” Perhaps the best way to think of the Endless MX72 is a better Ferodo DS2500.

    On paper the MX72 compound shakes down like this:
    Usable temperature range 0-700*C (~1,300*F… Roughly the same MOT as Pagid RS29 endurance race pad!)
    Coefficient of friction ratings vary from manufacture to manufacture since there is no universal, consistent way to test but Endless publishes .37-.47 through its temp range, which is plenty even for aggressive street tires. This is very impressive for a street pad- Figure the average OEM pad has an MOT of roughly 700*F and a coefficient of friction around .35, that number drops dramatically when the pad is operating in the higher end of its temperature range.

    Who would benefit from Endless MX72?
    -Anyone who daily drives their car, tracks a few times per year and doesn’t want to swap pads for track days or have the drawbacks of track pads on the street
    -Anyone who thinks they might take the car to the track but doesn’t know if their current street pads would be up to the challenge.
    -Anyone who simply enjoys driving more aggressively on the street, on twisty canyon/mountain roads for example.
    -Anyone who is picky about the characteristics of their pads (strong but smooth initial bite, good midrange torque, modulation, release and pedal feel/feedback).
    -Anyone simply looking for a more aggressive pad that will still be civilized on the street and work flawlessly in the cold.

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    I looked into them more and talked to the director of Speed Freaks, LLC to see if it would be possible to get them in the pad shapes Audi uses on the B8 S4. The good news is they can have them made but the bad news is they aren't exactly cheap. I guess you have to pay to play. I was thinking about doing a group buy since they are phenomenal pads and it would be a great way to get the price down a bit but I’m not sure how many people would be interested. For those interested- list price on the pads is $370 per axle set, so $740 for the complete set plus shipping, taxes ect. Depending on how many people would want in we could get that down to roughly $650 or so shipped, maybe less.

    If you guys don't know much about Endless, they are a top tier pad manufacture who makes some of the best pads from super low dust street pads to some of the best sprint and endurance race pads known to man. Endless makes products that are used in pretty much every form of professional motorsport from WRC all the way to F1. They are starting to gain more popularity with European cars now that they are making their compounds more available. I know that in 2011 the top 5 cars that placed in the 24 hours of Nurburgring were using Endless ES88G and by 2013 40 cars were using Endless ES88G and ES99G over Pagid RS29 and PFC 08.

    I think its worth mentioning that these are the go-to pads for many Nissan GT-R owners, which says a lot since those cars are so brutal on brakes. I think its also relevant since they are similar to the A4/S4 and A5/S5 in that they are heavy, fast vehicles that demand great pads and the owners tend to be more picky about noise and dust from street pads. I think if a few Audi owners gave them a shot they would gain popularity quickly.

    Since this is more of a feeler thread please post up if you would be interested. Im placing an order in a week or so regardless if anyone else is interested or not, just wanted to present an opportunity for everyone to get a better price

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    Nobody else is even a little interested?

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    Not for those prices...sorry.

    Try the B8 A4 forums. I believe they use the same pads.
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    I would potentially be interested in the fronts only. What's your experience with putting high-performance pads in the front and stock or stock-like pads in the rear?
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    Has no one here heard of Carbotech?
    I've used their pads for the past 8 years on my VW's.
    I believe the website is ctbrakes.com and they're somewhere in the Carolinas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RendyR View Post
    Has no one here heard of Carbotech?
    I've used their pads for the past 8 years on my VW's.
    I believe the website is ctbrakes.com and they're somewhere in the Carolinas.
    +1

    I've been using Carbotech for 3 years now (street and track compound). Awesome brake pads. Email Mike Jr (contact on their site) for any questions. Very knowledgeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsYkHoTiK View Post
    +1

    I've been using Carbotech for 3 years now (street and track compound). Awesome brake pads. Email Mike Jr (contact on their site) for any questions. Very knowledgeable.
    What compounds have you been using for street?

    It looks like Carbotech 1521 maxes out at only 800 degrees F. They also have an AX6 compound which could be decent for aggressive street driving. The aggressive street compounds I keep seeing mentioned are Project Mu B-force, Ferodo DS2500 and Endless MX72. I haven't done much digging, but it seems like only the Ferodos are available for stock calipers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rs4dreams View Post
    What compounds have you been using for street?

    It looks like Carbotech 1521 maxes out at only 800 degrees F. They also have an AX6 compound which could be decent for aggressive street driving. The aggressive street compounds I keep seeing mentioned are Project Mu B-force, Ferodo DS2500 and Endless MX72. I haven't done much digging, but it seems like only the Ferodos are available for stock calipers?
    I use the 1521 for street. For the track, I use the RP2 and XP10 (front/rear).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rs4dreams View Post
    I would potentially be interested in the fronts only. What's your experience with putting high-performance pads in the front and stock or stock-like pads in the rear?
    I have done it many times on my S2000 on track when I ran out of my usual rear track compound. My S2000 uses solid rear rotors that get very hot on the track and the main reason I run a track compound back there is just because I need something that can work in those temp ranges. While the B8 S4 is a heavy car, it uses much larger, vented rear rotors capable of shedding a lot of excess heat and I don't see it being as much of an issue. Also, most modern ABS systems should be able to compensate well enough not to notice too much of a difference as long as the front compound is more aggressive. For mostly aggressive street use I have no doubts it would work very well. My vote would be for Stoptech Street performance if you want a cheap rear compound to pair with the MX72 up front since they are so linear and have a respectable temp range for a street pad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RendyR View Post
    Has no one here heard of Carbotech?
    I've used their pads for the past 8 years on my VW's.
    I believe the website is ctbrakes.com and they're somewhere in the Carolinas.
    I have used many different Carbotech compounds on my S2000. I like them but there are other pads that I prefer. I love that all their pad compounds are compatible so you can swap back and forth on the same set of rotors and they have a huge modulation range. But that excellent modulation comes at a cost- the pad materials CT uses are more compressible than most other (which makes them so easy to modulate) but they've have always felt more spongy to me when they get hot and there is a little less feedback than other pads Ive used. They also wear pretty quickly when overheated so its more important to have popper cooling when using them.

    In any case you can't track an S4 on their 1521 street compound or ax6 compound and while their XP series work well on the street, they are too loud for daily use. The whole point of this thread is to offer an option that people can use for everything (including track use for most people and tracks) and not have to swap pads before and after track use. MX72 are unarguably expensive but they should fill that void in the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rs4dreams View Post
    It looks like Carbotech 1521 maxes out at only 800 degrees F. They also have an AX6 compound which could be decent for aggressive street driving. The aggressive street compounds I keep seeing mentioned are Project Mu B-force, Ferodo DS2500 and Endless MX72. I haven't done much digging, but it seems like only the Ferodos are available for stock calipers?
    Project Mu B-Force aren't in the same league as a Ferodo DS2500, let alone MX72. Project Mu's competitor to the MX72 is the HC+ and HC+800 (same compound as HC+, just moulded in Thailand since labor is much less there than in Japan). You are correct- up until now the DS2500 has been the only one readily available for the stock A4/S4 A5/S5 calipers, which is why Im seeing if anyone else is interested before I have a set made.

    I tried to get the Project Mu HC+/HC+800 made since they should only cost ~60% of what the MX72 do, but Project Mu wasn't willing to play ball unless I ordered 25+ sets. Endless was willing to entertain the thought of ordering as little as one set here we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMisencik157 View Post
    ...I’m looking for a pad that can handle everything from commuting during the week to “spirited” canyon runs and a few casual track days just for fun...
    Looking for an everything/alla time pad is akin to looking for a Unicorn, IMHO.

    Further, whatever pad the supplier comes up with is inevitably going to be compromised at both ends of the usage spectrum. I would much rather spend the hour or so that it takes to swap pads before and after track driving and therefore KNOW that my brakes will be there when I need them than spend a lot of money on a compromise.

    The S4 is a FAST $50K+, 4000lb car - why risk damaging it on track trying to save a bit of time and effort?

    No offense intended, BTW - it's just not something I'd ever consider.

    One more comment: Coming from an S2000, you won't believe how quickly the S4 can overwhelm its brakes when driven aggressively on track. It's the literal OPPOSITE of a momentum car like the Honda.
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    I'm taking the track days out of the equation and simply trying to find the best performing pad (canyon runs, long downhill mountain roads, aggressive driving) that fits the stock calipers and still works well cold. Perhaps I'll just try the DS2500 and see how that feels (I'm sure much better than stock) before springing for something even more expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post
    Looking for an everything/alla time pad is akin to looking for a Unicorn, IMHO.

    Further, whatever pad the supplier comes up with is inevitably going to be compromised at both ends of the usage spectrum. I would much rather spend the hour or so that it takes to swap pads before and after track driving and therefore KNOW that my brakes will be there when I need them than spend a lot of money on a compromise.

    The S4 is a FAST $50K+, 4000lb car - why risk damaging it on track trying to save a bit of time and effort?

    No offense intended, BTW - it's just not something I'd ever consider.

    One more comment: Coming from an S2000, you won't believe how quickly the S4 can overwhelm its brakes when driven aggressively on track. It's the literal OPPOSITE of a momentum car like the Honda.
    I agree with you about the unicorn thing. When I started tracking I used DS2500- they worked well until I started getting faster. At that point I just decided to run dedicated track pads and swap back and forth. Eventually I started tracking so often that I just left whatever track pads I was using in the calipers full time, even for daily driving in between events.

    Every single pad in the world is a compromise. Street pads work well on the street but you compromise performance with low heat tolerance, typically lower friction coefficients and feel. Track pads work well on a track but you compromise street use with high dust and noise levels and the life of rotors. Yes, hybrid pads compromise on both ends but the point is that they can do everything for most people. As with everything in life, some things are better than others. I know theres hybrid pads out there that aren't very good on the street and not good enough on track to overcome being so mediocre on the street. The MX72 is one of the best compounds for its purpose and its proven itself to be a leader in the segment on a car that abuses brakes more than the S4 (GT-R). On the street its only compromise seems to be dust. I don't know how bad the OEM pads are with dust since the car was purchased with aftermarket pads but the GT-R guys are claiming less dust than their OEM pads so it doesn't sound terrible and its a small price to pay if they work like I think they will.

    I don't take offense to that at all- you're right. Any experienced track day driver who takes their car to the track a lot should know to run full track pads when going to the track. These pads are not for them, an Endless ME20, N35S, MA45B or ES88G would be a more appropriate pad from the brand. However, these pads should work very well for anyone running in a beginner or intermediate group for a casual track day a couple times per year. They are also perfect for putting around town or driving aggressively on a twisty road. Anyone looking at a Ferodo DS2500, EBC Yellow, or other hybrid pad should also consider these. As far as being dangerous on track- they have the same MOT as a Pagid RS29 (~1300*F) so you aren't much more likely to put your car into a wall because your brakes faded with these than you are with an RS29… I wouldn't worry about the danger factor. These cars give you a lot of warning that your brakes are overheating and loosing friction. If someone seriously put their car into a wall because they kept ignoring the gradual fade that takes place well before the pads completely give up, thats not the pads fault, thats just Darwinism trying to work its magic.

    I have tracked the S4 before. On the shitty EBC Redstuff pads that the previous owner had and I couldn't do a single flying lap without the brakes starting to fade. Thats what sparked this whole thing in the first place. It won't see enough track time for me to want to run track pads full time and I don't feel like swapping pads every time it goes to the track, so Im trying to find a compound that works well on the street and well enough on the track maybe twice a year. It may not work how I think it will, but it sure looks like it will on paper.

    The S2000 may be more of a momentum car than an S4 but its still a fast car with grossly undersized brakes from the factory (same rotors, pads, calipers as a civic si and Acura RSX) and there are tracks that are hard on brakes regardless of it being a momentum car or not (Laguna Seca comes to mind).
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    Quote Originally Posted by rs4dreams View Post
    I'm taking the track days out of the equation and simply trying to find the best performing pad (canyon runs, long downhill mountain roads, aggressive driving) that fits the stock calipers and still works well cold. Perhaps I'll just try the DS2500 and see how that feels (I'm sure much better than stock) before springing for something even more expensive.
    DS2500 will be certainly be an improvement over stock and a solid choice for your use.

    You could always try MX72 up front with something else in the rear (stoptech street or even DS2500) for cost reasons. The pricing you would get if you wanted a front set now would be within $80 of what you'll pay for front DS2500s. Just a little food for thought.

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    The trigger was pulled on a full set of Endless MX72 pads, GiroDisc 2-piece fully floating front rotors and Endless RF-650 brake fluid. The lead time was a little crazy since they did not exist and had to be specially made in this compound for the pad shapes and then shipped from Japan. They finally arrived… well fronts, anyway. This is what I have received so far:


    Ideally I would have waited for the rear pads and rotors to arrive so I could swap in everything and flush the fluid all at once. Unfortunately, the car came with some rotors (I won't mention the brand) that couldn't hold up to anything more than easy street driving- they started cracking after just one track session out at Thunderhill raceway earlier this year. The cracks then continued to propagate until it finally cracked all the way through after some "spirited" on some of the back roads closest to my home. This meant I was forced to swap in the new front rotors and pads immediately after receiving them. I didn't really mind since I saw it as an opportunity to get a feel for the new pads (since the fronts do most of the work) and to see how the balance is with the OEM pads in the rear. It will also give me a chance to see how much they dust compared to the OEM pads (I could care less about dust but others may find it a point of interest).

    Everything fit perfectly do the install went smoothly and quickly. The rears could be more of a pain with the electronic parking brake but I'm sure it'll be alright. Here are A couple photos I took as I went along :

    The old setup.


    Endless MX72 pads ready for install. They came in some really nice packaging and the pads themselves were well protected in foam and bubble wrap for shipping- you could huck these out of an airplane and they would be just fine.


    Caliper carrier and caliper off ready to remove the old rotor.


    I know this is a thread about pads but man are these rotors beautiful in person. This is the backside of the rotor which shows the anti rattle springs used to make a fully floating rotor silent on the street when its cold. I chose GiroDisc because they are the only fully floating 2-piece for the S4 and I know the metallurgy and everything else was actually engineered for track use so its more than just a pretty rotor.



    All buttoned up with the new rotor on and new pads installed. I was getting excited to go drive the car at this point


    The old rotor that couldn't. It had several of these larger cracks on different parts of the face. Another example of why cheap drilled rotors are just for show.


    Initial impressions are great- in short they deliver on everything promised. I went out for a bed-in cycle right after finishing with the installation and was happy with friction levels and feel just driving to the road where I normally go to bed brakes. Being a seasoned track driver with a lot of experience testing and using all sorts of different compounds, I knew get even better after a cycle or two and these were no exception. After the second bed-in cycle they really came alive. Later that night (~11:45pm) I took the car out to my favorite local road to give the pads a good shakedown and get an idea how how they feel when hot and how much abuse they can take. This is the same road that I cracked the old rotors on and was able to get the EBC Redstuff pads to fade within the first 90-120 seconds of hard use… if that gives you any idea of my definition of "spirited" . The road usually takes ~6-7 minutes to get from one end to the other if you're really moving. It really is hard on brakes because there is little time for things to cool between corners, especially on the downhill sections.

    The pads held up great and I was unable to get them to fade on this road which is very surprising to me since these are technically street pads. Exactly how much was the cooler running GiroDisc rotors is hard to say but I do know that I am impressed by this brake setup so far. The balance still seems fine even with the OEM pads in the rear, although I think it will benefit from using a more aggressive compound in the rear to better match the increased friction levels from the front MX72 (Ideally another set of MX72 if you don't mind spending the money). This is encouraging for people who want to save some money and just run the front MX72 with a less expensive rear compound like Ferodo DS2500 or Stoptech Street. These pads aren't cheap with a retail price of $370 per axle set but if you can afford them and care about spirited driving and brake feel then they are absolutely worth it, IMHO. I have used several other pads that compete in this category (Ferodo DS2500, Stoptech Street, Porterfield R4-S and a few of EBC's compounds but these are in a completely different league. The initial bite is strong (very strong for a street pad) , yet smooth and easily controllable. Cold bite is very good but you can feel friction levels rise a little with temperature. Once warmed up they remain very stable through their temperature range (I'll see if I can find a dyno plot to confirm this). They are a very linear pad and as a result they have excellent modulation and release characteristics. In all honesty they feel like a slightly diluted race pad since the characteristics are so similar but are delivered in a slightly more mild manner. These are officially labeled as street pads but I don't doubt they could be used as track pads without issue on lighter cars using street tires. I can also comfortably say that these would work well for beginner to intermediate level drivers doing HPDE events in their S4.

    I'll make sure I do a track day with the car once the rear rotors and pads show up to give some proper track abuse and follow up with some feedback. I will also continue to update this thread from time to time as I gain more experience with these and to answer any questions others may have.

    One last picture to show what they look like after the bed in cycles and a back road beating. As you can see there are no pad deposits or evidence of pad smearing that the EBCs and so many other street pads do when you really put a lot of heat into the brakes. Just a nice even transfer layer to show the pads are right at home being used like this

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    Thanks for the write up, lots of good info in here. I just purchased some MX72 front pads and Endless RF-650 brake fluid and plan to try this set up at the track soon. I will be on stock rotors this time, hopefully they can dissipate the heat fast enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSport// View Post
    Thanks for the write up, lots of good info in here. I just purchased some MX72 front pads and Endless RF-650 brake fluid and plan to try this set up at the track soon. I will be on stock rotors this time, hopefully they can dissipate the heat fast enough.
    Of course! I'm actually really happy to hear someone else is going to try these. Please be sure to update with your impressions. I truly believe that once people start trying these, they will become one of the go-to options for pads since they cover such a broad range of drivers and their needs. Even on the stock rotors it could be a good idea to remove the dust shields to help shed some heat a little quicker. Either way it should still be alright since the pads have a pretty high max operating temp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMisencik157 View Post
    Of course! I'm actually really happy to hear someone else is going to try these. Please be sure to update with your impressions. I truly believe that once people start trying these, they will become one of the go-to options for pads since they cover such a broad range of drivers and their needs. Even on the stock rotors it could be a good idea to remove the dust shields to help shed some heat a little quicker. Either way it should still be alright since the pads have a pretty high max operating temp.
    Definitely interested in these. Just picked up my s4 earlier this year and am interested in a few track days here and there. These sound like a great alternative to a BBK. Will probably invest in a set of pads and rotors for next spring. Feel free to post an update after you have a few more track days under your belt.

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    I posted this in the other thread but I thought I would add this here to keep everything in one place. I did a few laps in the S4 at Sonoma Raceway this weekend to test them on a track and the pads worked beautifully at a pace in the 1:56 range. I only did a hand full of laps but the friction levels remained good and stable the entire time and modulation was still excellent as the pads got hot. The fluid will give up before these pads do. On the street they have been silent and dust about 25% as much as the OEM pads. Try them, you will not be let down. If for whatever reason they aren't doing it for you then you can always try something else when they wear out.

    I have been tracking and racing cars for a couple years now. I have a good amount of experience with all sorts of different track and street compounds. I am well aware that there is no "unicorn" pad out there that does everything for everyone perfectly, BUT I believe these are hands down the closest thing you'll come to it of all the compounds on the market today and they are aimed exactly at what I believe to be the majority of S4 owners (aggressive street pad that can handle some track use, but doesn't compromise at all on street manners)

    I am happy that there is some interest in these now and feel confident that everyone who tries them will see positive results. I will be doing a more thorough track review sometime this winter and look forward to to hearing others impressions!

    I know Speed Freaks, LLC ordered a few more sets to keep on hand so people who want to try them don't have to wait a long time to get them like I did.

    I didn't have time to set the GoPro up in the S4 this time but here are some laps from Sonoma I did in my S2000 to give you an idea of how the S4 was driven…

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMisencik157 View Post
    I posted this in the other thread but I thought I would add this here to keep everything in one place...
    With all due respect, this post (and all your posts re: Endless) read like extended advertisements.

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    So far, I have been very happy with the Stoptech pads that came with my ST-60 (380mm) BBK and rear Stoptech rotor, pads and SS brake-lines. I believe they are in the 1400* range and have had no problems on the street...including dust!! But these will be my next pad for sure!! I had Endless pads on my Nissan Maxima (170mph Silver State Classic car) and they were incredible!! Even though the Maxima was only around 3100lbs (lightened), the pads were awesome and more pad than needed!! Should be awesome on our close to 4000lbs cars!! Like said before, expensive yes, but you do get what you pay for!!

    And PS....I am not connected with Endless in any way and I love them!! Just saying!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VADERS4 View Post
    So far, I have been very happy with the Stoptech pads that came with my ST-60 (380mm) BBK and rear Stoptech rotor, pads and SS brake-lines. I believe they are in the 1400* range and have had no problems on the street...including dust!! But these will be my next pad for sure!! I had Endless pads on my Nissan Maxima (170mph Silver State Classic car) and they were incredible!! Even though the Maxima was only around 3100lbs (lightened), the pads were awesome and more pad than needed!! Should be awesome on our close to 4000lbs cars!! Like said before, expensive yes, but you do get what you pay for!!

    And PS....I am not connected with Endless in any way and I love them!! Just saying!!
    Did your ST-60 kit come with Street Performance pads (309) or the new R32 compound?

    Was considering them for next round...$275 for front set.

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    Can you use the wear sensor with these pads?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shizzrock View Post
    Can you use the wear sensor with these pads?
    Honestly, if you are tracking your car, I wouldn't rely on the wear sensor for much of anything. It can easily melt if you get your brakes up to track temp (not sure if this throws a code or you never know when they actually wear out) and become effectively worthless as a gauge. Plus, you should be checking pad thickness constantly just like tire pressure or tread wear (my tire wear is pretty bad ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zcd2.7t View Post
    With all due respect, this post (and all your posts re: Endless) read like extended advertisements.

    What connection do you have with Endless?

    Haha I guess in a way they kind of are advertisements, right? I found a product that I love- it fits my needs (which I know are very similar to many others on here) perfectly and I'm really excited about it. I guess I just want to share these with other people. Nobody else is using these and I am trying to push more people to try them because I think they are fantastic pads. These pads are pretty fucking expensive and I wanted to do detailed reviews to help give anyone who cares ALL of my impressions and other relevant information on them. If I just said to you, "they are good pads… spend 2-3x more on these vs another hybrid pad" I don't think I would be getting my point across or get anyone else as excited enough to feel the need to spend the extra money to give these a shot. All Im trying to do is spread the word and give people another option for pads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shizzrock View Post
    Can you use the wear sensor with these pads?
    Yes you can use the sensor with these if you like, although I agree with what drob23 had to say regarding this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drob23 View Post
    Honestly, if you are tracking your car, I wouldn't rely on the wear sensor for much of anything. It can easily melt if you get your brakes up to track temp (not sure if this throws a code or you never know when they actually wear out) and become effectively worthless as a gauge. Plus, you should be checking pad thickness constantly just like tire pressure or tread wear (my tire wear is pretty bad ).

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    I hear you, I'm gonna be shopping for tires sooner than I thought. Off topic, but did the Apikol make a difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMisencik157 View Post
    Haha...
    Haha - you didn't answer my question....

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    Based on your review I think I am going to try this exact setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSport// View Post
    Thanks for the write up, lots of good info in here. I just purchased some MX72 front pads and Endless RF-650 brake fluid and plan to try this set up at the track soon. I will be on stock rotors this time, hopefully they can dissipate the heat fast enough.
    My pads arrived, once the brake fluid gets here I'll proceed with the install.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMisencik157 View Post
    Of course! I'm actually really happy to hear someone else is going to try these. Please be sure to update with your impressions. I truly believe that once people start trying these, they will become one of the go-to options for pads since they cover such a broad range of drivers and their needs. Even on the stock rotors it could be a good idea to remove the dust shields to help shed some heat a little quicker. Either way it should still be alright since the pads have a pretty high max operating temp.
    I'll definitely post my impressions once I've been to the track, really hopeful these will hold up. The group I go out with usually does four 20-25 minute sessions per day and two-day Saturday/Sunday events, if these can handle the heat without fading too bad I'll be quite happy and run them all the time. Of note, my current plan is to go to events between September and May and spare my car the summer heat (opposite season down in Texas). I've tracked in June twice and while it was fun, it sure was hot.

    Still deciding on the dust shield, this is 95% my daily driver so not sure I want to remove them for that reason (I probably wouldn't put them back on between events).
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSport// View Post
    I'll definitely post my impressions once I've been to the track, really hopeful these will hold up. The group I go out with usually does four 20-25 minute sessions per day and two-day Saturday/Sunday events, if these can handle the heat without fading too bad I'll be quite happy and run them all the time. Of note, my current plan is to go to events between September and May and spare my car the summer heat (opposite season down in Texas). I've tracked in June twice and while it was fun, it sure was hot.

    Still deciding on the dust shield, this is 95% my daily driver so not sure I want to remove them for that reason (I probably wouldn't put them back on between events).
    Any idea when you're heading to the track next? Also I'm curious about what run group you usually run in? Depending on how much track time your car sees and how aggressive on brakes you are, you could also try the more aggressive ME20 compound on the front axle for the next set if you felt like you wanted more for whatever reason. I'm sure they dust a little more and have a higher chance of making noise but they are a full blown track/race compound with an even higher maximum operating temp and overall friction levels.

    I will run through these MX72s and then may try the ME20 (at least up front) depending if the amount of track time the car sees increases. So far the MX72 seem to be wearing well but with a lot of track use I'm sure the ME20 would last longer. As of now I have no incentive to move from the MX72, they are working perfectly for the amount of aggressive use the car is currently seeing and their street manners couldn't be better. I guess it's just a little food for thought :)

    As far as the dust shields- I don't think they are really that necessary, just make sure you wrap the ball joints in some heat reflective tape or foil since they will see a lot more heat with the shields off. I pulled the dust shields off on the S4 and the S2000 and haven't seen anything but better cooling. The S4 is driven 20-25k street miles per year, too. Just my $.02

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    I bedded them in on the street and am definitely pleased with their similar to stock street behavior. A little squeaking when they were still hot after bedding but once they cooled, not a peep. I drove around with my windows down for a bit also and didn't notice any more noise than stock, this would be impossible with a purely track pad so I'm very happy there. The pedal feel is about the same as stock as well. Good deal on the street, next test is the track in two weeks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MMisencik157 View Post
    Any idea when you're heading to the track next? Also I'm curious about what run group you usually run in? Depending on how much track time your car sees and how aggressive on brakes you are, you could also try the more aggressive ME20 compound on the front axle for the next set if you felt like you wanted more for whatever reason. I'm sure they dust a little more and have a higher chance of making noise but they are a full blown track/race compound with an even higher maximum operating temp and overall friction levels.

    I will run through these MX72s and then may try the ME20 (at least up front) depending if the amount of track time the car sees increases. So far the MX72 seem to be wearing well but with a lot of track use I'm sure the ME20 would last longer. As of now I have no incentive to move from the MX72, they are working perfectly for the amount of aggressive use the car is currently seeing and their street manners couldn't be better. I guess it's just a little food for thought :)

    As far as the dust shields- I don't think they are really that necessary, just make sure you wrap the ball joints in some heat reflective tape or foil since they will see a lot more heat with the shields off. I pulled the dust shields off on the S4 and the S2000 and haven't seen anything but better cooling. The S4 is driven 20-25k street miles per year, too. Just my $.02
    Thanks for the info, I will keep the ME20's in mind for next year. Also, I did leave the dust shields in for now, we'll see if I change my mind later.

    To answer your question on run groups, I'm solo qualified in the second of four possible run groups at a few different tracks. Then I probably make it to the track 3-4 times per year right now. With two young kids at home that's about all I have time for and a good balance I think.

    I like to do track prep myself as I tend to trust the car more that way. I'm hopeful this setup or advanced versions of it will allow me to work on my car one day a year to address pads, rotors, and brake fluid. Noble aspiration, let's see if it works out. I do trust the dealer to do oil changes and just had my first one done recently, they put in Mobil 1, 0w40, European car formula, for me by request for a little extra.

    Thanks again for the info, I'm looking forward to testing this setup out in two weeks time.
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    I just talked to the guys at Speed Freaks and they have a set of Front and Rear MX72 for the B8 S4 in stock on the shelf right now. Usually there is a 60 day warranty waiting period!

    You can thank my wife because she decided not to track her car anymore so we canceled our order.


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    How bad is the brake dust with these pads compared to stock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSport// View Post
    Pads and fluid are in:
    I bedded them in on the street and am definitely pleased with their similar to stock street behavior. A little squeaking when they were still hot after bedding but once they cooled, not a peep. I drove around with my windows down for a bit also and didn't notice any more noise than stock, this would be impossible with a purely track pad so I'm very happy there. The pedal feel is about the same as stock as well. Good deal on the street, next test is the track in two weeks!
    You will be very pleased with this fluid. I still have a couple bottles on my shelf at the shop and try and leave that option open for people that want performance at a cost of course but it really is a top notch fluid and unlike Castrol it will not drop off quickly throughout the season requiring new fluid to be pushed through the system with a flush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by integroid View Post
    How bad is the brake dust with these pads compared to stock?
    They definitely dust less than stock but I'm not sure how much less. I do have the 5-arm-rotor wheels in a titanium finish so that may be masking some of the dust also.
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